Brexit ? No-deal on 31st October

[Kusje]

42 minutes ago, Wt_know said:

Boris plan is working ... push EU to the corner with no deal brexit until got deal ... 

but Corbyn the trouble maker is not letting go ... 

if everything fail ... brexit with no deal is better than a bad deal from EU ... isn't it?

Exactly. People complain that he is stupid for proposing no deal but I guess they don't know how to play chicken.

If you're seen as not being willing to make the hard decisions, other side will know they can trample all over you in negotiations.

[Beregond]

1 hour ago, Vid said:

Both France and Germany have indicated they are open to renegotiate and to find a solution to the backdrop

open to renegotiate dun mean they willing to lower their demand.

like china and US always willing to talk, but no result

EU can drag and wait, but can british do the same?

this is the clever part on EU side.

british is killing each other internally now,

who knows if boris is kick out now, and brexit drag a few more years,

in the end there might not be a brexit afterall??

[Nlatio]

That's the plan.... since no turning back cause they need to respect the vote... just drag the exit lor... 1 years, 5 years,  10 years, 50 years,  100 years.... like that it pleases both side... kekeke

[Jamesc]

If people lose their job then no need to take bus or train to work. 

So price increase a lot also never mind. 

If people still have a job price increase a lot also never mind. Stop complaining you still have a job. 

And if you drive a car bus and train increase a lot also never mind. 

Made the decision to own a car even better. 

So see everyone happy. 

[Silver_blade]

2 hours ago, Vid said:

Both France and Germany have indicated they are open to renegotiate and to find a solution to the backdrop

Actually Boris's way of negotiation is more effective than May's and now the parliament want to destroy it again. Negotiation need to play bluff sometimes...cannot let others know you are desperate.

[Vid]

Just now, Silver_blade said:

Actually Boris's way of negotiation is more effective than May's and now the parliament want to destroy it again. Negotiation need to play bluff sometimes...cannot let others know you are desperate.

I agree. There were hints that he could pull it off with a deal but now seems like down the drain

[Beregond]

7 minutes ago, Silver_blade said:

Actually Boris's way of negotiation is more effective than May's and now the parliament want to destroy it again. Negotiation need to play bluff sometimes...cannot let others know you are desperate.

I dun think boris is playing bluff,

he really want and is ready to do a no deal exit.

 

[Kusje]

2 minutes ago, Beregond said:

I dun think boris is playing bluff,

he really want and is ready to do a no deal exit.

 

But that's the whole pt. If he looks like he is bluffing then he loses.

The fact you think he isn't bluffing means he is (or was) doing well.

[Silver_blade]

8 hours ago, Beregond said:

I dun think boris is playing bluff,

he really want and is ready to do a no deal exit.

 

What I means is that he cannot let EU know they are desperate.

Of course, with both sides digging in their heels, the only way out is a no-deal brexit, which will be bad for everyone. But what alternative do they have? One party will have to give in and accept a less favourable deal. 

EU was already showing some sign of relenting until the UK parliament screwed it up again. 

Edited September 4, 2019 by Silver_blade

[Silver_blade]

We can only hope the current government can pull off a stunt like Churchill did during WWII, either force a deal with EU or bite the bullet and go for no-deal.

I feel EU will be quick to go into trade talk with the UK once the breakaway is completed cos some many industries between the UK and EU are interdependent.   

[Silver_blade]

I feel Labour will be wiser to start to give Boris a little more support and avoid a snap election cos both the Tory and Labour are going to lose seats and the beneficiaries will Brexit Party and Lib Dem.

[Watwheels]

These ppl need to unite and come together to come up with a plan to leave the eu in stages.

Leaving suddenly will no doubt cause a lot of chaos especially the uk borders. They can nego for a deal for themselves to setup necessary border infrastructure and other admin stuff coming in and out of uk before leaving the eu in stages. But they have wasted much of the past 3 years arguing amongst themselves delaying what is going to be inevitable.

Ppl will remember Brexit as a country divided that cannot come to a common consensus.

Edited September 5, 2019 by Watwheels

[Lala81]

 

The UK's ruling Conservative Party has been ripped apart in just three days - https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/06/brexit-conservative-party-has-been-ripped-apart-in-three-days.html

 

[Beregond]

21 minutes ago, Lala81 said:

 

The UK's ruling Conservative Party has been ripped apart in just three days - https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/06/brexit-conservative-party-has-been-ripped-apart-in-three-days.html

 

why they even vote for boris in the first place if they dun support his ideal🙄

[Jamesc]

I am now convinced that Brexit will be a big success.

A big success. They learn from the best.

😀

The foreign secretary, Jeremy Hunt, on a visit to Singapore to learn how such a relatively isolated city state has become so successful is only the latest, but most explicit, of a long line of Tory ministers to extol it as the model for the UK post-Brexit.

Quite how Singapore, an authoritarian state capitalist economy akin to China, has become the pre-eminent Tory model for the UK post-Brexit, as opposed to other more democratic economies, is puzzling.

