COVID-19: Beijing's Coronavirus cases rise

[Didu]

5 hours ago, RadX said:

swaber : "OK, Do you see the KFC sign across the street?"

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[Didu]

China aims fire at BBC as dispute with Britain intensifies

On Thursday, Britain's Ofcom revoked the licence of CGTN, the English-language sister channel of state broadcaster CCTV, after concluding that China's ruling Communist Party had ultimate editorial responsibility for the channel.

Minutes later, China's foreign ministry issued a statement accusing the BBC of pushing "fake news" in its COVID-19 reporting, demanding an apology and saying that the broadcaster had politicised the pandemic and "rehashed theories about covering up by China".

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/bbc-cgtn-china-uk-dispute-licence-revoked-14118248

 

[Didu]

It's been a year. RIP Dr Li Wenliang. You did the right thing, but in a wrong country.

Wuhan residents remember COVID-19 'whistleblower' doctor a year after his death

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/wuhan-residents-covid-19-whistleblower-doctor-a-year-after-death-14126258

[Didu]

China refused to provide WHO team with raw data on early COVID-19 cases: Investigator

The team had requested raw patient data on the 174 cases of COVID-19 that China had identified from the early phase of the outbreak in the Chinese city of Wuhan in December 2019, as well as other cases, but were only provided with a summary, said Dominic Dwyer, an Australian infectious diseases expert who is a member of the team.

Such raw data is known as "line listings", he said, and would typically be anonymised but contain details such as what questions were asked of individual patients, their responses and how their responses were analysed. "That's standard practice for an outbreak investigation," he told Reuters on Saturday (Feb 13) via video call from Sydney, where he is currently undergoing quarantine. He said that gaining access to the raw data was especially important since only half of the 174 cases had exposure to the Huanan market, the now-shuttered wholesale seafood centre in Wuhan where the virus was initially detected. 

"That's why we've persisted to ask for that," he said. "Why that doesn't happen, I couldn't comment. Whether it's political or time or it's difficult ... But whether there are any other reasons why the data isn't available, I don't know. One would only speculate."

While the Chinese authorities provided a lot of material, he said the issue of access to the raw patient data would be mentioned in the team's final report. "The WHO people certainly felt that they had received much much more data than they had ever received in the previous year. So that in itself is an advance."

A summary of the team's findings could be released as early as next week, the WHO said on Friday.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/china-who-team-wuhan-covid-19-cases-raw-data-14188336

 

[Thaiyotakamli]

1 hour ago, Didu said:

China refused to provide WHO team with raw data on early COVID-19 cases: Investigator

The team had requested raw patient data on the 174 cases of COVID-19 that China had identified from the early phase of the outbreak in the Chinese city of Wuhan in December 2019, as well as other cases, but were only provided with a summary, said Dominic Dwyer, an Australian infectious diseases expert who is a member of the team.

Such raw data is known as "line listings", he said, and would typically be anonymised but contain details such as what questions were asked of individual patients, their responses and how their responses were analysed. "That's standard practice for an outbreak investigation," he told Reuters on Saturday (Feb 13) via video call from Sydney, where he is currently undergoing quarantine. He said that gaining access to the raw data was especially important since only half of the 174 cases had exposure to the Huanan market, the now-shuttered wholesale seafood centre in Wuhan where the virus was initially detected. 

"That's why we've persisted to ask for that," he said. "Why that doesn't happen, I couldn't comment. Whether it's political or time or it's difficult ... But whether there are any other reasons why the data isn't available, I don't know. One would only speculate."

While the Chinese authorities provided a lot of material, he said the issue of access to the raw patient data would be mentioned in the team's final report. "The WHO people certainly felt that they had received much much more data than they had ever received in the previous year. So that in itself is an advance."

A summary of the team's findings could be released as early as next week, the WHO said on Friday.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/china-who-team-wuhan-covid-19-cases-raw-data-14188336

 

An interesting point

 

it was one of the twelve members who complain and guess the nationality hehe

[1fast1]

4 hours ago, Thaiyotakamli said:

An interesting point

 

it was one of the twelve members who complain and guess the nationality hehe

Why bother with nationality? Screwed up is screwed up lor. And China did massively screw up to start with, taking the world down with it.

