FT discrimination agst locals

[Kyrios]

1 hour ago, Sdf4786k said:

yeah.. am very sure GRAB and Go Jek still non-discrimintory... deliveroo and Grab food also .

In fact Singtel also not too bad

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/fatal-crash-family-of-late-director-sues-for-over-1m

The family of Irish expat Donough Andrew Keane, who died after a traffic accident on the Central Expressway (CTE) in 2015, is seeking compensation of more than $1 million from the two drivers involved.

Mr Keane's brother and administrator of his estate, Mr Colin Joseph Keane, has filed a claim against taxi driver Ko Ngak Phweng and part-time driver Tan Yeow Kim for damages and the loss suffered by his parents from their negligence.

According to court documents filed by the plaintiff, the late Mr Keane was working as a director of information technology at Singtel and earning a monthly average of $20,372, including allowances.

 

Wow..this paints a very true picture..sinkies having to chauffeur rich towkay FTs around...but wait..some will say we sinkies are mediocre, CMI, not talented, not from Ivy League..that's whay we landed in these shit...oh well..

Edited January 2, 2020 by Kyrios

[Throttle2]

1 hour ago, Sdf4786k said:

yeah.. am very sure GRAB and Go Jek still non-discrimintory... deliveroo and Grab food also .

In fact Singtel also not too bad

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/fatal-crash-family-of-late-director-sues-for-over-1m

The family of Irish expat Donough Andrew Keane, who died after a traffic accident on the Central Expressway (CTE) in 2015, is seeking compensation of more than $1 million from the two drivers involved.

Mr Keane's brother and administrator of his estate, Mr Colin Joseph Keane, has filed a claim against taxi driver Ko Ngak Phweng and part-time driver Tan Yeow Kim for damages and the loss suffered by his parents from their negligence.

According to court documents filed by the plaintiff, the late Mr Keane was working as a director of information technology at Singtel and earning a monthly average of $20,372, including allowances.

As a result of the accident, his life was "considerably shortened" at age 41 and his aged parents who were dependent on him have suffered, said his brother, who is represented by Mr Nandakumar Renganathan and Ms Shalini Mogan from RHTLaw Taylor Wessing.

On May 6 that year, Mr Ko was ferrying Mr Keane and another passenger, Mr Anthony Gerard John Hall, from the airport to Cairnhill at around midnight.

While travelling on the CTE, the taxi driver failed to see a limousine that had stopped in the left-most lane, and crashed into the black Mercedes-Benz driven by Ms Tan.

Ms Tan was driving Mr Charles Robert Allenbach Jr to his Bukit Timah home when she missed the Bukit Timah Road exit, stopped the car, and reversed against the flow of traffic to get to the exit.

In October 2016, Mr Ko admitted failing to keep a proper lookout and by the time he saw the Mercedes, it was too late to stop. His taxi hit the back of the car, which surged forward and hit a bollard.

While the other two passengers survived the collision, Mr Keane was pronounced dead at Tan Tock Seng Hospital at around 2.20am.

Mr Ko, then 58, was sentenced to three weeks' jail and banned from driving for five years, while Ms Tan, then 57, was sentenced to four weeks' jail and banned from driving for five years for dangerous driving.

Relying on the fact that they had pleaded guilty to their offences, Mr Keane's brother is seeking damages in excess of $1 million, including a monthly $1,500 allowance to each parent since the death of Mr Keane in 2015 and up to 10 years following the completion of the lawsuit, as well as funeral expenses and grief counselling for his parents.

Mr Ko, represented by lawyers from United Legal Alliance, and Ms Tan, represented by lawyers from Tan Kok Quan Partnership, have denied the claims. They both note that Mr Keane was himself negligent in not wearing a seat belt.

Director 41 yrs old, $20k per mth.  
Can lah.  Mai hiam can do

[Fcw75]

10 hours ago, Sdf4786k said:

looks like 9 years late and maybe hundred of thousands of Singaporean has being affected.

