NEW! Iran admits they shot down Ukrainian plane unintentionally

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27 minutes ago, BanCoe said:

Nostradamus seems right,

Old middle age is/was 40 new middle age is trending @ 54 now😁  or you have the Merdeka or Pioneer Kad

No lah I'm going by old mid age. 40s.

[BabyBlade]

Iran has said it will not hand over black box flight recorders recovered from a plane that crashed with 176 people on board to manufacturer Boeing or to the US.

The Ukrainian Boeing 737-800 went down just minutes after taking off from Tehran's airport, leaving no survivors.

Under global aviation rules, Iran has the right to lead the investigation.

But manufacturers are typically involved and experts say few countries are capable of analysing black boxes.

Ukrainian authorities are not ruling out that its plane, which crashed early on Wednesday in Iran killing all 176 passengers and crew on board, was downed by a missile or an attack amid a sharp escalation between Tehran and Washington.

The 176 victims onboard the Ukraine International Airlines flight that crashed after takeoff from Tehran on Wednesday hailed from various countries.

They included 82 Iranians, 63 Canadians, 11 Ukrainians, 10 Swedes, four Afghans, three Germans and three British nationals, according to a tweet from Ukrainian Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko.

[Watwheels]

Most unfortunate for the victims' families. They might never find out what happened to the plane.

[Mockngbrd]

2 hours ago, BabyBlade said:

Iran has said it will not hand over black box flight recorders recovered from a plane that crashed with 176 people on board to manufacturer Boeing or to the US.

The Ukrainian Boeing 737-800 went down just minutes after taking off from Tehran's airport, leaving no survivors.

Under global aviation rules, Iran has the right to lead the investigation.

But manufacturers are typically involved and experts say few countries are capable of analysing black boxes.

Ukrainian authorities are not ruling out that its plane, which crashed early on Wednesday in Iran killing all 176 passengers and crew on board, was downed by a missile or an attack amid a sharp escalation between Tehran and Washington.

The 176 victims onboard the Ukraine International Airlines flight that crashed after takeoff from Tehran on Wednesday hailed from various countries.

They included 82 Iranians, 63 Canadians, 11 Ukrainians, 10 Swedes, four Afghans, three Germans and three British nationals, according to a tweet from Ukrainian Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko.

ccb iran

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/08/business/boeing-iran-crash/index.html

 

787 NG. Really is NG. 

Edited January 9, 2020 by Mockngbrd

[Watwheels]

The Boeing 737-800 is the predecessor to the 737 Max. 

Past air crashes involving the 737-800 plane.

Your guess is as good as mine.

[Blueray]

IRANIAN MISSILE SYSTEM SHOT DOWN UKRAINE FLIGHT, PROBABLY BY MISTAKE, SOURCES SAY

https://www.newsweek.com/iranians-shot-down-ukraine-flight-mistake-sources-1481313

Edited January 9, 2020 by Blueray

[BabyBlade]

The Canadian prime minister said he had received intelligence from multiple sources indicating that the plane was shot down by an Iranian surface-to air missile, adding that it was possible that this was unintentional.

But he said it was too early to apportion blame or draw any conclusions, and he refused to go into detail about the evidence.

Evidence suggests an Iranian missile brought down a Ukrainian passenger plane that crashed near Tehran, possibly in error, Canadian PM Justin Trudeau has said.

Iran has ruled out a missile strike by its air defences.

The crash came just hours after Iran carried out missile strikes on two airbases housing US forces in Iraq.

A total of 63 Canadians were on the flight, along with dozens of others who were expecting to fly on to Toronto from Kyiv.

US media have speculated that the timing of the crash suggests the plane may have been mistaken for a US warplane as Iran prepared for possible US retaliation for the strikes.

CBS News quoted US intelligence sources as saying a satellite detected infrared "blips" of two missile launches, followed by another blip of an explosion.

Meanwhile, Newsweek quoted a Pentagon and senior US intelligence officials, as well as an Iraqi intelligence official, as saying they believed Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752 was hit by a Russian-made Tor missile.

Amid tensions heightened by the US killing of top Iranian general Qasem Soleimani on 3 January, Iran has said it will not hand over the recovered black box flight recorders to Boeing, the plane's manufacturer, or to the US.

However, before Mr Trudeau's remarks, CBS published a brief report on Twitter. It said this information was based on US intelligence, which sources said picked up signals of a radar being turned on.

US satellites also reportedly detected two missile launches shortly before the Ukrainian plane exploded.

Meanwhile, Newsweek quoted US and Iraqi officials as saying they believed the aircraft was hit by a Russia-built Tor M-1 surface-to-air missile system.

Two Pentagon officials had assessed that the incident was accidental, Newsweek added.

It quoted sources as saying that Iran's anti-aircraft systems were probably active following its attacks on the US airbases.

The Pentagon has so far made no public comment on the issue.

Meanwhile, when asked what he thought had happened to the plane, President Trump answered: "I have my suspicions. It's a tragic thing when I see that, it's a tragic thing. But somebody could have made a mistake on the other side.

