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He's right. When the countries are so large, internal problems are much bigger issues.

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i think the us deciding to grant MFN trade status to china is THE most significant event in helping the poor there, cos where the us went, the rest followed.

its easy to erase the fact tens of millions died up till then from ccp mismanagement.

to paint the results as a 

 

Yes that's very true.

 

If the US did not open their markets to China millions in China would have staved to death.

 

And that is why the ongoing trade war shows how unfair China are to the US.

 

US opened their markets to China but China refuse to open their markets to the US.

 

:D

 

So now everyone can see Trump is right to fight the trade war.

 

Another point that everyone knows so little is the US mistaken thinking that if 

China gets economic success they will have democracy.

 

This is wrong and the total opposite.

 

Economic success stops China from becoming democratic.

CCP stance is you have jobs and money you let us rule forever.

 

US are sometimes so silly.

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Iâm very sure you know they are not using the system they used back then.

No one uses the same system that they inherited.

Leninist principled communism was inherited and modified by Vietnam and China. Even north Korea had to modify it in the 1990s and 2000s.

 

Fact is that the implacable resolve of the communists was what was able to unify Vietnam and China. Not western democratic or puppet regimes or warlord regimes.

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It is debatable whether China is really a communist country.

 

In a communist country the state feeds you.

 

In China you don't work you don't eat.

 

That's free market capitalism.

 

China is a like free market capitalist country controlled by an all powerful paramount leader.

 

:D

Singapore Model?

 

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Without the communists, Vietnam may still be a French colony today. Who knows.

Certainly without ccp, China would be vastly different today. Given how bad things were under kmt.

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i think the us deciding to grant MFN trade status to china is THE most significant event in helping the poor there, cos where the us went, the rest followed.

its easy to erase the fact tens of millions died up till then from ccp mismanagement.

to paint the results as a great sole ccp achievement is like the ccp claiming credit beating the imperial japanese army in ww2.

10 million died.

Massacre by US

 

Why?

Food embargo.

见死不救.

Not written in western history.

China survived.

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What is certain is that communist principles of handling the economy are just inherently flawed.

Capitalism has principles more rooted in reality.

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10 million died.

Massacre by US

 

Why?

Food embargo.

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Not written in western history.

China survived.

Usa did not recognise ccp rule of China until 1972 with Richard nixon visit.

 

Similarly even though they fought Chinese soldiers in NK, China had no official presence in the ceasefire and armistice agreements in 1953.

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i think the us deciding to grant MFN trade status to china is THE most significant event in helping the poor there, cos where the us went, the rest followed.

its easy to erase the fact tens of millions died up till then from ccp mismanagement.

to paint the results as a great sole ccp achievement is like the ccp claiming credit beating the imperial japanese army in ww2.

Actually it was germany and probably japan one of the first few entrants to china market and production. After seeing how successful these companies, usa and sg also follow suit.

 

Thats how businessmen works, where money made they will be there.

10 million died.

Massacre by US

 

Why?

Food embargo.

è§æ­»ä¸æ.

Not written in western history.

China survived.

More like great famine

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What is certain is that communist principles of handling the economy are just inherently flawed.

Capitalism has principles more rooted in reality.

 

This is also not true.

 

85% of housing in Singapore built by the government.

 

In a totally free Capitalist system 0% of housing would be built by the government because they would be very inefficient at it. 

 

In fact in a Capitaist system if the gov built the housing they would totally screw it up because they are not using price mechanism.

 

In a totally free Capitalist system there would be 0% government hospitals. They would screw it up because they would not be using price mechanism.

 

In a totally free Capitalist system there would be 0% government schools.

 

In a totally free Capitalist system there would be 0% public roads as it would all be private road.

 

In a totally free Capitalist system COE would be controlled by a private company and I would certainly buy a lot of shares in this private company.

 

A lot of shares.

 

:D

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Though I totally understand how HK ppl feel about their current problems, but I do feel they need to be pragmatic.

 

Let's summarise their current issues:

1. Extradition

2. Housing prices and ownership

3. Govt structure (they can't even vote their own leaders)

4. Lack of job opportunities

5. Lack of trust in China

 

How different they wan hk to be from China? Not possible.

 

So they need to "swallow" their situation. They can raise their voices and just pray hard that China hear them.

 

Those really not happy, better to migrate.

When i look at the 5 itmes, this are my tske.

 

1) what is the issue? They want to to protect criminals and they don't sign with anyone else? If they don't trust china, then they are china. So they have to get out.

 

2) housing problem. Is inherited and it is for them to solve. You mean china prevent them from solve this? 

 

3) so they prefer Shanghai,  Beijing or xiamen?

 

4) they have more than Singapore.  They can go to china which we don't.  Is this due to china or their own? These rioters even want to use Cantonese,  so would their chance be better? These riots now totally shut them out from the world other than England. I won't employ them here.

 

5) did they ask who trust them, HKers? They are not chinese, not even British or American. So, they are?

 

Better think properly lah

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Actually it was germany and probably japan one of the first few entrants to china market and production. After seeing how successful these companies, usa and sg also follow suit.

 

Thats how businessmen works, where money made they will be there.

More like great famine

In the early 90s my first trip there. All the Audi 100 and 200 model. The main luxury car there.

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Actually it was germany and probably japan one of the first few entrants to china market and production. After seeing how successful these companies, usa and sg also follow suit.

 

Thats how businessmen works, where money made they will be there.

More like great famine

 

The early entrance into just opened China Market are SEA, and HK businessman.

 

Ppl like Robert Kuok, Dhanin and Lee Ka Shing.

 

China is grateful to LKY for continuing to support its economy after Tiananmen Sq Incident.

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Actually it was germany and probably japan one of the first few entrants to china market and production. After seeing how successful these companies, usa and sg also follow suit.

 

Thats how businessmen works, where money made they will be there.

More like great famine

In the early days, VW and Audi are common become German went in. Today everyone wants a piece and those who lost out got jealousy and want to provide their own interest.  This is nothing new.

 

Unfortunately,  the way the west played the game is very smelly. Don't use high and mighty moral principle when you play dirty games. Karmic will befall on you as your next generations follow your footsteps.  This has proven and that is how our society evolves.

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In the early 90s my first trip there. All the Audi 100 and 200 model. The main luxury car there.

 

Hearsay, Mercedes was invited to build car in China.  But Merc don't want.

 

End up, VW build Santana in Shanghai with SAIC.

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In the early 90s my first trip there. All the Audi 100 and 200 model. The main luxury car there.

VAG first car to open plant in china

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When i look at the 5 itmes, this are my tske.

 

1) what is the issue? They want to to protect criminals and they don't sign with anyone else? If they don't trust china, then they are china. So they have to get out.

 

2) housing problem. Is inherited and it is for them to solve. You mean china prevent them from solve this? 

 

3) so they prefer Shanghai,  Beijing or xiamen?

 

4) they have more than Singapore.  They can go to china which we don't.  Is this due to china or their own? These rioters even want to use Cantonese,  so would their chance be better? These riots now totally shut them out from the world other than England. I won't employ them here.

 

5) did they ask who trust them, HKers? They are not chinese, not even British or American. So, they are?

 

Better think properly lah

 

1. All extradiction request to judicial system which is lower than HK.  For eg, any extradiction request to Philippines will be rejected (by court).  Since China judicial system is lower than HK.

 

2. Rather than solving HK housing problem, China worsen it by allowing PRC migrate to HK.

 

3. Universal suffrage is provided under Basic Law.

 

4. Not everyone want to work overseas.  Similar situation might hit Singapore.

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