Margaret Thatcher was a great admirer of the former British colony, but more recently others who have been intrigued by Singapore’s success include Sajid Javid, the home secretary, Michael Gove as education secretary in 2012 and Owen Paterson, a luminary of the Tory Eurosceptic benches. Others, such as Sir James Dyson, the Brexiter businessman, speak with their wallet. He picked Singapore and not the UK post-Brexit to build his new electric vehicle. Javid at least speaks from experience – he earned £3m a year as head of Deutsche Bank  Singapore trading division.

Hunt, quickly refashioning his modernising politics to suit an imminent date with a Tory party electorate, is a more surprising advocate for Singapore. He used an article in the Mail on Sunday before his visit on Wednesday to hail its remarkable transformation from a tiny territory devoid of natural resources into the world’s eighth-richest country, adding it was “a reminder of the tidal shifts that can exist within the ebb and flow of the changing world order”.

In taking this course, Hunt is taking a political risk both for himself and for Brexit. He risks burning his remaining bridges with the small modernising base in the Tory party, but he also risks associating Brexit at such a sensitive time with an economic and democratic model that may be anathema to wavering Brexit voters.

Brexit critics often claim the Tory party vision is for a deregulated Singapore-on-Thames, and here is a senior cabinet minister only weeks before the key Brexit vote travelling 6,700 miles to confirm this to be the case.

For EU negotiators, anxious that a bargain-basement Britain does not have privileged access to its single market, the warning could not be clearer.

At one level, the parallels with the birth of Singapore and post-Brexit Britain are worth drawing. Singapore was expelled in 1965 from its short-lived union with its larger Malaysian neighbours, something that proved to be a blessing in disguise for a small city state few thought could prosper alone.

At the time of independence, Singapore’s GDP per capita stood at just $512. Now it has the eighth-largest GDP per capita in the world and is consistently ranked among the tiger countries, with the highest density of millionaires relative to population. Its achievements in schooling and housing are striking.

“We had to create a new kind of economy, try new methods and schemes never tried before anywhere else in the world, because there was no other country like Singapore,” wrote Lee Kuan Yew, Singapore’s founder in his memoirs, From Third World to First.

 

[1fast1]

6 minutes ago, Jamesc said:

I am now convinced that Brexit will be a big success.

A big success. They learn from the best.

😀

The foreign secretary, Jeremy Hunt, on a visit to Singapore to learn how such a relatively isolated city state has become so successful is only the latest, but most explicit, of a long line of Tory ministers to extol it as the model for the UK post-Brexit.

Quite how Singapore, an authoritarian state capitalist economy akin to China, has become the pre-eminent Tory model for the UK post-Brexit, as opposed to other more democratic economies, is puzzling.

Margaret Thatcher was a great admirer of the former British colony, but more recently others who have been intrigued by Singapore’s success include Sajid Javid, the home secretary, Michael Gove as education secretary in 2012 and Owen Paterson, a luminary of the Tory Eurosceptic benches. Others, such as Sir James Dyson, the Brexiter businessman, speak with their wallet. He picked Singapore and not the UK post-Brexit to build his new electric vehicle. Javid at least speaks from experience – he earned £3m a year as head of Deutsche Bank  Singapore trading division.

Hunt, quickly refashioning his modernising politics to suit an imminent date with a Tory party electorate, is a more surprising advocate for Singapore. He used an article in the Mail on Sunday before his visit on Wednesday to hail its remarkable transformation from a tiny territory devoid of natural resources into the world’s eighth-richest country, adding it was “a reminder of the tidal shifts that can exist within the ebb and flow of the changing world order”.

In taking this course, Hunt is taking a political risk both for himself and for Brexit. He risks burning his remaining bridges with the small modernising base in the Tory party, but he also risks associating Brexit at such a sensitive time with an economic and democratic model that may be anathema to wavering Brexit voters.

Brexit critics often claim the Tory party vision is for a deregulated Singapore-on-Thames, and here is a senior cabinet minister only weeks before the key Brexit vote travelling 6,700 miles to confirm this to be the case.

For EU negotiators, anxious that a bargain-basement Britain does not have privileged access to its single market, the warning could not be clearer.

At one level, the parallels with the birth of Singapore and post-Brexit Britain are worth drawing. Singapore was expelled in 1965 from its short-lived union with its larger Malaysian neighbours, something that proved to be a blessing in disguise for a small city state few thought could prosper alone.

At the time of independence, Singapore’s GDP per capita stood at just $512. Now it has the eighth-largest GDP per capita in the world and is consistently ranked among the tiger countries, with the highest density of millionaires relative to population. Its achievements in schooling and housing are striking.

“We had to create a new kind of economy, try new methods and schemes never tried before anywhere else in the world, because there was no other country like Singapore,” wrote Lee Kuan Yew, Singapore’s founder in his memoirs, From Third World to First.

