COVID-19 III: SG Circuit Breaker EXTENDED TO 1ST JUNE: 1,037 New Cases - (23 Apr)

[t0y0ta]

1 hour ago, Lotr said:

hairdressing is a essential service

https://covid.gobusiness.gov.sg/essentialservices/others/

3. Hairdressing & barber services

a. For provision of basic haircut services only.

 

[Jellandross]

1 hour ago, Icedbs said:

Learn a new word today :   circuit breaker to replace "lockdown"

I am trained in electrical engineering by profession and I will never look at those circuit breakers the same way again. 

 

[kobayashiGT]

33 minutes ago, Kyrios said:

Ok so is this the main local thread now for covid discussions?

Yes. So sorry! Cause the thread grow too fast. Whenever there is a major annoucement or news, we will lock the old thread and start with a new thread. Easier for you all to follow that way. if not page 357 like that, you read also catch no ball.

[Jellandross]

2 hours ago, Fcw75 said:

So many things considered essential services? 
Then what is not considered essential services?

Special massage services 先生要不要？

[kobayashiGT]

3 minutes ago, t0y0ta said:

https://covid.gobusiness.gov.sg/essentialservices/others/

3. Hairdressing & barber services

a. For provision of basic haircut services only.

 

I don't think I will cut my hair until the situation gets better. It is like to tell you not to go out, but there is so many things out there that you can do at the same time. I will have a strictly stay at home routine from now on. Besides food and my dog, I will avoid going out for now.

[RadX]

Heng

 

car wash open 

[Wind30]

1 hour ago, Turboflat4 said:

OK guys, let's try to take a tally here.

What we (a good sized subset) wanted vs what we got.

Before I list these, maybe I'll say the gahmen is absolutely justified in saying that people will always try to find loopholes and reasons why this cannot be done etc., so I'm proud of them for finally taking a courageous stand on this.

So,, let's start with school closures. I think quite a few of us wanted this. I can't remember there being too many naysayers. But this is the one thing I think had some realistic objections in terms of working parents being unable to supervise their kids, and we need to be sympathetic to this. And they've found as elegant a solution as they could in the circumstances: essential workers who can't look after their kids can still send them to school. Kudos. I do expect some friction and conflict when this sort of thing is actually being negotiated with the schools, but I think common sense will prevail.

Next, businesses. The gahmen is *very right* when they say some business owners and managers will be stubborn mules when it comes to allowing telecommuting. I mean, even here I actually saw something that boggled my mind - someone was actually talking about how we need to continue working at offices to enhance bonding! I mean, for the love of... anyway, that remark was so crazy, I didn't even bother responding, but I remember thinking how massively idiotic it was. Anyway, again, by mandating closure of non-essential businesses, gahmen has cut the Gordian knot. Well done.

And next, eateries. I (and I'm sure some others) were pushing hard for this earlier - no more dining in, only allow ta bao and home deliveries. And again I was seeing the most spurious objections to this, worrying about the wait staff etc. I'm glad the gahmen has done exactly what I wished for them to do.

Finally, face masks. It's simple common sense that when you have a strong likelihood of asymptomatic transmission, you need to basically push for universal mask use. And yet, even until very recently, I was seeing all kinds of objections to this. While the thing about keeping the masks for the HCWs sounds like a very sensible thought on the face of things, you must be off your rocker if you think the major healthcare institutions haven't already got a secured supply for our business continuity. So the public needn't worry about that anymore. Again, I refrained from replying to that. But what the gahmen's doing by giving out the reusable face-masks sends a strong message. (the only thing I might have done differently here is make the distribution easier, example, allow people to get these to their homes with a nominal postage fee, rather than having to queue up and gather at the collection points).

The other stuff happened earlier, even before this latest measure - like the suspension of ICT - again, absolutely ridiculous objections about how we must be prepared to fight even in the face of illness, etc. I'm glad this was taken care of earlier.

I haven't named anyone here, but I guess you may be able to figure out to whom I'm referring. I don't want to start a flame war or anything, but I think we should all move on from this with a bit more assurance that perhaps the properly articulated views of a number on this forum are being seriously considered. I'm sure it's other fora and other social media platforms saying the same things. Where I can, I've given direct feedback to Ministry people as well, I'm lucky enough to have that conduit. But I hope they continue to listen to us and implement the very sensible measures they've embarked upon.