Now a change to help the Singaporean. I wonder what has become of us when it takes such a lengthy amount of time to react.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/mom-to-update-government-framework-that-deters-employers-from-discriminating-against

SINGAPORE - The Government rules that ensure that employers do not discriminate against Singaporean workers by hiring foreigners will be updated this year.

Minister for Manpower Josephine Teo announced plans to update the Fair Consideration Framework in a Facebook post on Wednesday (Jan 1).

"Expect stronger deterrence for discrimination against Singaporeans when hiring, but also stronger support for employers who are committed to giving our people a fair chance," she said, without giving details of the review.

In her Facebook post, Ms Teo spelt out the Manpower Ministry's key milestones in 2019, such as adopting a 10-year road map to raise retirement and re-employment ages. She also noted that workplace fatalities have declined consistently since 2015 and sustained a record low rate of 1.2 per 100,000 workers for the past two consecutive years.

The Fair Consideration Framework was introduced in August 2014 on the back of a slowdown in the inflow of foreign workers after Singaporeans voiced unhappiness about them taking away good-paying professional, managerial and executive (PME) jobs from locals.

Under the rules then, companies with more than 25 employees must advertise professional, managerial and executive posts that pay less than $12,000 a month. The advertisements need to run for at least 14 days before the firms can apply to the Ministry of Manpower for an Employment Pass (EP) for a foreigner.

The framework was last updated in July 2018 to cover firms with more than 10 employees and jobs that pay less than $15,000 a month.

Under the framework, firms found to be favouring foreigners in hiring are placed on an MOM watchlist and their applications for EPs are scrutinised more closely.  Since 2016, the ministry has placed about 600 firms on the watchlist. A total of 2,300 EP applications have been rejected or withheld by MOM, or withdrawn by employers. 

Some 260 firms were taken off the watchlist after their hiring practices improved. 

The Fair Consideration Framework was introduced in August 2014 on the back of a slowdown in the inflow of foreign workers after Singaporeans voiced unhappiness about them taking away good-paying professional, managerial and executive (PME) jobs from locals.

Under the rules then, companies with more than 25 employees must advertise professional, managerial and executive posts that pay less than $12,000 a month. The advertisements need to run for at least 14 days before the firms can apply to the Ministry of Manpower for an Employment Pass (EP) for a foreigner.

The framework was last updated in July 2018 to cover firms with more than 10 employees and jobs that pay less than $15,000 a month.

Under the framework, firms found to be favouring foreigners in hiring are placed on an MOM watchlist and their applications for EPs are scrutinised more closely.  Since 2016, the ministry has placed about 600 firms on the watchlist. A total of 2,300 EP applications have been rejected or withheld by MOM, or withdrawn by employers. 

Some 260 firms were taken off the watchlist after their hiring practices improved. 

Thanks for leading me here.

 

Here, right here in SINGAPORE, companies are actually discriminating against SINGAPOREANS?! 

That is sad.

[Solar]

3 hours ago, Fcw75 said:

Thanks for leading me here.

 

Here, right here in SINGAPORE, companies are actually discriminating against SINGAPOREANS?! 

That is sad.

At my workplace.. The first wave of management and leadership retrenchment are Singaporeans.

No foreigner was known to be included in the kill list. Even a recently hired CECA got to keep his job. 

[Sdf4786k]

9 hours ago, Beregond said:

no 1 own us a living, this is forever true.

we will go down the hill the day when we believe some 1 own us a living (like hk now)

but while this is very true, it dun mean we cannot speak up take action and complain against unfair practices and discrimination on us. 

its 2 different thing.

i dont think of it that way where its either yes, someone owe us a living as in I do my time in NS. Now is pay back time. - "owe me a living "type where my whole life now revolves around the nation and reservist.  

OR

No One owes me a living, but that does not mean everyone for themselves.

