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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-crash-canada-intelligence/western-intelligence-agencies-see-no-signs-ukraine-airliner-was-shot-down-canadian-source-idUSKBN1Z72Q7

Western intelligence agencies see no signs Ukraine airliner was shot down: Canadian source

OTTAWA (Reuters) - The initial assessment of Western intelligence agencies is that a Ukrainian airliner which crashed in Iran on Wednesday was not brought down by a missile, said a Canadian security source.

The source, who declined to be identified, said the agencies believed the Boeing (BA.N) 737 plane had suffered a technical malfunction. The Ukraine International Airline jet crashed shortly after takeoff from Tehran, killing all 176 people on board.

The disaster occurred shortly after Iran launched a series of missile attacks against two military bases in Iraq that housed U.S. troops.

โ€œThe initial assessment of Western intelligence agencies is that the plane was not brought down by a missile. There is no evidence to suggest that,โ€ said the source.

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Of course, now blame everything on Iran and Russia.

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I must be the rare few who still sarpok trumpy...but even then..I have to say this time round the lives lost are on him....cos without the general's killing probably none of this mistaken missile shooting would have happened.ย  Probably the Canadians will hate him further as the majority KIA are Canadian nationals.

But then again reports are saying the Canadian nationalsย KIA are not true blue Canadians but rather converted newly minted citizens from Iran...ย so...difficult to say the sentiment within Canada against trumpy.

RIP.

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5 hours ago, BanCoe said:

Maybe thatโ€™s why they refuse to submit the black box and now say itโ€™s badly damaged ........ was it a heat seeking missile ?? So many conspiracy theories will now spawnย 

Because they could not trust the country of theย manufacturer?

Anyway, the initial report is out and NTSB (i.e. USA) is invited in it:

"ย An initial notification was sent to Ukraine as the State of registry and the
operator, the NTSB as the State of design and manufacture, Sweden (SHK),
Canada (TSB), and Afghanistan CAO as the States whose citizens suffered
fatal injuries in this accident. Ukraine requested to participate in the accident
investigation process, and introduced a go-team to identify and transfer their
nationals' corpses, and perform other responsibilities resting with the
country registering and operating the aircraft in such conditions, which has
already arrived in Iran.

In accordance with the Annex 13, the investigation team would like to invite
all the States involved in the accident to participate in the investigation
process."

From a translated report from this source:

Source:ย https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Iran-CAO-PS752-Initial-Report.pdf

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Next consider this 19 Nov 2019 Business Insider article:

https://www.businessinsider.sg/boeing-737ng-engine-casing-southwest-accident-ntsb-2019-11/?r=US&IR=T

with the headline "The NTSB says Boeing should redesign the engine housing on its 737 jets, which was partly to blame for a deadly Southwest accident."

Extract:ย 

"Federal transportation safety investigators said that Boeing should redesign the engine housing on its 737 New Generation (NG) planes, following a deadly catastrophe on Southwest flight 1380 in April of last year.

One passenger died after an engine fan blade broke on the Southwest flight from New Yorkโ€™s La Guardia Airport to Dallas Love Field. The fan caused the engine housing to break apart โ€“ a piece of debris hit the body of the 737-700 and broke a window, causing the cabin to rapidly lose pressure.

There are about 7,000 737 NG planes that have been delivered to customers since the plane type was introduced in the late-1990s. The NTSB called on Boeing and the planeโ€™s operators to retrofit all existing planes with the newly designed part."

If that part had hit a wing full of fuel, likely to be catastrophic explosion in air type of accident.ย  PS752 is using the same plane.

What is mote likely?

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On 1/8/2020 at 5:29 PM, kobayashiGT said:

Woah. Australia got bush fire, Iran plane accident. I can see that 2020 is not a good year.