One last thing: I think GKY and KM handled the DORSCON ORANGE question very adroitly. Most of us worry about the effector arm (the measures each level implies or even mandates) - and the reporter was right that closure of workplaces etc. sounds like a measure under RED. But GKY and KM stated that they were also considering the afferent arm, by which I mean they monitor the daily case load and look at the continued feasibility and "point" of doing contact tracing. As long as contact tracing etc. are ongoing - which means we're trying our darndest to identify and ring fence cases and their contacts as they crop up - we'll remain at ORANGE. That's a good thing. It means no one has thrown up their hands and admitted defeat. I'm very happy they're implementing measures (effector arm) of RED while still maintaining the afferent arm of ORANGE.

sigh... lockdown is the last resort of the incompetent...

Lockdown, even Malaysia know how to lock down. They lock down even earlier. 

Once this Covid thing is over, people are going to look at countries who manage to work through it without drastic measures. Currently, Korea, Japan and Taiwan? 

Singapore... in the losers bucket already... 

I hope the government will look back on this and figure out what they did wrong? Should they encourage more mask usage early? More stronger enforcement? Shaming? 

I don't know. 

[kobayashiGT]

https://www.maskgowhere.gov.sg/

For the reusable mask information.

[PSP415]

7 minutes ago, Wind30 said:

sigh... lockdown is the last resort of the incompetent...

Lockdown, even Malaysia know how to lock down. They lock down even earlier. 

Once this Covid thing is over, people are going to look at countries who manage to work through it without drastic measures. Currently, Korea, Japan and Taiwan? 

Singapore... in the losers bucket already... 

I hope the government will look back on this and figure out what they did wrong? Should they encourage more mask usage early? More stronger enforcement? Shaming? 

I don't know. 

😂😂for someone who "don't know " you sure sprout alot of judgements and should do this should do that.

I dread to read when u reached "i know" stage then u just joined the "i told u so" and "i said it first here".

👏👏👏😂😂😂🤪

Yada-ing.

U must remember that no country is out of the woods regardless unless u count NK and er a few who claimed zero infections. Plus the death rates are still not scary enuff to cause old ppl to lose dentures and young adults to lose sleep.

Take care and keep well 

Safe ride 

Cheers 

 

 

[Ho2786]

omg!!!!!

mask go where!!!!!!

I know now!!!!!!

government bought them all!!!!!!

Edited April 3, 2020 by Ho2786

[kobayashiGT]

7 minutes ago, Wind30 said:

sigh... lockdown is the last resort of the incompetent...

Lockdown, even Malaysia know how to lock down. They lock down even earlier. 

Once this Covid thing is over, people are going to look at countries who manage to work through it without drastic measures. Currently, Korea, Japan and Taiwan? 

Singapore... in the losers bucket already... 

I hope the government will look back on this and figure out what they did wrong? Should they encourage more mask usage early? More stronger enforcement? Shaming? 

I don't know. 

 

Come on lah. We are not fighting for Olympics. What winner what loser? 

I see it this way, our govt actually trust us that we can take care of ourself. So they still allow activities to carry on when the situation is manageable. Now is that there are too many unlink cases that might overload our healthcare personnel. It is the same amount of ppl working in the hospital, but incrementally more patient going in. If they break down, we jialat. I think the measure is to further contain the situation so that our medical team have some breathing space. 

Let's fight this together as Singapore. 💪

[Karoon]

3 hours ago, Philipkee said:

Is car showroom essential service? Otherwise wont coe crash to $2 since no one is going to buy cars for next one month?

Gahmen already spend near 50b.

U think?

[kobayashiGT]

15 minutes ago, RadX said:

Heng

 

car wash open 

You wait for god of rain to wash your car mah.

[Jamesc]

23 minutes ago, t0y0ta said:

https://covid.gobusiness.gov.sg/essentialservices/others/

3. Hairdressing & barber services

a. For provision of basic haircut services only.

 

Can cut but no styling allowed

and basic cut only.

Special stylo milo cut CANNOT!

[zipping]

Interesting calculator, some of it might not b applicable to us (eg. Stimulus chk [not for SG]) but e Quarantined food supply n Toilet paper calculator is interesting.

https://www.omnicalculator.com/collections/coronavirus

 

Edited April 3, 2020 by zipping

[Karoon]

1 hour ago, Turboflat4 said:

OK guys, let's try to take a tally here.

What we (a good sized subset) wanted vs what we got.

Before I list these, maybe I'll say the gahmen is absolutely justified in saying that people will always try to find loopholes and reasons why this cannot be done etc., so I'm proud of them for finally taking a courageous stand on this.