You look at CECA and the drunken riot. Imagine the amount of unity at that moment of drunkenness.

You move that spirit of togetherness in the workforce where all citizen unites to build a better tomorrow today, instead of competing against one another to get one up. You have an awesome workforce that will build a better nation.

Of course I am talking about utopia. But isn't that what was our labour standard and united front when we face a crisis like SARS years ago?

Only time when we were confused and lost was when Mat nasi lemak went on a transgender journey to escape from a maximum-security detention place.

Then again, it gave us new hope in the human spirit to be able to be in the Olympics.

Because, If someone is lame in one leg can jump over the wall and into Malaysia, anything is possible for us.

Its only what roadblock we put in front of us. Let us not talk about Problems, only solution.

After that, If you still have the energy after completing the solution, rewind the tape and see who say what to who and hold the bugger accountable.

Edited January 2, 2020 by Sdf4786k

[Sdf4786k]

7 hours ago, Victor68 said:

Of course there will be some that say if you are good, no problem finding job here. Got problem got MOM. I still remember those statements. 

I wonder why government suddenly realise they need to do something.  Election related or really understand the masses? Got quota for many things including COE, why not CECA leh? Just check companies with high percentage of foreigners,  no need for whatever recruitment policies. 

Even when they recruit locals, what kind of job assignment were given. Fair or according to nationality? Start with the big companies and the answers are all there.

If you want to find a solution, do a tax on over quota. Money in the pocket for IRAS, what's not to like.

If you breach and hanky panky and get caught. Its consider tax evasion. CEO goes to jail. You see got wake up call or not. Of course CEo will say, its Tax avoidance. But if you sniff around and check on cross-boundary services and taxes, I am sure there's a couple of million dollars worth of plough back of cross-boundary taxes from years gone by.

Edited January 2, 2020 by Sdf4786k

[Freeder]

Sinkies are dafts , aren’t they?

[Ash2017]

10 hours ago, RadX said:

By your admission you aldy say cosplay

 

nuff said.. means you see it as nothing so thus, it is nothing

 

ownself say ownself 

the only things that are real

the world is unfair, we need to face reality

if you want to do charity then dont have expectation in return for something

in real life, often nobody cares a shxt about you except when you got use to them

sometimes you are dead right but just accept you are wrong so that everyone can move forward

we don't realize we practice double standards everyday, one for ourselves and another for others

sometimes you got to loose some to gain big

there are no forever friends or enemy

better to make friends than enemy

in any business deal, always leave something for everyone on the table, dont take everything, in doing so, more business will come your way

no point complaining, unless you can change the current situation, otherwise work around it

you really don't have to like someone to work well with them

always do your best in everything you do even if it is only a small job

make sure your word is as valuable as gold, if you say you will do it, make sure you do, people will remember you and would count on you

 

 

 

[Heartbreakid]

Many years ago, the people are being blamed for not giving birth to contribute to the population growth and hence contributing to our economy when the time comes. Therefore it was said hiring FT was the only choice to sustain. Needless to say who or which party said such statement.

 

The people are always the one right in front to feel the aftermath impact of their implementation, be it entering Uni, finding job, buying HDBs, etc. Only when things gone south and after the people feedback then those ultimate high pay officials will step in.

This era of whatever they call 3G, 4G or 100G leaders are very much less competent as compared to those during LKY rise. And they make mistake can still hold their throne with high pay.

[Victor68]

I don't think the majority of the people, including MCF members here objected to FT or rather allowing foreigners joining our work force. Afterall, we also go overseas and do need certain sectors of workers. Simple example are domestic helper, security and construction.  

CECA is a classic example what we should never even consider. Having companies here with big pool of foreigners employees also show something very lacking. Who is responsible for protecting the citizens rights? Not an issue then no need to review this discrimination. 

[Ixus75]

22 hours ago, Ct3833 said:

 HR these days have no more influences, their job is to help  ensure maximum FT without running into trouble with MOM, the one who make hiring decision is business unit.

