Lucky Plaza PHV Crash: 2 Filipinas Killed Instantly, 4 Seriously Injured - 29/12/19

[Didu]

The car mounted the curb very close to the Lucky Plaza Apartment vehicle pick up point. Was the driver trying to brake, but stepped onto the gas pedal instead? Police need to investigate.

[Watwheels]

Thanks moderator for merging thread. Couldnt find existing one.

https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/2-dead-several-injured-after-car-crashes-side-road-outside-lucky-plaza

A man believed to be the driver of the car being led away by police to assist in investigations. PHOTO: The Straits Times

 

He must be distracted. How else would a driver crash until like that?

Edited December 30, 2019 by Watwheels

[Mercury1]

46 minutes ago, No_worries said:

I don’t remember the exact words the Edge Magazine used to describe Grab. But it goes something like this:

”Socialise the losses and risks, but privatise the gains”

That's a good quote wasn't aware of that, thanks for raising it. Definitely an apt one.

[Kusje]

14 hours ago, RadX said:

Let’s wait for the PR damage saying not able to handle bla bla

 

but I think

there is some protocol they follow

protocol is simple.

Mt E expensive, victims got no money so cannot go there.

[Mercury1]

30 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

I am not sure whether any vetting was done, especially transcab.

If this incident was caused by cab, cab company will just come out and apologise.  Nothing will be done.

In order to force the safety mindset into drivers (PHV or cab), just shift all of these drivers to pay as you use insurance.  Most of the drivers will have an increase in rental cost in next 6 mths.  We might see an increase in unemployment cost.

Acknowledge that cabbies are no saints either but we are seeing more reckelsss phv on the road not to mention they have a higher chance of playing around with the phones while driving due to the nature of the way their business is conducted.

Maybe it should be enforced that all drivers take regular test, any drivers found being errant using their phones etc while driving the companies or incidences like this companies grab will also get penalize. Unless these companies are held responsible for their drivers actions they have no incentive to ensure their drivers are kept in line, this way any 90 year old with a driving license can go become a grab driver.

[Kusje]

13 hours ago, Zxcvb said:

https://www.mountelizabeth.com.sg/about-us/mount-elizabeth-orchard

Isn't Mount E a full-fledged tertiary hospital with 24hr accident and emergency ward?? Oh well. Hard protocol truth.

You didn't check the charges? How to afford.

[13177]

14 hours ago, Zxcvb said:

Wow!! Instead of sending to Mt E which is just a few steps away, they send these "low-valued" victims to TTSH?!? Reminds me of the same incident some years back at Bugis which is right next to Raffles Medical Hospital, but sent to some far away hospital. 

I think always the same arrangement when accident happen near private hospital, the ambulance would not send the casualties to there de and would only send to nearest govt hospital.

I dont know is there some special ruling between private and govt hospital?

Anyway, this freak accident reminds me of the accident happened outside yio chu kang mrt that a lorry crashed onto pedestrians standing at the footpath!

[inlinesix]

1 minute ago, Mercury1 said:

Acknowledge that cabbies are no saints either but we are seeing more reckelsss phv on the road not to mention they have a higher chance of playing around with the phones while driving due to the nature of the way their business is conducted.

Maybe it should be enforced that all drivers take regular test, any drivers found being errant using their phones etc while driving the companies or incidences like this companies grab will also get penalize. Unless these companies are held responsible for their drivers actions they have no incentive to ensure their drivers are kept in line, this way any 90 year old with a driving license can go become a grab driver.

Nowadays, data is king. 

Just implement pay-as-you-use insurance confirm all taxi and PHV drivers will behave properly on road.

It is easy to implement since product is readily available.

To get TDVL/PDVL, applicant needs to pass through health test and written exam.  It is not ez for a 90 years old ho.

 

[Yewheng]

@Philipkee need your comment.. As there are many people comment on Facebook that regarding the accident yesterday at lucky plaza. They are questioning why these people who are injured are not sent to Mount e which is just few hundreds Meters away but got sent to ttsh instead.. I am sure you know the answer why. We would like to know the reasoning.. 

Edited December 30, 2019 by Yewheng

[inlinesix]

Just now, Yewheng said:

@Philipkee need your comment.. As there are many people comment on Facebook that regarding the accident case yesterday in lucky plaza. They are questioning why these people who are injured are not sent to Mount e which is just few hundreds Meters away but got sent to ttsh instead.. I am sure you know the answer why. We would like to know the reasoning.. 

Go to Lucky Plaza crash thread.  The answer is there.

