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a government that are chooses to be oblivious to her citizen safety/view.

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Were news censored ? Were journalists arrested ? Were witnesses murdered ?

 

New Orleans Police Officers Plead Guilty in Shooting of Civilians

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/21/us/hurricane-katrina-new-orleans-danziger-bridge-shootings.html

 

Troops told 'shoot to kill' in New Orleans

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2005-09-02/troops-told-shoot-to-kill-in-new-orleans/2094678

 

Those whom insist that China is ruthless in handling these riots , should go read up what the USA did when faced with such issues ....

https://www.wwno.org/post/katrina-files-arkansas-army-national-guard-and-shoot-kill-order

USA still dare to talk so much about China human rights abuses Lor ....

 

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Those whom insist that China is ruthless in handling these riots , should go read up what the USA did when faced with such issues ....

 

https://www.wwno.org/post/katrina-files-arkansas-army-national-guard-and-shoot-kill-order

 

USA still dare to talk so much about China human rights abuses Lor ....

if human right so big and protest got use.

 

barcelona independent already .

 

hk had too much freedom for their own good.

 

try doing the same stuff and see how the police treat u ,

 

i think hk police already being very nice compare to other place.

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during their first umbrella movement all came unprepared. They were treated with baton, canon water jet, pepper spray, smoke grenade.

 

 

I don't think anyone here wishes singapore to be like Hong Kong now. we have empathy and support the hK children does not mean we want such event to happen in Singapore.

 

They aren't children lah. They are university students or around that age group.

 

From time immemorial, these are the people most easily stoked up by protest organisers.

Seldom see uncles like us at the frontline  [laugh]

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Can cancel meh? Don't need travel advisory to be issued first?

 

 

why cannot cancel? why need travel advisory to be issued first? 

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if government do listen to the people..I mean 1 million on the street such event won't happened.

 

like what I have said yesterday night this time round not organiser. Mid night 2am plus to 3am plus most protest sites cleared.

 

10.30 am HK parliament debate will reopen. as if now admiralty station still close though. only allow to board no alighting.

 

a government that are oblivious to her citizen safety/view.

 

They listen ... to the mainland people  [laugh]

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They aren't children lah. They are university students or around that age group.

 

From time immemorial, these are the people most easily stoked up by protest organisers.

Seldom see uncles like us at the frontline  [laugh]

from what I read, unlike the brollie this time round not just students but adults, professional bodies and businesses too.

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why cannot cancel? why need travel advisory to be issued first? 

 

I think without travel advisory, cannot get "free" cancellation or flight change date.

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they are just kids.

poor children.

 

 

if they know they are kids, they sld not have gotten involved in the first place. 

 

one has to take responsibilities of ones action, being a kid doesnt give one a passport to "unlawful" action.  

 

There are  kids in middle east carry weapons, if they start shooting at you, what will be your thoughts? 

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why cannot cancel? why need travel advisory to be issued first? 

 

claim insurance lor...

 

people with no $ like me will have to consider all this.

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from what I read, unlike the brollie this time round not just students but adults, professional bodies and businesses too.

 

The protest earlier had more adults. The outside LegCo one, from media reports, i thought is mostly youngsters.

Of course, this is media representation from my cursory viewing.

if they know they are kids, they sld not have gotten involved in the first place. 

 

one has to take responsibilities of ones action, being a kid doesnt give one a passport to "unlawful" action.  

 

There are  kids in middle east carry weapons, if they start shooting at you, what will be your thoughts? 

 

aiyah, can understand their frustration.

So many people come out protest, still adminstration don't give two hoots.

What to do ... pah/hoot lor....  [laugh]

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Its really funny, if you read the law, its very reasonable and correct.

Why are the people protesting?

Its hilarious, its actually oppo PRC governance in disguise.

What the PRC CCCP needs to do is to satisfy the ethnic belief in able to conduct Justice.

 

Shan maybe can become foreign talent in China....

 

 

Beijing should listen to this and how short their trust level is.

 

 

They should name it the Bao Qing Tian Law.

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I think without travel advisory, cannot get "free" cancellation or flight change date.

 

 

a few years back ( i think was 2 years ago), my daughter was suppose to go to Bali for a school exchange program. 2 weeks before departure, there was a volcano eruption nearby and the situation there became unclear. The airport did not shut down, but many frights were cancelled. 

