Hong Kong protesters demonstrate against extradition bill

[mersaylee]

7 hours ago, Jman888 said:

honesty I watched the whole video ......

 

 

 

 

 

 

to wait for the girl to turn her head, but she didn't  😠

bandwidth saved...

thanks

[Scion]

5 hours ago, Wt_know said:

getting worst by day

everyone is executer and judge ... take things on their hand

they decide mtr and bus should go or stop...

 

reminds me of Gotham City in Dark Knight Rises movie 😲

 

[Sdf4786k]

5 hours ago, Wt_know said:

getting worst by day

everyone is executer and judge ... take things on their hand

they decide mtr and bus should go or stop...

I believe Central Govt and HK has already mentioned that once remove/annul the extradition treaty, there should no longer have a valid reason to protest.

I imagine a worst-case scenario soon by china if there still are violent protest.

 

[Sdf4786k]

 

 

 

 

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34 minutes ago, Victor68 said:

This interview reflects something singaporeans can understand and visualise if we continue the same direction.  However, he didn't consider why and how they came to this stage which didn't happen overnight.  So, what is required to change? Via riots? Run to the west and let some fellow HKers shed blood? All these actions will further push HK down in my opinion. By working with china, they have a future singapore will envy because we don't have the same.

Not sure. But this article seems to also have one country 2 system idea long time back.

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/singapore-could-have-become-one-country-two-systems-within-malaysia-not-sovereign-country

Fifty years ago today, our future was uncertain. We didn't know it then, but on January 26 1965, the Singapore Cabinet debated a paper that Mr Lee Kuan Yew had written on possible constitutional re-arrangements in Malaysia.

1964 had been tense: the People's Action Party had decided to contest the Malaysian General Election in April 1964, but won only one seat among the nine it contested in Peninsula Malaysia. In July 1964, and again in September, Singapore exploded in race riots, killing a total of 36 people and injuring 560. Singapore and Kuala Lumpur clashed repeatedly, in the Federal Parliament, in the media and on the ground.

Singapore saw no economic advantage in merger - the reason why we joined Malaysia in the first place, believing a small island state could not survive without a hinterland. For example, the Economic Development Board had to seek permission from Kuala Lumpur to award pioneer certificates to prospective investors here, entitling them to tax-free status for five to 10 years. In the two years we were in Malaysia, only two out of 69 such applications were approved, and one came with so many restrictions it amounted to a rejection.

[inlinesix]

2 minutes ago, Sdf4786k said:

I believe Central Govt and HK has already mentioned that once remove/annul the extradition treaty, there should no longer have a valid reason to protest.

I imagine a worst-case scenario soon by china if there still are violent protest.

 

As I mentioned many time, even pro-Beijing Legco members is calling for setting up of independent commission.

There are deep distrust btw Beijing and HK. Both sides have to earn each other’s trust 

[Sdf4786k]

5 minutes ago, Davidtch said:

As I mentioned many time, even pro-Beijing Legco members is calling for setting up of independent commission.

There are deep distrust btw Beijing and HK. Both sides have to earn each other’s trust 

meanwhile, while our econmy is now entering the technical recession.. looks like malaysia is doing extremely well since last year or so..

https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/How-Malaysia-can-save-Singapore-from-itself2

Mahathir Mohamad wasted no time reminding Singapore why it was happy to see the back of him in 2003.

Just 74 days into his second stint as prime minister, Mahathir is challenging a high-speed rail link between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore. He is threatening to charge the city-state more for water. He is demanding renegotiation of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a regional trade pact that includes Singapore.

But might Singapore's economy end up thanking Mahathir? Because if any government needs a jolt, it is Singapore's.

 

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong was already in office for five years when Malaysia's Najib Razak took power in 2009 and Lee remains entrenched today. Najib spent nine years wrecking his country's image before voters entrusted Mahathir to repair the damage. Amid questions about $4.5 billion missing from the 1MDB state fund and waning competitiveness, voters showed Najib the door and Mahathir has since arrested his one-time protege.

Now comes World Bank data showing Malaysia is on the cusp of regaining its gross domestic product lead over Singapore.

Admittedly, such comparisons can be superficial. Ask the average Japanese about China's GDP leaving Tokyo's in the dust and they will refer you to per capita income levels four-and-half times Beijing's.

