Lucky Plaza PHV Crash: 2 Filipinas Killed Instantly, 4 Seriously Injured - 29/12/19

[Shibadog]

18 minutes ago, Thaiyotakamli said:

I am not saying send to Mt E but maybe staffs and on duty doctor at Mt E can come and assist upon informed by passerby since its across the street. I believe they can do basic paramedic like doing CPR and stop the bleeding first while waiting for TTSH ambulance to come. Imagine u are bleeding for 10 mins waiting for ambulance to reach you. 

 

The report mentioned that the two died before reaching the hospital. 

 

I can imagine if theres another crash incident at Mt E taxi drop off area, would the patient wait TTSH ambulance to reach or get Mt E staff to tend first?

 

 

are you suggesting that the MT E staff would have ignored it if it happened literally on their doorstep?

 

"In a Facebook post on Monday, Dr Yeo said the hospital's A&E team would have responded immediately had it been activated or informed of the incident on Sunday.

He said it learnt later from news reports that the Singapore Civil Defence Force (SCDF) was activated and had arrived to attend to the casualties."

 

it seems like they weren't even made aware of it until later. Basically no one told them. How to blame them? Blame the passersby for not calling them?

[RadX]

3 minutes ago, JohnSHL said:

 

are you suggesting that the MT E staff would have ignored it if it happened literally on their doorstep?

 

"In a Facebook post on Monday, Dr Yeo said the hospital's A&E team would have responded immediately had it been activated or informed of the incident on Sunday.

He said it learnt later from news reports that the Singapore Civil Defence Force (SCDF) was activated and had arrived to attend to the casualties."

 

it seems like they weren't even made aware of it until later. Basically no one told them. How to blame them? Blame the passersby for not calling them?

Passerby busy w photos and in euphoric shock with bouts of hyperventilation through all that screaming

[Shibadog]

4 minutes ago, RadX said:

Passerby busy w photos and in euphoric shock with bouts of hyperventilation through all that screaming

on a serious note, most probably thought calling 995 is sufficient. But not aware that 995 doesn't activate Mt E (AFAIK)

[therock]

4 minutes ago, JohnSHL said:

 

are you suggesting that the MT E staff would have ignored it if it happened literally on their doorstep?

 

"In a Facebook post on Monday, Dr Yeo said the hospital's A&E team would have responded immediately had it been activated or informed of the incident on Sunday.

He said it learnt later from news reports that the Singapore Civil Defence Force (SCDF) was activated and had arrived to attend to the casualties."

 

it seems like they weren't even made aware of it until later. Basically no one told them. How to blame them? Blame the passersby for not calling them?

bro, it will now go into details, and I may not have the medical know how to answer this but:

- stabilise - what is the definition?

Eg, someone falls down, and needs a cast and plaster, no worries, Mt E can come and do that - 'stabilise' until SCDF comes

If there's a huge stabbing wound that needs immediately surgery, so the Mt E A&E MO comes out, yep, there isn't a big A&E in Mt E... and says surgery is needed, who do they call?

So he stands there, say, presses on the wound, and someone in the A&E who has a chest pain gets a heart attack episode, and needs help, will he rush in or stay with the stabbing wound.

There is also a lot of middle group which is hard to define. Either we say, let's pay for all kinds of cases to be treated at Mt E, which they will then gladly accept and claim from US, don't say government, because "government" is US... then yes, everyone contributes even when some old aunty now insists it's her Singaporean right to refuse to go to TTSH, but insists on Mt E treatment..

Fake news? No... these happen... or the pensioner who insists on extra meds, which he either stores or gives to his buddies, because he is entitled, as a CSC card holder...  these are real incidents now...

I would like to do the socialist thing, but are we responsible enough in our society? I'm not confident... 

[Thaiyotakamli]

14 minutes ago, JohnSHL said:

 

are you suggesting that the MT E staff would have ignored it if it happened literally on their doorstep?

 

"In a Facebook post on Monday, Dr Yeo said the hospital's A&E team would have responded immediately had it been activated or informed of the incident on Sunday.

He said it learnt later from news reports that the Singapore Civil Defence Force (SCDF) was activated and had arrived to attend to the casualties."

 

it seems like they weren't even made aware of it until later. Basically no one told them. How to blame them? Blame the passersby for not calling them?

It seems like passerby call 995 but forgot behind them is Mt E A&E

 

if its a trauma case mt e said cannot handle so even happen at doorstep better wait TTSH ambulance to come? 

Edited December 31, 2019 by Thaiyotakamli

[Apple-Tree]

8 minutes ago, JohnSHL said:

 

are you suggesting that the MT E staff would have ignored it if it happened literally on their doorstep?

 

"In a Facebook post on Monday, Dr Yeo said the hospital's A&E team would have responded immediately had it been activated or informed of the incident on Sunday.

