How to enforce the law for PMDS?

[Solar]

46 minutes ago, Philipkee said:

Disagree.  It's not the same.

Anyway we will have to agree to disagree.  I can only predict two things from here.

1)  PMD riders will be more bold from now on.

2)  Security guards/personnel like condo guards and Cisco will be less passionate on their duties and just to the bare minimum.  This will only be to the detriment of society.

Well the article Vetckik shared mentioned there officers are supposed to only take particulars... So that means in the first place enforcement is already half hearted at the top.

With this precedence and clarification, we can forget about anything more from now onwards. 👏👏

[1fast1]

3 hours ago, Stratovarius said:

orbigood for the criminal. 

i think if you are committing a crime and got spotted by enforcers, they have the right to stop you without using lethal force (aka gun shot). I remember a few years ago, there's a new about an anti vice use their car to ram into the drug trafficker's car just to stop him from escaping.  

If the criminal is having the intent to escape, there is no way the enforcers can safely and gently apprehend him, especially he is on a speeding PMD and they are on foot with no forms of protection against impact. A kick might be the best solution given the situation.  

With regard to the vice cops ramming the car - do you have a link to the news article bro? Cos I witnessed something like this happening right in front of my eyes when I was working in SGH more than 6 years back - did this happen in 2013 or before around Outram/Cantonment area?

With regard to the fleeing PMD, couldn't agree more. Slam the fokkers to the ground, haha.

[Philipkee]

2 minutes ago, Voodooman said:

10 years later, when we looked back at the PMD issue, we will perhaps laugh at it but the long term impact of a society condoning and encouraging excessive use of force would be far more serious. 

We can agree to disagree. 

Well, we used to be a country where we were more law abiding so your point would be valid then. Now? I dont know.

But lets see how situation develops from now on.

Peace.

[RadX]

5 minutes ago, Solar said:

Well the article Vetckik shared mentioned there officers are supposed to only take particulars... So that means in the first place enforcement is already half hearted at the top.

With this precedence and clarification, we can forget about anything more from now onwards. 👏👏

Agree ... what for do more when can kanna suspend

 

same like office culture lo.. keep my mouth shut, do my job and let the wrong permeate... I hv my salary to keep

[Carbon82]

15 hours ago, Yewheng said:

Ya lor.. Like as if discribe as accurately as possible can help catch that pmd rider later on. Most likely they would had excape and continue to ride pmd on the road...

 

15 hours ago, Solar said:

It'll make enforcement more difficult.. they know enforcement can't do anything other than yelling or chasing after the PMD on foot, and nothing else. More will take the chance to escape.

After all the fanfare of PMD ban, rider continued riding on footpaths with full face mask, and with this latest case that says enforcement officers have no right to apply force to stop errant riders, we are another small step closer to the HK style chaos... That guy will be hail the hero. 

[Wind30]

Yup, so the pmd was warned in an earlier junction and refused to stop and was intercepted in the next junction.

bravo to the Cisco officer in apprehending him.

stupid government out source the enforcement and still have such half hearted regulations. 
we are not talking about a normal pmd driver but one who drove  after being informed to stop.

[Voodooman]

15 hours ago, Carbon82 said:

 

After all the fanfare of PMD ban, rider continued riding on footpaths with full face mask, and with this latest case that says enforcement officers have no right to apply force to stop errant riders, we are another small step closer to the HK style chaos... That guy will be hail the hero. 

Wait for first quarter next year lah, now LTA / Police is just a toothless tiger on the PMD issue.

[Kb27]

hey, e-scooterist, just ride as fast as you can. no one will stop you.

oh yeah, wear a disguise too.

Edited December 11, 2019 by Kb27

[Philipkee]

I just thought of another joke.  Everyone is kpi based.

Public demands something is done about reckless PMD.

So minister directs LTA to solve it.

LTA contracts out to Cisco to take pictures of errand riders and submits to LTA

Cisco officers take photos and submits to LTA

Everyone is happy. CISCO officers did their jobs.  Get bonus.

LTA gets photos.  Effective enforcement.  Get bonus.

Minister announces measures taken.  Get bonus. 

All happy.  Except situation never changes but everyone met KPI 

[Ender]

British police use their vehicle to ram down moped criminals, the moped crimes were down by 7000 according tothis news. So much for concern for the perpetrator's safety?

Cisco should be equipped with king kong lorry.

 

Edited December 11, 2019 by Ender

[Xers007]

9 hours ago, Whitemorning said:

I agree that the officer’s action was professional, by trying to stop an errant PMD user (esp when he’s riding on the road). But the method he used was questionable. 

While the PMD was obviously trying to escape the officers, there was no imminent threat to others. So to me, the kungfu kick seemed to be an excessive use of force. The kick itself might cause serious injuries to the rider, since it was done when PMD was moving at considerable speed, n not yet considering how the rider would crash land (he almost crashed into the trafffic light pole at full speed). 

Probably, a simple nudge to knock the PMD off balance would suffice. The rider may still sustain injuries, but it shouldn’t be as serious as being kicked off his PMD.

If u look at the video again, the kick did not knock the rider straight off but caused him to wobble, lose balance and crash. Which is very much u think would suffice. But due to the speed he is charging at the warden, he crashed hard.

[Ct3833]

23 minutes ago, Xers007 said:

If u look at the video again, the kick did not knock the rider straight off but caused him to wobble, lose balance and crash. Which is very much u think would suffice. But due to the speed he is charging at the warden, he crashed hard.

I just hope the cisco does  not land himself into any trouble. 

[Cllee]

Why the pmd rider needed to run away so fast from the law enforcement officers? Was he carrying somethings illegal with him? If pmd rider did nothing wrong, he could just stop and let the officers do their job and  maybe he will only get a warning or summon. If anyone wants to challenge the laws, then prepare to face the consequences.

[Yewheng]

 

See this pmd rider refuse to stop and trying to escape.. So if in future no kick, surely he would had keep escape from being caught and continue to keep ride pmd on the road. Although there are many cisco officer chasing after that pmd rider, these cisco officer are handicapped as they chase on foot vs rider rode on pmd. 

[Yewheng]

12 minutes ago, Cllee said:

Why the pmd rider needed to run away so fast from the law enforcement officers? Was he carrying somethings illegal with him? If pmd rider did nothing wrong, he could just stop and let the officers do their job and  maybe he will only get a warning or summon. If anyone wants to challenge the laws, then prepare to face the consequences.

Yolo attitude.. So once get caught, die die will want to escape.. They feel that they have advantage, as pmd vs run on foot. Who will win in terms on speed? Of coz pmd la.. 

Edited December 11, 2019 by Yewheng

[Wind30]

Lta should step out and clarify on what are the rules of engagement.

dont keep quiet. To me, a reasonable force fused to stop a illegal speeding pmd who refuses to stop after warning is fair play.

[Wind30]

Funny thing I noticed. In an earlier version of today’s article, they mentioned they were asking lta what the rules of engagement are. which is a valid question asked by a lot of people. But today removed that question after they updated the article..... sigh... our press really cannot make it.

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/officer-who-kicked-pmd-rider-certis-cisco-lta-says-it-doesnt-condone-behaviour

 

[Hamburger]

radio said the kungfu officer concerned was suspended and LTA do not tolerate such behaviour.

 

They could have just done a face recognition and it would suffice, according to LTA.

 

good job, another guniang stat board that NATO but only know how to collect $$.