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The pettiness of our sports committee is going to cost us medals for Singapore. How can we have this type of people in the selecting committee, who put their own 'buay songness" above the glory of Singapore? 

 

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/athletics-shock-as-two-time-marathon-champion-soh-rui-yong-is-not-selected-for-sea-games

 

"In the case of the nomination put forward by Singapore Athletics (SA) for Soh Rui Yong's participation at the 2019 SEA Games, the selection committee has decided to reject SA's nomination.

 

 

SINGAPORE - Team Singapore is set to send its biggest overseas contingent for the Nov 30 to Dec 11 SEA Games in the Philippines - but two-time marathon champion Soh Rui Yong will not be on the plane to Manila.

The 27-year-old runner, who was responsible for 50 per cent of track and field's gold haul at the 2017 Games, was not among the 585 athletes in 49 sports that were listed in a media statement released by the Singapore National Olympic Council (SNOC) on Thursday (Aug 1) night.

The national Olympic body said: "The SNOC selection committee has deliberated carefully all nominations put forward by the NSAs (national sports associations) for their athletes for the upcoming SEA Games.

"In the case of the nomination put forward by Singapore Athletics (SA) for Soh Rui Yong's participation at the 2019 SEA Games, the selection committee has decided to reject SA's nomination.

"Since the 2017 SEA Games, there have been numerous instances where Soh has displayed conduct that falls short of the standards of attitude and behaviour that the SNOC expects of and holds its athletes to, considering that they are held up and seen as representatives of the country and as examples to our sporting youth.

"As such, the SNOC has decided to reject SA's nomination for his national representation at the 2019 SEA Games."

 
 

While these instances were not specifically listed, the SNOC and Soh have clashed on a number of occasions.

 

Ahead of the 2017 SEA Games in Kuala Lumpur, the athlete was given a formal warning by the SNOC over a breach of regulations regarding the promotion of personal sponsors on social media during the biennial Games.

He had also cut holes in his race vest before his victorious race in Kuala Lumpur, and reportedly upset sponsor 2XU, which terminated its sponsorship of Singapore Athletics four months later.

And in April this year, the SNOC served Soh a legal letter demanding that he publicly retract allegations against fellow marathoner Ashley Liew over an act of sportsmanship at the 2015 SEA Games. The SNOC had nominated Liew for an international award for this act.

Soh had also criticised the organisation on social media several times this year over its backing of Liew. On June 19, he had written: "The Singapore National Olympic Council should be ashamed at themselves for failing conduct a proper investigation of truth, and choosing rather to only speak with witnesses from one side in order to back up what they want to believe."

The selection committee was chaired by SNOC president Tan Chuan-Jin and comprised vice-presidents Jessie Phua and Milan Kwee; treasurer Edwin Lee; Manila Games chef de mission Juliana Seow; sepak takraw president Abdul Halim Kader, badminton president Lawrence Leow; Sport Singapore chief Lim Teck Yin, SNOC athletes' commission chairman Mark Chay, and Tan Chen Kee from the Ministry of Education. The last three are co-opted members.

Soh told The Straits Times on Thursday night: "I'm disappointed that SNOC president Tan Chuan-Jin and his team have chosen to behave in such a petty manner. This is akin to primary school playground politics where kids go, 'I don't friend you already!' just because you say something they don't like.

"I consider winning medals for my country at SEA Games to be a national service. Since I no longer am bound to this duty, I look forward to exploring my potential at other marathons I've always wanted to race at, such as the Boston Marathon.

"I wish all my athletics team-mates all the best of luck in Manila and will be rooting for them always."

In March, Soh clocked 2hr 23min 42sec at the Seoul Marathon to rewrite the national record which had stood since 1995.

The time comfortably cleared the qualifying benchmark of the third-place result at the previous SEA Games, which was 2:31:52, and is also understood to be the second-best time in 2019 clocked by a South-east Asian marathoner.

New Zealand-born Thai runner Tony Payne holds the best time this season, with a 2:20:54 clocked at the Riga Marathon in Latvia in May.

Chay, who chairs the Athlete's Commission, said: "Athletes have rights, but with those rights come responsibilities. These include representing the sport, community and our nation with certain values, which include adhering to the athletes' code of coduct.

"At the last SEA Games, Rui Yong didn't do this... (and) his actions and comments had consequences."

SA president Tang Weng Fei echoed this view, saying: "I am a little surprised by this news, but not entirely because there was always this possibility because of the controversy he has been in.

"At the end of the day, an athlete's selection is based not just on performance, but how you represent the sport as well.

"I will need to discuss with Malik (Syed Abdul Malik Aljunied, executive director) and (vice-president of training and selection Ang) Peng Siong before we go through any appeal process."

Soh, however, said he had no intention of lodging an appeal, saying: "I don't wish to waste more time on unreasonable people at SNOC."

 

 

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Good call on Ang Peng Siong to nominate Soh for the SEA Games regardless of politics. That’s courage!!! But SNOC’s pride is more important than sending the best athlete. Period.

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What national glory?

 

So what if he runs fast? 