 

There was no travel advisory given, and nobody knew was the trip going to be cancelled. 1 week before the trip and there was still no updates, and I told her, "you are not going" and I explained to her the possible situation and how dangerous it could be, and I am not prepared to send her into unknown danger.  She accepted my order, not willingly and not very happy of course. 

 

I wrote an email to the teacher in change, pull her out and forget about the fee. 

 

No money can buy the safety of my love ones. I can live with losing some money, but I cannot afford the inconvenience and worrying of her safety if she really goes, not to mentioned the thought of she getting stuck there for months or ending up not coming back. 

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if they know they are kids, they sld not have gotten involved in the first place. 

 

one has to take responsibilities of ones action, being a kid doesnt give one a passport to "unlawful" action.  

 

There are  kids in middle east carry weapons, if they start shooting at you, what will be your thoughts? 

 

Come out to protest doesn't mean they are violent. 

 

Sometimes violence can be from false flags. Who knows who planted the fellows that throw the first bricks?

 

Could be China, USA or even Singapore?

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claim insurance lor...

 

people with no $ like me will have to consider all this.

 

 

so no travel advisory given you will go ahead knowing the danger? 

 

you dont make decision for your own safety? 

 

If you cannot forgo that money and need to claim insurance against making a decision on your own safety, you sld not even have bought that ticket in the first place. So dont use no money as an excuse. 

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I feel that the extradition bill is overly politicize.  If there is no such bill, I can kill someone in Macau, Taiwan or China and just go to Hongkong to hide. Its a safe haven there because the Hongkong Police cannot arrest me and I can live happily ever after there.

 

Large protest most of the time will end in violent one as there are always troublemaker in the protest.

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so no travel advisory given you will go ahead knowing the danger? 

 

you dont make decision for your own safety? 

 

If you cannot forgo that money and need to claim insurance against making a decision on your own safety, you sld not even have bought that ticket in the first place. So dont use no money as an excuse. 

 

Need to weigh the decision based on actual risk.

 

If my hotel is right smack in the middle of the protests, I will book a new one somewhere else. But if I am staying at disneyland, then the risk is still acceptable.

 

To me, HK trip might cost 2k for sunk costs. I might lose a day or 2's sleep over it but no big deal. But what about the fellow who saved up to bring his family on their first overseas trip? It's easy to say one should prioritize safety over money when they already have money.

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I feel that the extradition bill is overly politicize. If there is no such bill, I can kill someone in Macau, Taiwan or China and just go to Hongkong to hide. Its a safe haven there because the Hongkong Police cannot arrest me and I can live happily ever after there.

 

Large protest most of the time will end in violent one as there are always troublemaker in the protest.

the other side of the coin anyone critical of CCP can be extradited to China. already a book publisher was secretly arrested taken and imprisoned in China. This bill will make it even more "user friendly" for CCP to exert their authority.

 

HK has no such extradition arrangement for decades. why now such a rush to push it through. the Taiwan murder case? the Taiwanese already back down from asking HK extraditing that HK murderer suspect. HKer call it a firewall protecting HK against china influences. a financial hub. HK will turn into another province of China. the business coummunity and law society all against this bill.

 

 

our very own cna report. quite professional reporting imo.

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I feel that the extradition bill is overly politicize.  If there is no such bill, I can kill someone in Macau, Taiwan or China and just go to Hongkong to hide. Its a safe haven there because the Hongkong Police cannot arrest me and I can live happily ever after there.

 

Large protest most of the time will end in violent one as there are always troublemaker in the protest.

 

But is there extradition treaty between Singapore and China?

 

So someone can kill in China and come Singapore to live like a king? Any diff?

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I feel that the extradition bill is overly politicize.  If there is no such bill, I can kill someone in Macau, Taiwan or China and just go to Hongkong to hide. Its a safe haven there because the Hongkong Police cannot arrest me and I can live happily ever after there.

 

Large protest most of the time will end in violent one as there are always troublemaker in the protest.

 

Lol. U think the people care about the criminals?

How many percent of any developed city's population are actually criminals? Maybe 2-3% tops? 

Would that garner 1 million people.