RIP to all the victims. ๐Ÿ˜ž

add in Brexit saga

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6 hours ago, BabyBlade said:

For such a major statement to have been made within 3 days of the crash, they must have tangible evidence. Classified, till Trump decides to spill the beans which high chance he might.ย 

But again, multiple sources = US sources?ย 

Nothing can bring back the innocent lives lost, mistake or not technical issue or not.ย 

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it can be a pack of lies from Trump.ย ย 

He can make use of this incident, to say its missile from Iran.ย  And let the world see Iran as the mean bad guy, while he sits back and drink Coke.ย  Let the tension buildย up and he gathers his Allies to start war on Iran.

Who is to know?ย  Iran is also scared coz they are not even sure if their soldiers fire the missile or not.ย  ย Even if Iran can come up to say they got proof that no missile were fired, how many will believe them?ย 

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4 hours ago, Blueray said:

the area is quite likely already under radar / drone / satellite surveillance by US military, so they probably have the data on hand to make this conclusion.

let's see what Iran has to say about it, 82 of their citizens were on the plane.

Lol. Iran had quite large scale protests and riots in late 2019.ย  Suppression by their paramilitary and police, estimated at least few hundred people died. Haha don't hear a peep...

They will never admit it... At most act blur.ย 

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44 minutes ago, Kyrios said:

I must be the rare few who still sarpok trumpy...but even then..I have to say this time round the lives lost are on him....cos without the general's killing probably none of this mistaken missile shooting would have happened.ย  Probably the Canadians will hate him further as the majority KIA are Canadian nationals.

But then again reports are saying the Canadian nationalsย KIA are not true blue Canadians but rather converted newly minted citizens from Iran...ย so...difficult to say the sentiment within Canada against trumpy.

RIP.

His comment initially was unusually subdued by his standards. Think he also knows...ย 

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26 minutes ago, Jusnel said:

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it can be a pack of lies from Trump.ย ย 

He can make use of this incident, to say its missile from Iran.ย  And let the world see Iran as the mean bad guy, while he sits back and drink Coke.ย  Let the tension buildย up and he gathers his Allies to start war on Iran.

Who is to know?ย  Iran is also scared coz they are not even sure if their soldiers fire the missile or not.ย  ย Even if Iran can come up to say they got proof that no missile were fired, how many will believe them?ย 

I think trudeau would be crucified and probably impeached (or whatever Canadian version) if he was found to have outright lied to his own citizens about death of multiple Canadian citizens.ย 

So I'm more inclined to believe that the radar evidence must be quite solid.ย 

Seeing SAMs on radar is not difficult as long as u are monitoring actively. Given the heightened tensions, very likely usa were having awacs and kc135 surveillance of any ballistic missile launches. They operate in Turkish or iraq/Saudi Arabian airspace.ย 

And surely after the cock up, military radio channels will be full of talk on who cocked up...ย 

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all this is theory only,

1 theory include US send a stealth fighter in and shoot it down , and make it look like iran job.

is US going to open up their data for 3rd party to check??

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3 hours ago, Kyrios said:

I must be the rare few who still sarpok trumpy...but even then..I have to say this time round the lives lost are on him....cos without the general's killing probably none of this mistaken missile shooting would have happened.ย  Probably the Canadians will hate him further as the majority KIA are Canadian nationals.

But then again reports are saying the Canadian nationalsย KIA are not true blue Canadians but rather converted newly minted citizens from Iran...ย so...difficult to say the sentiment within Canada against trumpy.

RIP.

I was wondering why there areย so many Canadians in Tehran, can't be sightseeing there and/ or ย for business given the many US sanctions on Iranย 

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6 minutes ago, Playtime said:

The original Iranian videoย show the plane burning brightly all the way down.ย 

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This video realllyyyyy seem to show a missile strike .. but no burning after strike.ย 

So,ย  not sure if it's 2 separate incident.ย 

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The plane tried to turn back towards airport.ย 

If engine damaged initially, they would Be able to fly for a while.ย 

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2 hours ago, Beregond said:

all this is theory only,

1 theory include US send a stealth fighter in and shoot it down , and make it look like iran job.

is US going to open up their data for 3rd party to check??

Very difficult unless the radars in teheran are down in the first place. Stealth technology is not a miracle.

Even in the wars, they will have to target Sam site radars first to open a passage. Usually with tomahawks.ย 

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