[Didu]

A W.H.O. Researcher on His Trip to China Seeking Origins of the Virus

An interview with Peter Daszak, an animal disease specialist, just after his return from an investigative research mission to Wuhan, the site of the original Covid outbreak, and surrounding areas.

Q: What can you say now about the market and what you saw?

A: ...When we got to actually visit the market, to me it was quite striking. The pictures you see of that market closed now are of quite orderly buildings with shutters, and you think, This a very efficient, typical city market. It doesn’t really look like a live animal market. Once you get there on the ground, it’s different. It’s pretty ramshackle. It looks like a place that would sell live animals. There’s plenty of evidence of live aquatic animals, the turtle tanks, the fish tanks, the snakes, which we know were available. What we now have are a clear link and a potential pathway.

Q: What is the next step?

A: ...For the human side, look for earlier cases, for clusters; look in blood banks for serum, if possible. Anything like this is going to be sensitive in China, and it’s going to take some persuasion and diplomacy and energy for them to do that because, to be honest, looking for the source of this virus within China is not a great, high priority I think for the Chinese government. Anywhere this virus is shown to emerge is a political issue. That’s one of the problems, and that is clear and obvious to anyone who has been looking at this.

Q: The new data that you saw, for instance, on the vendors and their supply chains, will that be in your full report?

A: We wanted to meet with certain patients. They didn’t want to meet, so they weren’t pushed to meet with us. There’s no reason to believe that was shenanigans. I’m hoping all the information about vendors, vendor chains will be there. But if not, we’ve seen it. We’ve got it. And we will be following up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/14/health/WHO-covid-daszak-china-virus.html

[Somewhat1975]

1 hour ago, Didu said:

A W.H.O. Researcher on His Trip to China Seeking Origins of the Virus

An interview with Peter Daszak, an animal disease specialist, just after his return from an investigative research mission to Wuhan, the site of the original Covid outbreak, and surrounding areas.

Q: What can you say now about the market and what you saw?

A: ...When we got to actually visit the market, to me it was quite striking. The pictures you see of that market closed now are of quite orderly buildings with shutters, and you think, This a very efficient, typical city market. It doesn’t really look like a live animal market. Once you get there on the ground, it’s different. It’s pretty ramshackle. It looks like a place that would sell live animals. There’s plenty of evidence of live aquatic animals, the turtle tanks, the fish tanks, the snakes, which we know were available. What we now have are a clear link and a potential pathway.

Q: What is the next step?

A: ...For the human side, look for earlier cases, for clusters; look in blood banks for serum, if possible. Anything like this is going to be sensitive in China, and it’s going to take some persuasion and diplomacy and energy for them to do that because, to be honest, looking for the source of this virus within China is not a great, high priority I think for the Chinese government. Anywhere this virus is shown to emerge is a political issue. That’s one of the problems, and that is clear and obvious to anyone who has been looking at this.

Q: The new data that you saw, for instance, on the vendors and their supply chains, will that be in your full report?

A: We wanted to meet with certain patients. They didn’t want to meet, so they weren’t pushed to meet with us. There’s no reason to believe that was shenanigans. I’m hoping all the information about vendors, vendor chains will be there. But if not, we’ve seen it. We’ve got it. And we will be following up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/14/health/WHO-covid-daszak-china-virus.html

NYtimes has zero credibility for anything related to China. See below for tweets directly from WHO experts.

Another scientist in the WHO team

 

[Didu]

34 minutes ago, Somewhat1975 said:

NYtimes has zero credibility for anything related to China. See below for tweets directly from WHO experts.

Another scientist in the WHO team

 

NYT article and what Daszak said in his blog seems to be in sync. Below extracted portion from NYT:

"When you asked for more, the Chinese scientists would go off, and a couple of days later, they’ve done the analysis, and we’ve got new information. It was extremely useful. At the time, you couldn’t really say much. We were trying to not undermine the process by revealing anything while we were on the trip."

"It looks like a place that would sell live animals. There’s plenty of evidence of live aquatic animals, the turtle tanks, the fish tanks, the snakes, which we know were available. What we now have are a clear link and a potential pathway."

Below in NYT also mentioned about working relationship. Not sure which part got "twisted":

"When we sat down as a group, the China team and the W.H.O. team on the last full day of work, and said, “Let’s go through the hypotheses,” the one that received the most enthusiastic support was this pathway — wildlife, through a domesticated wildlife link, into Wuhan."

