Sdp pofma case

[Chongster]

4 hours ago, Watwheels said:

 

Other than criticism what can the opposition party ppl really do? IMO in order for them to do something significant they got to have funds, find ppl or organisation to raise funds, so that they could use the funds to help ppl. That is productivity. Show ppl they are capable other than being critical on the gahment. 

For them to do something significant they got to make people pissed off enough to vote out the govt and vote them in, then they will have the funds to carry out the policies they think will benefit the people.  That is politics.  That is THEIR day job as opposition without a ward.  
 

PAP back in 1950s also just take mike shout shout shout what.  Only when they take over from Barisan Socialis then can build HDB and JTC.  Not like they go around sell flags raise money to build HDB, no?  

[Inlinefour]

10 hours ago, Alpha78 said:

Only government officials shall be allowed to light fires,

Peasants shall not be allowed to light lamps.👿

 

no wonder my friend kena lta for led lights

[Wind30]

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/agc-says-sdp-articles-misrepresented-its-arguments-in-pofma-case-12289698

.... now AGC say SDP twisting their words...

Did they remember SDP wanted the hearing to be in an open court??? Kenna rejected now AGC crying SDP twisting their words? Common just make the hearing public. simple solution. 

[Playtime]

15 minutes ago, Wind30 said:

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/agc-says-sdp-articles-misrepresented-its-arguments-in-pofma-case-12289698

.... now AGC say SDP twisting their words...

Did they remember SDP wanted the hearing to be in an open court??? Kenna rejected now AGC crying SDP twisting their words? Common just make the hearing public. simple solution. 

https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2020/01/15/attorney-general-lucien-wong-reappointed-for-a-second-term/

Attorney-General Lucien Wong will be serving a second term after his reappointment and swearing in ceremony at the Istana on Tue (14 Jan).

Mr Wong, who has over three decades of legal experience, was previously the chairman and a senior partner of Singapore’s largest law firm Allen & Gledhill.

President Halimah Yacob, who officiated the ceremony on Tue, in a Facebook post the same day expressed her confidence in Mr Wong’s abilities to “discharge his duties fairly and with integrity”.

Mr Wong’s previous appointment as Attorney-General — a position that entails acting as a legal advisor to the Government — raised questions concerning potential conflict of interest, as he was previously the personal lawyer of Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.

Two opposition parties have highlighted the issue three years ago, as seen in the Singapore Democratic Party’s letter to then-President Tony Tan and the Workers’ Party (WP) urging the Government to address the matter in Parliament.

The SDP urged Dr Tan to revoke Mr Wong’s position as the Attorney-General, as Mr Wong, in the capacity of the Attorney-General, had allegedly refused to look into Dr Lee Wei Ling’s and Mr Lee Hsien Yang’s allegations regarding PM Lee’s purported abuse of power in the 38 Oxley Road dispute.

“Mr Lucien Wong was sworn in as AG on 16 January 2017. However, the fact that Mr Wong was the PM’s personal lawyer was revealed to the public only in June 2017. The President may not have been aware of this fact or its full implications.

“The association of Mr Wong with PM Lee prior to his becoming the AG has created an acute conflict of interest which cannot be ignored. It is important that President Tan does the right thing in the interest of the people of Singapore and revoke Mr Lucien Wong’s appointment as AG.

“Any further delay or refusal to act will cause even greater erosion of confidence in our public institutions,” the letter read.

Low Thia Khiang — then-chief of the WP — said that Mr Wong was representing PM Lee’s in his private dispute against his siblings over the Lee family’s private property, and then — as an Attorney-General — had the power to advise the Government and the Cabinet on matters related to said property and their late father Lee Kuan Yew’s will pertaining to the house.

“Is there also a conflict of interest here? Was this consideration taken into account when (Mr Wong) was appointed the AG? Can the PM clarify the role of the Law Minister and the AG in this matter, and explain to the House whether there’s any conflict of interest,” Mr Low asked.