 

 

 

"At the end of the day, an athlete's selection is based not just on performance, but how you represent the sport as well.

 

No one believes in this anymore?

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It's like employee have a big argue with big boss. There is dispute on how company direction is going. The big boss thinking, I set the company rules and direction. How dare you small employee dares challenge me? The employee still around, but when there is future promotion, pay rise, bonus and etc. This employee will be the one losing out.

 

Sort of this line. So once the bridge is burnt, no point staying. So for Soh rui Yong case, the bridge is burnt. So yeah...

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What national glory?

 

So what if he runs fast? 

 

 

No one believes in this anymore?

That's SNOC excuse. Have to follow the the why he clash. He didn't behave inappropriately during any competition, sportmenship is present. He only clash with the committee decision. And ya, I don't believe in SNOC excuse.

It's like employee have a big argue with big boss. There is dispute on how company direction is going. The big boss thinking, I set the company rules and direction. How dare you small employee dares challenge me? The employee still around, but when there is future promotion, pay rise, bonus and etc. This employee will be the one losing out.

 

Sort of this line. So once the bridge is burnt, no point staying. So for Soh rui Yong case, the bridge is burnt. So yeah...

Problem is the boss or share holders is the whole of Singapore. The one making the decision is the middle management acting out on their own interest rather than the share holders. They decide to suspend a proven 'productive' employee becoz of his clash with them. Whether this employee broke any company's rule, it's still debatable. 

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Everywhere same lah, you a bit vocal and boss will never like you even if you can work blindfolded.

 

Haiz! [:|]

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I like this guy. He's a straight shooter, much like myself in my first job [laugh] Then later I learned office politics a.k.a. teamwork and getting along is also very important. And only then the advancement comes.

 

He needs to grow up and realize that behaviour like that won't be tolerated unless he is a real world class athlete, and even then. Even Schooling don't have that kind of attitude, with a greater level of achievement.

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Everywhere same lah, you a bit vocal and boss will never like you even if you can work blindfolded.

 

Haiz! [:|]

Ya lor. That's why we human got feelings. So want to be 100% objective but then human to human relationship is a very complex thing. Can't excape one.

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typical pettiness of those armchair a$$holes at the top.  It is no wonder we are way below in sports.

 

WEll, so be it!  

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Errr...who's he?

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I like this guy. He's a straight shooter, much like myself in my first job [laugh] Then later I learned office politics a.k.a. teamwork and getting along is also very important. And only then the advancement comes.

 

He needs to grow up and realize that behaviour like that won't be tolerated unless he is a real world class athlete, and even then. Even Schooling don't have that kind of attitude, with a greater level of achievement.

Agree. EQ is important.

 

He should be like his initials SRY.

 

Learn to say sry lah

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You got to see who the snoc president is. Ppl so used to be hearing "yes sir" then suddenly got this guy who dont. Of course buay song.

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That's SNOC excuse. Have to follow the the why he clash. He didn't behave inappropriately during any competition, sportmenship is present. He only clash with the committee decision. And ya, I don't believe in SNOC excuse.

 

Problem is the boss or share holders is the whole of Singapore. The one making the decision is the middle management acting out on their own interest rather than the share holders. They decide to suspend a proven 'productive' employee becoz of his clash with them. Whether this employee broke any company's rule, it's still debatable.

IDK what committee decision you refer to as I don't follow the sport.

 

But I did read about how patently ridiculous accusations against another fellow runner who had won some award. His subsequent behavior in the light of evidence proving him wrong shows what kind of character he is.

 

What's the big deal about him? I don't see any national glory for the country even if he wins in the sea games. At least not any more than if we had bought another table tennis player.

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When you place 'important people' in the committee,  they are not there for show. They should be held accountable. Otherwise please don't take up the space and glory.

 

It is quite clear there are internal problems,  don't sweep under the carpet. Public funds are used so open up and let public decide. 

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I had the privilege of meeting and working with him on some stuff some years back and I can vouch that aside from being a humble, disciplined and focused athlete, he is also someone who will stand up with integrity and on principle. 

 

Perhaps in the local context, being vocal and standing up for others and yourself will always ruffle feathers at the top. Perhaps there could be a better way of handling his dissatisfaction, but I guess sometimes this boils down to a person's character and their personal self-belief. But going by the various incidents he's been involved in, it is always quite clear from whatever unfolded that he was never really the one 'at fault' at the first place and whatever he has commented publicly was not unfounded.  (e.g. Volker Hermann in the SEA Games; Also, in the latest case it was Ashley Liew and SNOC that started the ball rolling with the legal suit and there is basis to dispute Ashley's claim). 

 

It is unfortunate that there is perhaps a lot of underlying negative undercurrents within our sporting fraternity and the various associations due to the various politics and perhaps also the stakeholders/management. Another recent example was the Tae Kwon Do Federation which got itself embroiled with a lot of issues and suspension following the public disagreement with Ng Ming Wei.

