Freeder Hypersonic November 10, 2019 Share November 10, 2019 20 hours ago, Mustank said: Don’t worry the they are more likely to meet angry Sbs bus drivers than car people Expect mince meat galore if those rider’s attitude still the same... ↡ Advertisement 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fcw75 Hypersonic November 10, 2019 Share November 10, 2019 1 hour ago, No_worries said: Title sounds very innocent though, until we read the contents. https://mothership.sg/2019/11/pmd-ban-grabfood-delivery-rider-drift/ You mean the 7 kids? 😅 And he hope the ban will be overturned? Hahaha, must be dreaming. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosaria Turbocharged November 10, 2019 Share November 10, 2019 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Vratenza said: Nobody really answered why PMD cannot be changed to bicycle and must be PAB? A decent bicycle with helmet will do nicely as a form of alternative transport. Why change one evil for another evil and push it onto the road. Read in many reports, some pmd delivery people are given excuses such as: " after cycling for too long, my legs gets wobbly" from a 31yr old woman." You need more exercise... Not less! I think most of these delivery rider types, yolo lifestyle when younger, keep late nights, drink or smoke or both ... by 30s, health is shot already. Maybe wear Spandex will help? Edited November 10, 2019 by Sosaria 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosaria Turbocharged November 10, 2019 Share November 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Soya said: $1200 a month w/o CPF, medical, leave, future career prospects, etc considered good meh? Thot all grabfood PMD riders earning damn super big bucks that's why addicted to it. Even 60-yr old security guard unker can easily earn twice that if not more. Is this all a young 28-yr old w 7-kids is willing to do? These people don't mind the lower pay w/o benefits because what they want is flexibility. Feel like working or need to work, then go work. Wake up feel lazy or still have some money to spend, then no need go work also can. Basically suka suka can don't come to work but still have a source of income - that's why they mostly won't or can't hold down a proper job even if it comes with more pay and benefits. Govt already roll out many helping schemes to upgrade them for better jobs in industries through skills training and all that but ? Edited November 10, 2019 by Sosaria 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbon82 Moderator November 10, 2019 Share November 10, 2019 Putting aside all comparison about PMD, PAB, bicycle, etc. As long as the person is using his/her vehicle for delivery services paid according to the number of trip made, there is always a time pressure and that stressor itself would be likely to cause distraction, reckless behavior, etc. The same for heavy vehicles drivers who are largely paid on per trip basis, thus you are likely to see them speeding or making reckless maneuver, so as to shave off minutes and seconds each trip they made. In considering these factors, the top priority should be addressing their unsafe behavior on the road, footpath or even PCN. Any better way of paying these genuine delivery personnel, besides per trip earning, say safety bonus (instead of bonus for performing more trips)? Next, reducing the likelihood and severity of getting into accident with other parties, should the company and government consider transportation tools that is inherently safer, say bicycle instead of PAB? 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustank Hypersonic November 10, 2019 Share November 10, 2019 Must make them show number plate big big on their grab bag something like the runner pin on their singlet one any one case of one food delivery person using fake plate, whole lot tio ban and need to buy insurance if not these jokers beat red light knock into pedestrian, who pay? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash2017 Twincharged November 10, 2019 Share November 10, 2019 9 hours ago, Throttle2 said: Looks like still blur as sotong "Cigarette is a pinch of tobacco rolled in a piece of paper with fire on one end and a fool on the other end." Robert Mugabe 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash2017 Twincharged November 10, 2019 Share November 10, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kb27 said: The $7m grant is not all from taxpayer's money. I believe the 3 major food delivery companies are contributing the majority of it for the food deliverers only. In addition, they have to surrender their e-scooter. Not everyone who owns one is entitled to this grant. Some may think it's a waste of taxpayers money, but think of the alternative. If they lose their livelihood, some could turn to crime or something worse. However, if they misbehave on the roads/pedestrian walk, they should not expect any less punishment. its not just about wasting public money its about accountability many citizens already highlighted that flesh and metal cannot share the same path without incurring morbidity and mortality everyday one reported accident dotted with a few deaths, in peace time, one death is just too many especially if the problem is government created which is completely avoidable hence, the issue of accountabilty these policy makers are not volunteers with no salary but paid (highest in the world) more than just well, the relationship between policy maker and citizen had become one of a business transaction. Edited November 10, 2019 by Ash2017 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash2017 Twincharged November 10, 2019 Share November 10, 2019 41 minutes ago, Carbon82 said: Putting aside all comparison about PMD, PAB, bicycle, etc. As long as the person is using his/her vehicle for delivery services paid according to the number of trip made, there is always a time pressure and that stressor itself would be likely to cause distraction, reckless behavior, etc. The same for heavy vehicles drivers who are largely paid on per trip basis, thus you are likely to see them speeding