Ms Lim, chairman of the WP, said regarding Mr Wong that it was “also well-known that he had been a senior partner in the same firm as the Law Minister for a long time”.

“They probably understand each other intimately,” she said.

Ms Lim also noted how Law Ministers in the past had expressly endorsed the need for there to be distance between the Government and the AGC.

“For instance, Prof S Jayakumar recently gave an interview for a book marking AGC’s 150th Anniversary. There, he recalled how when he was appointed Minister of State for Law in 1981, he was given an office located at the AGC, then in High Street.

“Now, there is no legal prohibition on appointing the Government’s close friends and former party comrades as the AG or Deputy AG … But, from a system point of view, do these appointments instil public confidence that the AGC will act independently in matters where the Government, or worse, the PM, has an interest in the outcomes?” she asked the House.

While Mr Wong’s predecessor V K Rajah SC — who was appointed Attorney-General on 25 Jun 2014 — ended his service as the Attorney-General on 14 Jan 2017 upon reaching the retirement age of 60 years, Mr Wong was 63 years old at the time of his appointment for the first term of his tenure.

As Mr Wong is 67 years old this year, he will be 70 at the end of his second term as the Attorney-General.

Article 35(4) of the Constitution stipulates that the Attorney-General may be appointed for a specific period and — subject to clause (6) — vacate his office at the end of the period.

The Attorney-General is permitted to hold office until the age of 60 years old. However, according to Section 35(4)(b), an Attorney-General who has reached 60 years of age may remain in office for a fixed period of time agreed between the Attorney-General and the Government upon the President’s discretion, if the President takes up the advice of the Prime Minister.

[Chongster]

what not many people know was that Justice Ang Cheng Hock was once working at A&G! think he reported to Shan, and Lucien was the big boss!

[TangoCharlie]

What to do? Our talent pool is so miniscule. And for goodness sake, CSJ please go and engage a lawyer. 

Unless he wants to show how a lay person should navigate the pofma process. 

[Wind30]

2 hours ago, TangoCharlie said:

What to do? Our talent pool is so miniscule. And for goodness sake, CSJ please go and engage a lawyer. 

Unless he wants to show how a lay person should navigate the pofma process. 

Actually I thought CSJ is pretty clever this time.

I think he actually requested for the open court knowing that it will get rejected... Don't you think it makes AGC's reply that CSJ is twisting their words post hearing much less credible??? After all CSJ was the one pushing for Open Hearing initially. 

You think CSJ can out lawyer our AGC?

I think his decision not to engage a lawyer is also correct. After all, our Law Minister said that the Pofma appeal will be make as simple as possible so that the normal public is not at a disadvantage. that promise is really important as pofma gives the government absolute right to shut down  anything first and the ONLY recourse is through appeal. If appeal, requires the lay person to hire an army of lawyers.... up front a few months ago, I already said the Pofma was a mistake by PAP. it is like a self inflicted wound....

The longer this drag on, the more complicated it gets, the worse it looks on the law minister. 

 

Edited January 21, 2020 by Wind30

[Wind30]

2 hours ago, TangoCharlie said:

What to do? Our talent pool is so miniscule. And for goodness sake, CSJ please go and engage a lawyer. 

Unless he wants to show how a lay person should navigate the pofma process. 

Actually I thought CSJ is pretty clever this time.

I think he actually requested for the open court knowing that it will get rejected... You think CSJ can out lawyer our AGC?

I think his decision not to engage a lawyer is also correct. After all, our Law Minister said that the Pofma appeal will be make as simple as possible so that the normal public is not at a disadvantage. that promise is really important as pofma gives the government absolute right to shut down  anything first and the ONLY recourse is through appeal.

The longer this drag on, the more complicated it gets, the worse it looks on the law minister. 

 

[TangoCharlie]

Not really, when it gave AGC a chance to accuse him of misrepresentation. And before he realised it, he will be entangled with lawsuits which kept him busy.

It already looked bad to me when judgement is reserved. 

If you like to read, go read his ex wife book.