 

Yes it's political. But politics are moving into civilian life. In china, political control and civilian life are intertwined.

 

 

 

It explicitly allows extraditions from Hong Kong to greater China - including the mainland, Taiwan and Macau - for the first time, closing what Hong Kong government officials have repeatedly described as a "loophole" that they claim has allowed the city to become a haven for criminals from the mainland.

Hong Kong's leader would start and finally approve an extradition following a request from a foreign jurisdiction but only after court hearings, including any possible appeals. However, the bill removes Legislative Council oversight of extradition arrangements.

Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/explainer-why-proposed-changes-to-hong-kong-s-extradition-law-11620610

 

 

The people are protesting specifically this part. So the PRC can haul up any HK citizen that is deemed to have committed a crime in their territory.

Imagine if your hot-headed son is one of the protestors throwing bricks. Anytime he steps into mainland china, he can be blamed for some imaginary crime and hauled back to mainland china even if he's doing his stuff in HK non-aware of what "crime" he committed.

As a parent, would you want something like this to happen?

Seriously, anyone who takes this at face value is naive. Haha I could probably sell him the air he/she breathes in.

Hongkongers are definitely not naive.

 

 

 

 

They also insist broad safeguards mean that anyone at risk of political or religious persecution or who faces torture will not be extradited. Likewise, no one who faces the death penalty will be extradited. China denies accusations of human rights abuses.

Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/explainer-why-proposed-changes-to-hong-kong-s-extradition-law-11620610

 

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They aren't children lah. They are university students or around that age group.

 

From time immemorial, these are the people most easily stoked up by protest organisers.

Seldom see uncles like us at the frontline  [laugh]

 

 

yah, i can comprehend this totally. 

 

I was involved in a few fights at that age, and mostly gotten out of hand because  blood boil fast, and once start boiling really tough to cool down.  The last fight was in NS, I almost killed the fellow with an ET stick had the other guys not stopped me in time, big regret of my life. 

 

Even now, I try not to listen to fast music when I drive, because it gets the blood flow alot faster and sometimes can get into attack mode. 

 

If the atmosphere is right, i think uncles also will cheong !!!  [:p]  [laugh]  [laugh]

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Lol. U think the people care about the criminals?

How many percent of any developed city's population are actually criminals? Maybe 2-3% tops?

Would that garner 1 million people.

 

Yes it's political. But politics are moving into civilian life. In china, political control and civilian life are intertwined.

 

 

 

 

The people are protesting specifically this part. So the PRC can haul up any HK citizen that is deemed to have committed a crime in their territory.

Imagine if your hot-headed son is one of the protestors throwing bricks. Anytime he steps into mainland china, he can be blamed for some imaginary crime and hauled back to mainland china even if he's doing his stuff in HK non-aware of what "crime" he committed.

As a parent, would you want something like this to happen?

 

Seriously, anyone who takes this at face value is naive. Haha I could probably sell him the air he/she breathes in.

Hongkongers are definitely not naive.

can't praise you yet. nod Nod... Edited by Kopites

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yah, i can comprehend this totally. 

 

I was involved in a few fights at that age, and mostly gotten out of hand because  blood boil fast, and once start boiling really tough to cool down.  The last fight was in NS, I almost killed the fellow with an ET stick had the other guys not stopped me in time, big regret of my life. 

 

Even now, I try not to listen to fast music when I drive, because it gets the blood flow alot faster and sometimes can get into attack mode. 

 

If the atmosphere is right, i think uncles also will cheong !!!  [:p]  [laugh]  [laugh]

 

The prefrontal cortex that inhibits your impulsive or more instinctive thoughts is not fully developed until mid 20s.

But of course, you can train it in your child to be stronger. 

But hot blood is hot blood 

can't praise you yet. nod Nod...

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Come out to protest doesn't mean they are violent. 

 

Sometimes violence can be from false flags. Who knows who planted the fellows that throw the first bricks?

 

Could be China, USA or even Singapore?

 

 

Did I mention they were violent? 

 

Did i mention they throw the bricks?

 

How most protests started and ended can be found freely on the internet and newspapers ( if you trust any newspaper). If you decide  to step out and protest, be prepared to face the outcome, whatever that may be, men, women, young, old equally. 

 

If you protest, you are a protester. 

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