But two caveats add drama to the contest between Malaysia and Singapore. In 2015, Singapore, population 5.6 million, rejoiced over surpassing Malaysia, population 32 million. It was drenched in national pride, coming around the time Lee Kuan Yew died -- a crowning achievement for the father of Singapore. And Malaysia is not so much gaining as Singapore is treading water in terms of development.

According to World Bank numbers, Malaysian output hit $314.5 billion in 2017, just $9.4 billion below Singapore's $323.9 billion. That gap is likely to narrow further, as Malaysia's projected 5.5% growth exceeds Singapore's projected 3.1%.

Malaysia, to be sure, is no economic role model. That voters tossed out Najib's Barisan Nasional coalition marks great progress. It is heartening that Mahathir's Pakatan Harapan coalition is bringing Najib to justice with lightning speed. And it is certainly great that Mahathir is acting transparently. The Najib government's questionable economic data made Beijing statisticians blush. Mahathir's administration is shining light on the true state of Malaysia's finances, regardless of the consequences in the financial markets.

Yet Malaysia's rot was many decades in the making. Though headline GDP growth looked decent, the fruits went to ethnic Malays benefiting from affirmative action policies dating back to 1971, a decade before Mahathir's first stint as leader began. Policies disadvantaging Chinese and Indian minorities impeded innovation and productivity. They fed corruption and enabled tiny Singapore to overtake Malaysia easily in terms of GDP.

Mahathir's successors, Abdullah Ahmad Badawi and Najib, both pledged to end the economic apartheid which turned off foreign investors, only to deepen the policy. That leaves Mahathir, 92, with the tall -- and awkward -- task of reinventing a system he helped create.

That is why Malaysia could be the catalyst Singapore needs at a pivotal moment.

The fallout from Donald Trump's trade war is bearing down on Singapore's export-reliant and manufacturing-heavy economy. Non-oil domestic exports ground to a halt in June --- growing 1.1% versus 15.5% in May. Electronic equipment shipments have now fallen for seven consecutive months as U.S. President Donald Trump's tariffs slow demand from China, Japan and Europe.

Singapore's abrupt slowdown highlights how little progress Lee's government has made in transforming the economy into an innovative powerhouse. In essence, Lee has been caught napping by sticking with too many of the policies his father employed from 1959 to 1990.

To be sure, there were many efforts to encourage innovation and copious talk about shifting to higher-value-added industries. Those efforts, unfortunately, lacked focus, scale and audacity.

In 2010, the government launched several efforts to boost expenditure on research and development to generate a startup boom. Yet it moved slowly to curb the outsized role of government-linked companies. It trod carefully on tax incentives and grants to entrepreneurs across vital sectors -- biotechnology, energy, logistics, software.

In Lee Kuan Yew's day, growth relied on attracting ever-increasing flows of foreign talent. For Lee the younger, it is about getting more out of the population Singapore has now. Singapore is experiencing its own immigration backlash at both ends of society. Some locals chafe at expat bankers bidding up property prices, others complain about low-skilled labor depressing wages.

Today's Singapore needs to be more about ideas and invention than about producing physical goods. One priority: ensuring the education system gives priority to critical thinking over rote learning. If Singapore wants to encourage greater risk-taking, it also must build new social safety nets to catch those who do not succeed.

Singapore must rely less on a slowing China and tap growth in Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam and, of course, Malaysia. Southeast Asia's burgeoning middle-class consumer sector is a ready market into which Singaporean startups can sell their wares. Another priority should be helping smaller companies gain access to joint ventures in Europe, a region anxious for closer coordination with Southeast Asia.

Mahathir's return ups the pressure. Again, Malaysia must do herculean amounts of heavy lifting to raise its own game. But his focus on retooling the economy could generate a healthy rivalry, not just for Lee's government but for several throughout the region.

The message from Mahathir in his second stint as prime minister to Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines, Prayut Chan-o-cha of Thailand and other leaders whittling away at democratic norms is to beware the wrath of your people. The signal to Indonesia's Joko Widodo is that nothing good comes from tolerating economic nationalism.

To Vietnam's Nguyen Xuan Phuc, it is about the dangers of tightening the noose around the media. To Cambodia's Hun Sen, it is the futility of decimating opposition forces. And to Lee's Singapore, it is the costs of complacency in what is essentially a one-party state.

Singapore's economic success is as impressive as ever. Even with zero natural resources, its per capita income is $58,000 to Malaysia's roughly $10,000. And Malaysia has enviable stores of petroleum, natural gas, palm oil, timber and other deposits like the water supplies it sells to Lee's nation.