Edited January 21, 2020 by TangoCharlie
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[Yewheng]

The only hope is 360 degrees change in leadership at the top and remove all those bad law that was passed down in parliament. But well.. It will never going to happen at least for quite awhile.. Haiz.. 

Edited January 21, 2020 by Yewheng

[Chongster]

10 hours ago, Wind30 said:

Actually I thought CSJ is pretty clever this time.

I think he actually requested for the open court knowing that it will get rejected... Don't you think it makes AGC's reply that CSJ is twisting their words post hearing much less credible??? After all CSJ was the one pushing for Open Hearing initially. 

You think CSJ can out lawyer our AGC?

I think his decision not to engage a lawyer is also correct. After all, our Law Minister said that the Pofma appeal will be make as simple as possible so that the normal public is not at a disadvantage. that promise is really important as pofma gives the government absolute right to shut down  anything first and the ONLY recourse is through appeal. If appeal, requires the lay person to hire an army of lawyers.... up front a few months ago, I already said the Pofma was a mistake by PAP. it is like a self inflicted wound....

The longer this drag on, the more complicated it gets, the worse it looks on the law minister. 

 

Actually if you appear in person in court without a lawyer, the judge will cut you a lot of slack.  Can literally shit in open court  and the judge still talk to you nicely.  They only like to f the lawyers.  
 

I also think SDP probably has quite a few lawyers among its ranks, it liberal progressive ideology will gel with the lawyers, doctors, professionals.  The tak ang mo chek ones.  So CSJ is probably well advised, and with his natural flair for talking, he’s probably going to be a match for anyone.

[Playtime]

26 minutes ago, Chongster said:

 

I also think SDP probably has quite a few lawyers among its ranks, it liberal progressive ideology will gel with the lawyers, doctors, professionals.

Actually the law community is totally tamed and castrated. 

Other than m ravi, seems all are working for pap to attack.. 

In a free society,  lawyers will be queuing up to fight pofma, defamation,  etc.. not hiding. 

[Playtime]

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/opinion/fake-news-law-singapore.html

 

SINGAPORE — When the ruling People’s Action Party (P.A.P.) passed a new law against “fake news” last year, it claimed to want to protect both free speech and national security. Falsehoods, the government said, “have been weaponized, to attack the infrastructure of fact, destroy trust and attack societies.”

Since the law came into force in October, the government has invoked it five times, and there is now reason to fear that the law is, instead, a tool to quiet dissent....

[Wind30]

7 hours ago, Playtime said:

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/opinion/fake-news-law-singapore.html

 

SINGAPORE — When the ruling People’s Action Party (P.A.P.) passed a new law against “fake news” last year, it claimed to want to protect both free speech and national security. Falsehoods, the government said, “have been weaponized, to attack the infrastructure of fact, destroy trust and attack societies.”

Since the law came into force in October, the government has invoked it five times, and there is now reason to fear that the law is, instead, a tool to quiet dissent....

As I said before, pofma harms Singapore image to the international world.... all these pofma for what?

[Knoobie]

i still see fake news going around in social media..

earlier there was a post on MCF that suggests coronavirus may not be able to survive in tropical climate with not substantial reference.

however all pofma case thus far are only on political matters... did i missed out any?

 

[Weez911]

2 hours ago, Knoobie said:

i still see fake news going around in social media..

earlier there was a post on MCF that suggests coronavirus may not be able to survive in tropical climate with not substantial reference.

however all pofma case thus far are only on political matters... did i missed out any?

Let's toast to a very astute observation

The next step is to dissect the intent behind POFMA.

[Wind30]

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/judge-dismisses-sdp-s-pofma-challenge-says-statements-were-false-12394932
 

sad day. I am beyond speechless... we really have descended to North Korean standard where only one version of truth is allowed. 

[TangoCharlie]

Pardon my poor command of engerlish. Did I get this right?

If a minister says half full, no one can say it's half empty. Because goes to court, judge will say pofma says so.

But, but,but I thot the esteemed law minister said the court has the final say?

I pray someone can clarify with law minister in parliament.🙏🙏🙏