 

They should do everything we do. It's the only way. It's impossible to single out any one factor as being responsible for our success. 

Start with chewing gum ban, caning and hanging. 

Cane BoJo for his long hair as it's a bad example to his youth. 

😁

Edited September 12, 2019 by Turboflat4

[Jamesc]

17 minutes ago, Turboflat4 said:

They should do everything we do. It's the only way. It's impossible to single out any one factor as being responsible for our success. 

Start with chewing gum ban, caning and hanging. 

Cane BoJo for his long hair as it's a bad example to his youth. 

😁

Chewing Gum Litter Problem Costs Brits Millions

Tossed chewing gum litters sidewalks, induces not-so-pleasant words when stuck to the shoes and costs cities millions to remove.

If everyone in the UK stopped discarding their used chewing gum on UK streets today, it would still take over four months to clean the existing gum off streets. Photo: Gumdropbin.com

After reading just how much money towns in England spend annually to remove chewing gum from public areas, British design student, Anna Bullus, began dreaming up solutions.

She realized there must be a better way to deal with this litter and, in 2006, entered the chemistry laboratory with the goal of creating a new plastic polymer using recycled chewing gum capable of being used in commercial molding processes. In 2008, Anna created GUMDROP Ltd.

Born from her design was the GUMDROP Bin, a receptacle not only for the collection of used chewing gum, but also manufactured from used chewing gum. The bins are designed for placement around a city, much the same as trash bins.

When full, they are collected and the entire bin, contents and shell, are recycled into new products, including new bins.

Though not the first item that comes to mind when the world “litter” is muttered, chewing gum is definitely an issue spawning the creation of such initiatives as the Chewing Gum Action Group in the UK.

On average, 30,000 pieces of gum are irresponsibly discarded each day on Oxford Street in London alone, contributing to 3.5 billion tossed pieces of gum each year in the UK.

Bullus’ Gumdrop Bins are found around the UK, as well as the Six Flags Theme Park in Jackson, New Jersey. Photo: Gumdropbin.com

The British Government spends 150 million British Pounds (approx. $230 million USD) annually to remove an average of 7,000 tons of chewing gum from UK streets.

If a mere 10 percent of that used gum was placed into GUMDROP bins, 1 million GUMDROP bins could be produced from the material.

The 2010 Chewing Gum Campaign is currently underway in a handful of UK towns, where individuals caught littering their used gum risk an 80 British Pound fine (approx. $125 USD).

The towns work with Keep Britain Tidy and GUMDROP to place the GUMDROP bins and educate the public as to the environmental and economical impacts of littering chewing gum, a move London Mayor Boris Johnson is particularly keen on in preparation of the 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games hosted by his city.

[1fast1]

5 minutes ago, Jamesc said:

Chewing Gum Litter Problem Costs Brits Millions

Tossed chewing gum litters sidewalks, induces not-so-pleasant words when stuck to the shoes and costs cities millions to remove.

If everyone in the UK stopped discarding their used chewing gum on UK streets today, it would still take over four months to clean the existing gum off streets. Photo: Gumdropbin.com

After reading just how much money towns in England spend annually to remove chewing gum from public areas, British design student, Anna Bullus, began dreaming up solutions.

She realized there must be a better way to deal with this litter and, in 2006, entered the chemistry laboratory with the goal of creating a new plastic polymer using recycled chewing gum capable of being used in commercial molding processes. In 2008, Anna created GUMDROP Ltd.

Born from her design was the GUMDROP Bin, a receptacle not only for the collection of used chewing gum, but also manufactured from used chewing gum. The bins are designed for placement around a city, much the same as trash bins.

When full, they are collected and the entire bin, contents and shell, are recycled into new products, including new bins.

Though not the first item that comes to mind when the world “litter” is muttered, chewing gum is definitely an issue spawning the creation of such initiatives as the Chewing Gum Action Group in the UK.

On average, 30,000 pieces of gum are irresponsibly discarded each day on Oxford Street in London alone, contributing to 3.5 billion tossed pieces of gum each year in the UK.

Bullus’ Gumdrop Bins are found around the UK, as well as the Six Flags Theme Park in Jackson, New Jersey. Photo: Gumdropbin.com

The British Government spends 150 million British Pounds (approx. $230 million USD) annually to remove an average of 7,000 tons of chewing gum from UK streets.

If a mere 10 percent of that used gum was placed into GUMDROP bins, 1 million GUMDROP bins could be produced from the material.

The 2010 Chewing Gum Campaign is currently underway in a handful of UK towns, where individuals caught littering their used gum risk an 80 British Pound fine (approx. $125 USD).

The towns work with Keep Britain Tidy and GUMDROP to place the GUMDROP bins and educate the public as to the environmental and economical impacts of littering chewing gum, a move London Mayor Boris Johnson is particularly keen on in preparation of the 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games hosted by his city.

Hahaha I was right! 😂 

Now they should cane BoJo. 🤣