Yet decades after beating the middle-income trap, Singapore is having a midlife economic crisis. Wages are stagnant, inequality is rising and the population is aging rapidly. At the same time, fierce competition from China, India, and Indonesia make Singapore an expensive property in a cheap neighborhood. The only way to grow incomes is to create new wealth, not to try to compete on price.

Lee's government must take bold and creative steps to increase productivity and entrepreneurship. With tax incentives and regulatory tweaks, it can empower millennials with an idea and a dream to disrupt the model Lee's father built.

Steps in March to raise the goods and services tax and stamp duties on property to finance social-welfare spending were constructive. But it is time Singapore manufactured a more dynamic and innovative future --- one that relies less on factories and more on the natural resource it does have: a smart and determined workforce.

The sudden burst of reformist energy in Malaysia could make Mahathir an unlikely ally in that enterprise.

[t0y0ta]

7 minutes ago, Sdf4786k said:

meanwhile, while our econmy is now entering the technical recession.. looks like malaysia is doing extremely well since last year or so..

https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/How-Malaysia-can-save-Singapore-from-itself2

Mahathir Mohamad wasted no time reminding Singapore why it was happy to see the back of him in 2003.

Just 74 days into his second stint as prime minister, Mahathir is challenging a high-speed rail link between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore. He is threatening to charge the city-state more for water. He is demanding renegotiation of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a regional trade pact that includes Singapore.

But might Singapore's economy end up thanking Mahathir? Because if any government needs a jolt, it is Singapore's.

 

The sudden burst of reformist energy in Malaysia could make Mahathir an unlikely ally in that enterprise.

If you look at the current Malaysia politics, back to sama-sama.

100% Race & religion politics

100% TunM versus Anwar back-stabbing

100% gay videos creation and distribution

100% Malay rights versus ungrateful Chinese

100% trying to corner big projects for TunM family and his kakis

 

In terms of economics, will be sama-sama also. the current regime are basically outcasts from UMNO ; their pattern and Najib is the exact same.

This Jap-based journalist is writing from his ivory tower, obviously don't know the ground.

 

[Thaiyotakamli]

4 hours ago, Davidtch said:

As I mentioned many time, even pro-Beijing Legco members is calling for setting up of independent commission.

There are deep distrust btw Beijing and HK. Both sides have to earn each other’s trust 

When it comes to law enforcement,  there are so much conspiracy theories by the rioters. But when it comes to what the rioters have done, it is always justified by "because our demands (and the demand list grows) are not met."

[Thaiyotakamli]

Fire so small

 

next time burn hk ifc tower better, sure feel more song

 

[Wt_know]

that’s carnival fire

hk every weekend got road closure carnival

huat ah!

[Boringchap]

Yes, the night of 6 Sep (Friday), the protestors were out on the streets creating havoc again.  I read they started the fire using some bin to slow down riot police.  See this.

 

 

That's not all, they were like laying seige to the Mongkok Police station, until Riot Police reinforcements were called in.

 

And all this while, got expats watching the fun, after having their dinner somewhere near Mongkok.

 

[Ysc3]

start em young !!

 

[Ysc3]

7 hours ago, Boringchap said:

And all this while, got expats watching the fun, after having their dinner somewhere near Mongkok.

 

with all this crap going down in HKG ... i really wonder why there are still "expats" going there ....maybe for "work" ?

[inlinesix]

8 hours ago, Thaiyotakamli said:

When it comes to law enforcement,  there are so much conspiracy theories by the rioters. But when it comes to what the rioters have done, it is always justified by "because our demands (and the demand list grows) are not met."

There are 2 groups of "rioter".  Which group are you talking about?

Mind you, even Michael Tien is asking for Indepedent Commission.

[Sx4falcon]

Those are not fires started by rioters. Those are belated 7th month offering. The Gate at HK closed later this year in support of the protest movement. 

[Sdf4786k]

It’s like the old days of union strike

[Wt_know]

3 hours ago, Ysc3 said:

with all this crap going down in HKG ... i really wonder why there are still "expats" going there ....maybe for "work" ?

look at these expats .... they are there for fun ...lol

[Victor68]

The idea of Singapore merger with malaysia is good but not feasible. Our situation is very different from that of HK although we have many similarities. In my opinion,  HK is in a much better position if they know how to max their situation and not influence by the wrong people.