FT HR will give you 99% FT CVs and tell you no local apply or qualify.

[Kusje]

14 hours ago, Fcw75 said:

Thanks for leading me here.

 

Here, right here in SINGAPORE, companies are actually discriminating against SINGAPOREANS?! 

That is sad.

If you are the boss looking to keep a lean structure, will you hire a singaporean who has to run off for weeks every year - might even be during the peak periods. Or hire someone whom you know will be here when you need them?

[Mockngbrd]

I don't like what is happening with discrimination against locals but sometimes it is bo bian when local fresh grads with no real work experience expectant celery is 4-5k p/mth for Jr level jobs. Want to hire also cannot afford. Esp. the younger gen, not that many actually bother to apply for job. All want to be YouTuber, open cafe, influencer, etc.... Parents all got $$$$ like those full cash type here. 

Last time ever kenna heard before someone ask 6k.l for Jr level. Asked why they ask so high? "becos rent in sg very expensive" 

Also encounter before intern quit after 1 week go travel instead. Drive Benz/BMW to work, depending which car is available at home on that day. 

Another one, Jr level, 1st week come to work consistently late, put whisky in her water bottle, come to work hungover. Bf walk into office escort her out without even knocking door. 

So not all companies are out to hiam locals. All the above examples are locals. There are of cos many good locals, but these ginnahs really makes one very exasperated. 

Edited January 3, 2020 by Mockngbrd

[Kusje]

11 hours ago, Solar said:

At my workplace.. The first wave of management and leadership retrenchment are Singaporeans.

No foreigner was known to be included in the kill list. Even a recently hired CECA got to keep his job. 

sad!

26 minutes ago, Ixus75 said:

FT HR will give you 99% FT CVs and tell you no local apply or qualify.

But they will also provide solutions on how to get pass mom requirements.

49 minutes ago, Victor68 said:

I don't think the majority of the people, including MCF members here objected to FT or rather allowing foreigners joining our work force. Afterall, we also go overseas and do need certain sectors of workers. Simple example are domestic helper, security and construction.  

CECA is a classic example what we should never even consider. Having companies here with big pool of foreigners employees also show something very lacking. Who is responsible for protecting the citizens rights? Not an issue then no need to review this discrimination. 

You don't think this is unfair for the lower educated Singaporeans? They have to accept lower salary and compete with foreign workers but PMETs cannot hold their own against CECA?

[Kusje]

Just now, Mockngbrd said:

I don't like what is happening with discrimination against locals but sometimes it is bo bian when local fresh grads with no real work experience expectant celery is 4-5k p/mth for Jr level jobs. Want to hire also cannot afford. 

Last time ever kenna heard before someone ask 6k. Asked why they ask so high? "becos rent in sg very expensive" 

 

So not all companies are out to hiam locals. 

Is it the fellow asking for 6k that cannot find a job now? Or getting retrenched? No problem to ask for 6k if you bring 6k of value - whether as a fresh grad or exp hire, also the same.

There are "fresh grads" out there looking for 2.5k. Why don't hire them? Because they come from lousy uni like SIM and have poor results?

[Mockngbrd]

3 minutes ago, Kusje said:

There are "fresh grads" out there looking for 2.5k. Why don't hire them? Because they come from lousy uni like SIM and have poor results?

Becos dun hav such "fresh grads" applying at all. 

[Kusje]

5 minutes ago, Mockngbrd said:

Becos dun hav such "fresh grads" applying at all. 

send your HR to set up booth at SIM or PSB academy roadshow next time.

[Mockngbrd]

3 minutes ago, Kusje said:

send your HR to set up booth at SIM or PSB academy roadshow next time.

Last time my ex workplace small company le. Sure kenna tell go fly kite. You think i GIC ah? 

Edited January 3, 2020 by Mockngbrd