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Both sides I also hoot

 

SNOC

Just be clear of what are the eligibility criteria to represent Singapore in the Games. Is it just meeting of standard like qualifying time or they are other criteria. Be more specific lah. Like must meet timing + no speeding tickets + no cheating on parking + no Geylang rendezvous etc

 

 

SPORTSMAN

Focus on your trade. If you run, please fun fast. If you swim, please swim fast. If you throw, please throw far. Anything outside your trade, please don't kaypoh lah. Why you care the fellow cheat or not, drug or not, got girlfriend or not etc. Somewhere, someone, some authority will deal them them somehow and someday 

 

 

 

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 the athlete was given a formal warning by the SNOC over a breach of regulations regarding the promotion of personal sponsors on social media during the biennial Games.

 

if this is true, then very hard to select him also.

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I think the local sport scene is very sad. There's very little coverage on any of the athletes except during big events. Even for JS. Before he got his gold medal nothing is known about him. After his gold medal I dont really know of other local swimmers, like the next best. Nothing, zero. 

 

Are politicians suitable to run the sports assoc? They have time for it? Or are they there guarding the funds? They are hardly promoting any sports. Funding dont have to come all from ah gong. If athletes are more known there will be sponsors coming forward. Always say no talent. Give little funding to develop talent, what do you think the results will be? JS is so talented also got to rely on his parents to sponsor him. The local sports scene is just sad run by sad ppl who dunno what they are doing.

 

We dont even know who the best athletes of each SEA games event we are in. This is how pathetic the local sports are. We know of this marathon runner because he has behaviour problem with the sports body and he's suing some other athlete over something we dont even want to know. This is the kinda PR coverage we have for athletes. Sad man.

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To be fair to SNOC, this guy seems abit too big for his shoes. It’s one thing to be a straight shooter but another thing to know where to draw the line. As in any sport, SNOC has to be seen as approving places to sportsmen who have talent but also show discipline.

 

Soh has been shouting out a lot of accusations to the press justified or otherwise. All professional sports clubs will tell u that u have to dialogue with the associations or clubs concerned directly if there is some unhappiness or issue. Last thing u do is to go to the press so whilst it saddens me to see our chance of gold medal lessen, I think it’s about right what SNOC is doing as afterall no individual is bigger than the game itself no matter how talented.

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As much as this guy is the best half or full marathon runner in Singapore, i can understand why the SNOC did what they do.

 

Being aggressive and confrontational gets you somewhere, but first it doesn't play well with sponsors and also national team selection.

Being too vocally outspoken is always an issue. If he says or do something controversial during the SEA games again, then attention is diverted away from the other SEA games athletes etc.  

 

U maybe the best, but being labeled a potential troublemaker is more likely to get you nowhere. Many athletes have faced the same fate. Whether it's in NBA, elite level football or other disciplines etc. 

 

Granted I do think he's just speaking his mind. But it's not always bad publicity is good publicity.


His comments about the SNOC is not going to do him any favors.

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maybe we should have sport agent to represent the local sportsman

 

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 the athlete was given a formal warning by the SNOC over a breach of regulations regarding the promotion of personal sponsors on social media during the biennial Games.

 

if this is true, then very hard to select him also.

 

From another perspective, perhaps the 'regulations' governing sponsorship need to also move more with the times. As we know in SG, with extremely limited funding for athletes, the latter are mostly left on their own to source for their own external funding for training, equipment, participation in tournaments and such like. 

 

When an athlete secures sponsorship, they are henceforth also obligated and committed to the sponsors as well; And this includes publicity, outreach, promotional and community service initiatives.To expect an athlete to not give a subtle shout-out to their sponsors is very narrow-minded. Either that or perhaps the parent organisation themselves did not negotiate the terms with the blanket sponsor that's fair to athletes. 

 

Such rigid 'regulations' were mostly already left behind in the 1990's. For example, in the 1990 and 1994 World Cup - You'd hardly find a German national football player who didn't wear Adidas head-to-toe due to very strict regulations by Adidas; Even right up to 1998, Nike always had to remove their logo from major FIFA and UEFA international tournaments (e.g. European Championship) as the primary sponsor was Adidas, which deemed Nike to be their closest competitor. 

 

Nowadays, athletes are more free to express their affiliation with their respective sponsors, and the playing field is more fair to sporting brands out there, despite the competition, particularly when they represent their countries. For example, Spain football Captain Sergio Ramos is sponsored by Nike, but both his national and club sides Spain and Real Madrid are sponsored by Adidas. He will appear in Nike ads for the boots and other related sportswear, but he can still appear in a Real ad wearing an Adidas shirt, which is his obligation to the club. 

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Ya i know what u mean .

but now this is SEA game , its a team game already , he is no longer a single runner in a race , but part of a team.

 

its like soccer. there are some very good players around, but keep breaking team regulation, like partying at night when light off before match is 10 pm ( just an example )

do the coach still select him cos he is talented??

 

i dun know the details of this soh case. but if just base on the report from ts an if the report is true.

then very hard to debate this decision also.

 

imagine if every 1 start behaving like him doing thing as they please.

 

i alway put team spirit behaviour above medals. 

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