He said it learnt later from news reports that the Singapore Civil Defence Force (SCDF) was activated and had arrived to attend to the casualties."

 

it seems like they weren't even made aware of it until later. Basically no one told them. How to blame them? Blame the passersby for not calling them?

Of course, this is TOTALLY untrue, any trained or untrained public will DO SOMETHING.

In one incident, a MT E Security Guard collapse while ON DUTY, MT E IMMEDIATELY attend to this individual in need of immediate medical attention.  He is saved with a Bypass ??. The medical bill is also very cheap at 90~100K as reported by ST, ya....

[RadX]

6 minutes ago, Apple-Tree said:

Of course, this is TOTALLY untrue, any trained or untrained public will DO SOMETHING.

In one incident, a MT E Security Guard collapse while ON DUTY, MT E IMMEDIATELY attend to this individual in need of immediate medical attention.  He is saved with a Bypass ??. The medical bill is also very cheap at 90~100K as reported by ST, ya....

Yes that was gleneagles 

 

surgeon waived the fees and hospital also did sth to help

 

 

[Shibadog]

3 minutes ago, Thaiyotakamli said:

It seems like passerby call 995 but forgot behind them is Mt E A&E

 

if its a trauma case mt e said cannot handle so even happen at doorstep better wait TTSH ambulance to come? 

next time calling 995 should also activate all medical personnel and facilities within a 1km radius for immediate action. 

 

yes maybe they will stand guard around the casualty (but hands off) till SCDF ambulance arrive.

[RadX]

7 minutes ago, Apple-Tree said:

Of course, this is TOTALLY untrue, any trained or untrained public will DO SOMETHING.

In one incident, a MT E Security Guard collapse while ON DUTY, MT E IMMEDIATELY attend to this individual in need of immediate medical attention.  He is saved with a Bypass ??. The medical bill is also very cheap at 90~100K as reported by ST, ya....

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/gleneagles-hospital-to-waive-medical-bill-for-security-guard-who-suffered-heart

[RadX]

Just now, JohnSHL said:

next time calling 995 should also activate all medical personnel and facilities within a 1km radius for immediate action. 

 

yes maybe they will stand guard around the casualty (but hands off) till SCDF ambulance arrive.

The way the victim was dragged out , sigh...

 

she was

limp ledy

[Unfazed]

3 hours ago, RogerNg_185295 said:

Are you a doctor? If not please dun assume 

Last day of 2019 also no rest & must post crappy & shit stirring stuffs...狗嘴里长不出象牙，狗改不了吃屎. 

Edited December 31, 2019 by Unfazed

[therock]

Just now, RadX said:

The way the victim was dragged out , sigh...

 

she was

limp ledy

Hollywood and society in SG have given very unrealistic expectations.. so they expect miracles and also free treatment..

[RadX]

Just now, therock said:

Hollywood and society in SG have given very unrealistic expectations.. so they expect miracles and also free treatment..

Ikr 

 

tahts why I say “a little education is largely dangerous “

[Thaiyotakamli]

4 minutes ago, JohnSHL said:

next time calling 995 should also activate all medical personnel and facilities within a 1km radius for immediate action. 

 

yes maybe they will stand guard around the casualty (but hands off) till SCDF ambulance arrive.

Maybe scdf can work with private hospitals so can dispatch nearest ambulance to send to TTSH? 

It will be faster to send victim by Mt E ambulance than waiting TTSH? 

[RogerNg_185295]

4 minutes ago, therock said:

Hollywood and society in SG have given very unrealistic expectations.. so they expect miracles and also free treatment..

Being a non welfare state,  nothing can be considered really free in Singapore.

[therock]

2 minutes ago, Thaiyotakamli said:

Maybe scdf can work with private hospitals so can dispatch nearest ambulance to send to TTSH? 

It will be faster to send victim by Mt E ambulance than waiting TTSH? 

The private hospital ambulances are very very different from the SCDF ones... 

Think typical Audi A3 or A4 vs a fully loaded full featured car..... 

[Shibadog]

1 minute ago, RadX said:

The way the victim was dragged out , sigh...

 

she was

limp ledy

hard to blame the passers-by (who are probably untrained) for trying to help, even if they unwittingly cause more damage in the process. Lucky the car didn't burst into flames like the Eng Neo incident.

 

years ago, my colleague in Jakarta got hit by a fast moving motorcycle while crossing a road there. The people around tried to help by sending her to hospital via a motorbike

Fortunately she was still conscious enough to ask them to get a taxi (wait long long for ambulance there) 

In the end, hospital found 3 fractures in the right femur and fibula. 2mths in hospital, 4mths MC after that.

[RadX]

5 minutes ago, RogerNg_185295 said:

Being a non welfare state,  nothing can be considered really free in Singapore.

Yup

 

thts why Sgsecure advocates first aid and cpr/aed training for many as then the individual would be equipped with basic knowledge of what to do in such an event as a first responder