Earlier on Thursday, Oleksiy Danylov, the secretary of Ukraine's security and defence council, said in a Facebook post (in Ukrainian) that three other possible crash causes were being considered:

- a mid-air collision with a drone or other flying object

- engine destruction/explosion due to technical reasons

- an explosion inside the plane as a result of a terror attack

Mr Danylov said Ukrainian investigators, who are already in Iran, wanted to search for possible debris from a missile at the site of the crash. Iran is known to have Russian missile defence systems.

The investigation would include experts who worked on the investigation into the 2014 downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine, Mr Danylov added.

 

Iran's Civil Aviation Organisation (CAOI) chief Ali Abedzadeh said: "The plane, which was initially headed west to leave the airport zone, turned right following a problem and was headed back to the airport at the moment of the crash."

Mr Abedzadeh added that witnesses saw the plane "on fire" before the crash, and that pilots had not made any distress calls before trying to return to Imam Khomeini airport.

"Scientifically, it is impossible that a missile hit the Ukrainian plane, and such rumours are illogical," he said.

"Several domestic and foreign flights were flying in Iranian space at the same altitude of 8,000ft (2,400m). The issue of the missile's impact on the aircraft cannot be true in any way," he said.

Mr Abedzadeh said the initial findings had been sent to Ukraine and the US, where Boeing has its headquarters.

Sweden and Canada had also been sent the findings, as their nationals were on board, he added.

A pattern of disturbing indications is emerging suggesting that Flight PS752 may well have been shot down by mistake by Iran's own air defences.

While it is not unprecedented for air defence systems in conflict zones to shoot down airliners, this would be an extraordinary error.

The aircraft had only just taken off from an international airport; it was a scheduled flight; and it should easily have been recognisable.

However, precisely what the operators of the Russian-supplied, Soviet-era Tor - or SA-15/Gauntlet system as it is known by Nato - would have seen is unclear.

All this is hugely embarrassing for the Iranian authorities and is only going to complicate the politics involved in getting to the bottom of this tragedy.

Ukraine and Iran must co-operate in the investigation.

A third country may be needed to analyse the data recorders carried by the doomed aircraft. The plane's manufacturer - Boeing - will have an interest, though the Iranians are publicly saying that there will be no US involvement.

[BabyBlade]

43 minutes ago, Blueray said:

IRANIAN MISSILE SYSTEM SHOT DOWN UKRAINE FLIGHT, PROBABLY BY MISTAKE, SOURCES SAY

https://www.newsweek.com/iranians-shot-down-ukraine-flight-mistake-sources-1481313

For such a major statement to have been made within 3 days of the crash, they must have tangible evidence. Classified, till Trump decides to spill the beans which high chance he might. 

But again, multiple sources = US sources? 

Nothing can bring back the innocent lives lost, mistake or not technical issue or not. 

 

[BanCoe]

Maybe that’s why they refuse to submit the black box and now say it’s badly damaged ........ was it a heat seeking missile ?? So many conspiracy theories will now spawn 

[Kusje]

1 hour ago, BabyBlade said:

For such a major statement to have been made within 3 days of the crash, they must have tangible evidence. Classified, till Trump decides to spill the beans which high chance he might. 

But again, multiple sources = US sources? 

Nothing can bring back the innocent lives lost, mistake or not technical issue or not. 

 

Maybe from the same sources who told them Saddam had wmds.

24 minutes ago, BanCoe said:

Maybe that’s why they refuse to submit the black box and now say it’s badly damaged ........ was it a heat seeking missile ?? So many conspiracy theories will now spawn 

Why would they hand over the black box to Boeing to tamper with? Not only is it an American company, they are also one of the biggest sellers of Americans weapons...

That being said, I'd be willing to put money on the Iranians being responsible just due to the timing of it.

[Mockngbrd]

Poor Ukraine xmms 😞

[Lala81]

Probably radar guided then last part heat seeking. Then the missile will guide itself to the engine. 

55 minutes ago, BanCoe said:

Maybe that’s why they refuse to submit the black box and now say it’s badly damaged ........ was it a heat seeking missile ?? So many conspiracy theories will now spawn 

 

[Lala81]

As opposed to the mh flight that was radar guided and exploded beside the body of the plane. 

[Lala81]

Confiscating the black box was the give away... 此地无银三百两。

[Lala81]

17 minutes ago, Mockngbrd said:

Poor Ukraine xmms 😞

My friend study in London. Say Pakistani or Iranian xmm most chioh... 

[Blueray]

2 hours ago, BabyBlade said:

For such a major statement to have been made within 3 days of the crash, they must have tangible evidence. Classified, till Trump decides to spill the beans which high chance he might. 

But again, multiple sources = US sources? 

Nothing can bring back the innocent lives lost, mistake or not technical issue or not. 

 

the area is quite likely already under radar / drone / satellite surveillance by US military, so they probably have the data on hand to make this conclusion.

let's see what Iran has to say about it, 82 of their citizens were on the plane.

[Mockngbrd]

1 hour ago, Lala81 said:

My friend study in London. Say Pakistani or Iranian xmm most chioh... 

Amdl! 

[Victor68]

2 hours ago, Blueray said:

the area is quite likely already under radar / drone / satellite surveillance by US military, so they probably have the data on hand to make this conclusion.

let's see what Iran has to say about it, 82 of their citizens were on the plane.

The problem is, we will never know the truth till Iran admitted it. Anything from USA, you have to know it is Trump version like the 'building of wall'.