[Yewheng]

1 minute ago, inlinesix said:

Go to Lucky Plaza crash thread.  The answer is there.

Oh thanks.. 

[Philipkee]

Just sharing something from my nursing days. Died - means heart not beating. Declared dead - means time the doctor stop all efforts to save the person and heart is not beating. There is a difference. Cos if CPR is being performed (assuming its heart not beating), the person is already dead. Assume no miracle happens. He goes to ane and there is another half an hour of cpr done. Then they stop all efforts. And declare him dead. Time of death is listed as half an hour after arriving at hospital but in reality patient might be already dead before ambulance came to the patient. Just sharing this because in HWZ, sometimes I read of such cases and people speculate the person was declared dead in hospital means he was brought in alive and it was the hospital who could not save him.

So just sharing so that when u read the news you know what they are actually saying.

I am NOT commenting on this case specifically.  Just in general.

Edited December 30, 2019 by Philipkee

[13177]

13 hours ago, Picnic06-Biante15 said:

64 yrs old out driving PHV to earn a living ..... 😔

I saw that there are even much more older driver out there driving to earn a living nowadays.

[Kusje]

10 hours ago, Vratenza said:

My feel is that she was already gone by the time they coordinated to lift the vezel. 

The impact of the crash, fall from 3m, having the full weight of car (with broken suspension) resting on the chest, she would have been asphyxiated if not from her other injuries. 

But yeah, even if to pull her out, the person should have taken more care even in the state of panic/adrenaline rush. 

Those bystanders screaming from above are not helping. 

I think the bystanders are also panicked. Can't blame them.

4 hours ago, No_worries said:

I just saw the news in this morning Monday straits times and yes it is a private hire Vezel.

Most of these private hire jokers got no sense of the road and directions, they just simply rely in GPS to get around . Relying too much on GPS to get around will make one lazy and you won’t learn as much of the place than if you would to get a little lost and then retrace the path .
 

Just yesterday, I was along Upper Serangoon Road when I saw a private hire driver attempting to make a sharp left turn into Serangoon Nex from the middle lane. It is obvious he miss the slip road a while ago. He was stopped by a barrage of cars flashing their high beam and sounding their horns. Such is irresponsible driving .

 

I don't see anything wrong with relying on GPS. I also always use GPS when I drive as I am not familiar with most of the roads. 

You can use GPS and still drive safely - in fact, GPS is much safer than having to rely on a stupid physical map.

12 hours ago, RadX said:

We can agree to disagree here and some puritans think otherwise

 

let them be

Videos are good. I used to be a subscriber of /r/watchpeopledie and then whiners got it closed down.

[Kusje]

29 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

Nowadays, data is king. 

Just implement pay-as-you-use insurance confirm all taxi and PHV drivers will behave properly on road.

It is easy to implement since product is readily available.

To get TDVL/PDVL, applicant needs to pass through health test and written exam.  It is not ez for a 90 years old ho.

 

Wasn't there a shitty taxi ipo that got cancelled because of insurance premiums? orbi goot.

[Yewheng]

6 minutes ago, Philipkee said:

Just sharing something from my nursing days. Died - means heart not beating. Declared dead - means time the doctor stop all efforts to save the person and heart is not beating. There is a difference. Cos if CPR is being performed (assuming its heart not beating), the person is already dead. Assume no miracle happens. He goes to ane and there is another half an hour of cpr done. Then they stop all efforts. And declare him dead. Time of death is listed as half an hour after arriving at hospital but in reality patient might be already dead before ambulance came to the patient. Just sharing this because in HWZ, sometimes I read of such cases and people speculate the person was declared dead in hospital means he was brought in alive and it was the hospital who could not save him.

So just sharing so that when u read the news you know what they are actually saying.

I am NOT commenting on this case specifically.  Just in general.

Thanks.. We now have a better understanding on this topic.. 

[Kusje]

13 hours ago, Ct3833 said:

Very insulting of you to use the word "low-valued", I dont believe this is the SCDF view of the affected people there . 

SCDF has their protocol, they have to send an emergency patient to the appropriate hospital, usually it is the nearest , provided the hospital is "appropriate " in that it has the facility and capacity to take the patient.

Who will pay for the bill at the end of the day if a patient is unable to pay for the bill if he/she is sent  to a private hospital ? 

I'm confused. Are you saying it is not due to money but protocol? 

Except you say that protocol is as such because of money?

[Watwheels]

All lives are precious regardless of whether they are Philipinas working here. May the two ladies RIP. 😥

Let's hope and pray the surviving ones can get thru the ordeal and fully recover.