or making reckless maneuver, so as to shave off minutes and seconds each trip they made. In considering these factors, the top priority should be addressing their unsafe behavior on the road, footpath or even PCN. Any better way of paying these genuine delivery personnel, besides per trip earning, say safety bonus (instead of bonus for performing more trips)? Next, reducing the likelihood and severity of getting into accident with other parties, should the company and government consider transportation tools that is inherently safer, say bicycle instead of PAB? some say commissioned based job eg property agents, their goal to serve their clients is not affected by the commission. so why should delivery guys be distracted from their higher calling of on time but safe delivery i dont think this is a permanent problem because it is a matter of time we get to see driverless/riderless delivery service. its already happening in some parts of China 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xers007 Supercharged November 10, 2019 Share November 10, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kb27 said: The $7m grant is not all from taxpayer's money. I believe the 3 major food delivery companies are contributing the majority of it for the food deliverers only. In addition, they have to surrender their e-scooter. Not everyone who owns one is entitled to this grant. Some may think it's a waste of taxpayers money, but think of the alternative. If they lose their livelihood, some could turn to crime or something worse. However, if they misbehave on the roads/pedestrian walk, they should not expect any less punishment. LTA will meet dollar for dollar for the replacement. It was reported. More menace is coming to the road, anyway even on PMD they also get on the road so not much diff if enforcement is that limited. Edited November 10, 2019 by Xers007 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sdf4786k Twincharged November 10, 2019 Share November 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, Ash2017 said: some say commissioned based job eg property agents, their goal to serve their clients is not affected by the commission. so why should delivery guys be distracted from their higher calling of on time but safe delivery i dont think this is a permanent problem because it is a matter of time we get to see driverless/riderless delivery service. its already happening in some parts of China So the 7 mil could have been better use by investing in drone food delivery? have all the obselete grab pmd deliveroo guy evolved into a drone operator? best idea I have heard in a while Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash2017 Twincharged November 10, 2019 Share November 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, Xers007 said: LTA will meet dollar for dollar for the replacement. It was reported. More menace is coming to the road, anyway even on PMD they also get on the road so not much diff if enforcement is that limited. authorities still don't get it they think stiffer road punishment already in our law would stop people from thinking doing unlawful things if so drink driving, drug mule etc would be without job long ago somehow the transfer from footpath to road, seems more like face saving move 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamburger Hypersonic November 10, 2019 Share November 10, 2019 PMD get subsidised and no more allowed on the foot path. Guess they will be on the road. Motorist should also be treated the same benifit. Turn in our old car cam in exchange for new ones to safe guard riders or drivers from reckless PMD users. LTA put them on the street, the least they can do is to safe guard the true motorist that paid road tax. 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Supersonic November 10, 2019 Share November 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Carbon82 said: Putting aside all comparison about PMD, PAB, bicycle, etc. As long as the person is using his/her vehicle for delivery services paid according to the number of trip made, there is always a time pressure and that stressor itself would be likely to cause distraction, reckless behavior, etc. The same for heavy vehicles drivers who are largely paid on per trip basis, thus you are likely to see them speeding or making reckless maneuver, so as to shave off minutes and seconds each trip they made. In considering these factors, the top priority should be addressing their unsafe behavior on the road, footpath or even PCN. Any better way of paying these genuine delivery personnel, besides per trip earning, say safety bonus (instead of bonus for performing more trips)? Next, reducing the likelihood and severity of getting into accident with other parties, should the company and government consider transportation tools that is inherently safer, say bicycle instead of PAB? PAB still need leg power. It got no throttle. Rider need to cycle then got assistance. Once freewheel, ZERO assistance. Safety is a mindset thing. The best is to ban all form of private transport. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Supersonic November 10, 2019 Share November 10, 2019 From ST motoring journalist 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustank Hypersonic November 10, 2019 Share November 10, 2019 same speed as lorry Cheong into pedesatrsin walk and knock into people how? Who pay? siang hoh one day knock into fierce gangster beat the shit out of these clowns 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Supersonic November 10, 2019 Share November 10, 2019 Sent this video to [email protected] 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volvobrick Supersonic November 10, 2019 Share November 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Freeder said: Expect mince meat galore if those rider’s attitude still the same... At least now they become the minced meat, not their victims. We as drivers just hope we are not the mincer but someone else. ↡ Advertisement 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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