[Tohto]

3 hours ago, Didu said:

A W.H.O. Researcher on His Trip to China Seeking Origins of the Virus

An interview with Peter Daszak, an animal disease specialist, just after his return from an investigative research mission to Wuhan, the site of the original Covid outbreak, and surrounding areas.

Q: What can you say now about the market and what you saw?

A: ...When we got to actually visit the market, to me it was quite striking. The pictures you see of that market closed now are of quite orderly buildings with shutters, and you think, This a very efficient, typical city market. It doesn’t really look like a live animal market. Once you get there on the ground, it’s different. It’s pretty ramshackle. It looks like a place that would sell live animals. There’s plenty of evidence of live aquatic animals, the turtle tanks, the fish tanks, the snakes, which we know were available. What we now have are a clear link and a potential pathway.

Q

All these type of live products in Asia and South East Asia very common mah.

Even Korea have many type of live aquatic animals, select, weight and cook on the spot.

All these ang moh just trap in their own country mindset.

Edited February 16, 2021 by Tohto

[Didu]

Data withheld from WHO team probing COVID-19 origins in China: Tedros

The inability of the WHO mission to conclude yet where or how the virus began spreading in people means that tensions will continue over how the pandemic started - and whether China has helped efforts to find out or, as the United States has alleged, hindered them.

"The international expert study on the source of the SARS-CoV-2 virus was significantly delayed and lacked access to complete, original data and samples," Australia, Canada, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Israel, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway, Korea, Slovenia, Britain, the United States and the European Union said in a joint statement.

The WHO team's leader, Peter Ben Embarek, told a press briefing it was "perfectly possible" the virus had been circulating in November or October 2019 around Wuhan, and so potentially spreading abroad earlier than documented so far.

"We got access to quite a lot of data in many different areas, but of course there were areas where we had difficulties getting down to the raw data and there are many good reasons for that," he said, citing privacy laws and other restrictions.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/data-withheld-from-who-team-probing-covid-19-origins-in-china-14525720

[inlinesix]

China refutes claims that it did not share Covid-19 data with WHO researchers
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/chinese-scientist-says-beijing-did-share-all-covid-19-data-with-who

[Wt_know]

10 hours ago, inlinesix said:

China refutes claims that it did not share Covid-19 data with WHO researchers
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/chinese-scientist-says-beijing-did-share-all-covid-19-data-with-who

imho, one of the biggest contributor to the entire covid blaming saga is the "way" this incapable guy managing the pandemic

Edited April 1, 2021 by Wt_know

[inlinesix]

2 hours ago, Wt_know said:

imho, one of the biggest contributor to the entire covid blaming saga is the "way" this incapable guy managing the pandemic

FULLY agrees.

 

[Volvobrick]

2 hours ago, Wt_know said:

imho, one of the biggest contributor to the entire covid blaming saga is the "way" this incapable guy managing the pandemic

Just look at him - is it a face you can trust? 😅

[Wt_know]

3 minutes ago, Volvobrick said:

Just look at him - is it a face you can trust? 😅

as a Chief for WHO ... how dare he say "healthy no need to wear mask" - wash hand can already  

giving excuses to so many world leaders not to enforce mask on in the early stage until cases exploded

[inlinesix]

Even PRC sees a resurgence 
Mainland China reports 18 new Covid-19 cases, up from 14 a day earlier

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/mainland-china-reports-18-new-covid-19-cases-up-from-14-a-day-earlier

[Didu]

Wuhan lab staff sought hospital care before COVID-19 outbreak disclosed: Report

Three researchers from China's Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) sought hospital care in November 2019, months before China disclosed the COVID-19 pandemic, the Wall Street Journal reported on Sunday (May 23), citing a previously undisclosed US intelligence report.

The newspaper said the report - which provides fresh details on the number of researchers affected, the timing of their illnesses, and their hospital visits - may add weight to calls for a broader probe of whether the COVID-19 virus could have escaped from the laboratory.

A State Department fact sheet released near the end of the Trump administration had said "the US government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illnesses". It did not say how many researchers.

China refused to give raw data on early COVID-19 cases to the WHO-led team probing the origins of the pandemic, according to one of the team’s investigators, Reuters reported in February, potentially complicating efforts to understand how the outbreak began.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/covid-19-origins-wuhan-lab-staff-treatment-illness-flu-14873524