So,, let's start with school closures. I think quite a few of us wanted this. I can't remember there being too many naysayers. But this is the one thing I think had some realistic objections in terms of working parents being unable to supervise their kids, and we need to be sympathetic to this. And they've found as elegant a solution as they could in the circumstances: essential workers who can't look after their kids can still send them to school. Kudos. I do expect some friction and conflict when this sort of thing is actually being negotiated with the schools, but I think common sense will prevail.

Next, businesses. The gahmen is *very right* when they say some business owners and managers will be stubborn mules when it comes to allowing telecommuting. I mean, even here I actually saw something that boggled my mind - someone was actually talking about how we need to continue working at offices to enhance bonding! I mean, for the love of... anyway, that remark was so crazy, I didn't even bother responding, but I remember thinking how massively idiotic it was. Anyway, again, by mandating closure of non-essential businesses, gahmen has cut the Gordian knot. Well done.

And next, eateries. I (and I'm sure some others) were pushing hard for this earlier - no more dining in, only allow ta bao and home deliveries. And again I was seeing the most spurious objections to this, worrying about the wait staff etc. I'm glad the gahmen has done exactly what I wished for them to do.

Finally, face masks. It's simple common sense that when you have a strong likelihood of asymptomatic transmission, you need to basically push for universal mask use. And yet, even until very recently, I was seeing all kinds of objections to this. While the thing about keeping the masks for the HCWs sounds like a very sensible thought on the face of things, you must be off your rocker if you think the major healthcare institutions haven't already got a secured supply for our business continuity. So the public needn't worry about that anymore. Again, I refrained from replying to that. But what the gahmen's doing by giving out the reusable face-masks sends a strong message. (the only thing I might have done differently here is make the distribution easier, example, allow people to get these to their homes with a nominal postage fee, rather than having to queue up and gather at the collection points).

The other stuff happened earlier, even before this latest measure - like the suspension of ICT - again, absolutely ridiculous objections about how we must be prepared to fight even in the face of illness, etc. I'm glad this was taken care of earlier.

I haven't named anyone here, but I guess you may be able to figure out to whom I'm referring. I don't want to start a flame war or anything, but I think we should all move on from this with a bit more assurance that perhaps the properly articulated views of a number on this forum are being seriously considered. I'm sure it's other fora and other social media platforms saying the same things. Where I can, I've given direct feedback to Ministry people as well, I'm lucky enough to have that conduit. But I hope they continue to listen to us and implement the very sensible measures they've embarked upon.

One last thing: I think GKY and KM handled the DORSCON ORANGE question very adroitly. Most of us worry about the effector arm (the measures each level implies or even mandates) - and the reporter was right that closure of workplaces etc. sounds like a measure under RED. But GKY and KM stated that they were also considering the afferent arm, by which I mean they monitor the daily case load and look at the continued feasibility and "point" of doing contact tracing. As long as contact tracing etc. are ongoing - which means we're trying our darndest to identify and ring fence cases and their contacts as they crop up - we'll remain at ORANGE. That's a good thing. It means no one has thrown up their hands and admitted defeat. I'm very happy they're implementing measures (effector arm) of RED while still maintaining the afferent arm of ORANGE.

Doc, u really free ah?

[Wind30]

6 minutes ago, kobayashiGT said:

 

Come on lah. We are not fighting for Olympics. What winner what loser? 

I see it this way, our govt actually trust us that we can take care of ourself. So they still allow activities to carry on when the situation is manageable. Now is that there are too many unlink cases that might overload our healthcare personnel. It is the same amount of ppl working in the hospital, but incrementally more patient going in. If they break down, we jialat. I think the measure is to further contain the situation so that our medical team have some breathing space. 

Let's fight this together as Singapore. 💪

I am not saying this is the wrong decision. I was hoping we don’t have to come to this. That we are somehow better than Malaysia 🙂 

my wife was more pissed off than me as she was working like crazy the past few weeks trying to keep her team operational. 

I am not even sure if japan Korea Taiwan can get through this without lockdown. If they can, it’s then time to review what they did right and what we did wrong. 

[Carbon82]

26 minutes ago, Wind30 said:

sigh... lockdown is the last resort of the incompetent...

Lockdown, even Malaysia know how to lock down. They lock down even earlier. 

Once this Covid thing is over, people are going to look at countries who manage to work through it without drastic measures. Currently, Korea, Japan and Taiwan? 

Singapore... in the losers bucket already... 

I hope the government will look back on this and figure out what they did wrong? Should they encourage more mask usage early? More stronger enforcement? Shaming? 

I don't know. 

You posted this?