COVID-19 III: SG Circuit Breaker EXTENDED TO 1ST JUNE: 1,037 New Cases - (23 Apr)

[Philipkee]

12 minutes ago, Turboflat4 said:

It's not just about conscious "abuse". There's a lot of ignorance about exactly how goddamned contagious this virus is. If you look at the article I just posted, the safe distance is actually lengthened behind a runner. 

So let's say you're running along. You're not a very fast runner or maybe you're winding down. You're rather tired so not fully aware of your surroundings. Suddenly someone really fast comes bolting down behind you, quickly passes you and keeps running in front of you. All the while the guy is expiring moist air at a much higher volumetric rate than under tidal (resting) conditions. 

Congratulations. If the guy in front was shedding, you have now been exposed. It may not have been prolonged contact, but I believe it is possible to be infected this way. 

Maybe it's necessary to have an etiquette like obligating people to shout "behind you!" to give you time to cross to the other side of the road or something. But it's too cumbersome and too controversial to promote, let alone mandate. 

Anyway, every person must decide on the risks they're personally willing to take, but I'd rather they be informed decisions guided by sound sense and science rather than just doing what the crowd does.

Out of curiosity, is army still conducting trainings? I know BMT is suspended but in units they also have PT sessions or SOC training or even range.  

All these activities actually require close contact.  

So has it all been cancelled, postponed or ongoing?

[Silver_blade]

4 minutes ago, Yewheng said:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/singaporetaxidriver/permalink/1447820142047059/

 

Like this how to reduce the dormitory clusters? 

This may be temp eg. a few days, until the flats, etc are ready for them to move in. Carpark doesn't even have proper toilets and showers.

 

[macrosszero]

14 minutes ago, Turboflat4 said:

It's not just about conscious "abuse". There's a lot of ignorance about exactly how goddamned contagious this virus is. If you look at the article I just posted, the safe distance is actually lengthened behind a runner. 

So let's say you're running along. You're not a very fast runner or maybe you're winding down. You're rather tired so not fully aware of your surroundings. Suddenly someone really fast comes bolting down behind you, quickly passes you and keeps running in front of you. All the while the guy is expiring moist air at a much higher volumetric rate than under tidal (resting) conditions. 

Congratulations. If the guy in front was shedding, you have now been exposed. It may not have been prolonged contact, but I believe it is possible to be infected this way. 

Maybe it's necessary to have an etiquette like obligating people to shout "behind you!" to give you time to cross to the other side of the road or something. But it's too cumbersome and too controversial to promote, let alone mandate. 

Anyway, every person must decide on the risks they're personally willing to take, but I'd rather they be informed decisions guided by sound sense and science rather than just doing what the crowd does.

I meant it on a broader scale than running. Most older folk can only manage a brisk shuffle but they end up mingling together after finishing their respective exercises, especially if they’re regulars. Can’t be helped; we are social animals. But therein lies the abuse of privileges - thinking they can group up just because they’ve been exercising.

Dare I say it - if the situation continues to worsen, even if food supply is available, people may be restricted to certain assigned slots to go to supermarkets to purchase food, to ensure there is no crowding. You’ll have no choice of Giant, Fairprice, Sheng Siong or Cold Storage - you just go where you’re assigned at the time you’ve been allotted and you make do with what you can find.

Sounds draconian? Yes. But that’s what happens when 40,000 people can only think for themselves by queuing up to have one last IKEA visit for a month and one last night at the club.

Someone else makes the decision for them. I don’t like it at all but I can’t say I blame the lawmakers at this point anymore.

[Freeder]

Just fine and jail those trouble makers...
In times like this , we need to come down hard on all these MFs....CCB..

[Windwaver]

2 minutes ago, Freeder said:

Just fine and jail those trouble makers...
In times like this , we need to come down hard on all these MFs....CCB..

Do this

[inlinesix]

 

[Tohto]

8 minutes ago, Macrosszero said:

I meant it on a broader scale than running. Most older folk can only manage a brisk shuffle but they end up mingling together after finishing their respective exercises, especially if they’re regulars. Can’t be helped; we are social animals. But therein lies the abuse of privileges - thinking they can group up just because they’ve been exercising.

Dare I say it - if the situation continues to worsen, even if food supply is available, people may be restricted to certain assigned slots to go to supermarkets to purchase food, to ensure there is no crowding. You’ll have no choice of Giant, Fairprice, Sheng Siong or Cold Storage - you just go where you’re assigned at the time you’ve been allotted and you make do with what you can find.

Sounds draconian? Yes. But that’s what happens when 40,000 people can only think for themselves by queuing up to have one last IKEA visit for a month and one last night at the club.

Someone else makes the decision for them. I don’t like it at all but I can’t say I blame the lawmakers at this point anymore.

Like the China lockdown. Every house hold issue one access card. Every 2 days only one person from the family can leave the house to marketing and buy food.

[Tohto]

2 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

 

That's must be the most comfortable bed they had since working here. Thick mattress somemore.

[Weez911]

1 hour ago, Turboflat4 said:

As much as it's easy to displace our anger onto the FWs, please remember they're the victims here. Of our apathy in general and our policies in particular. If even a modicum of attention had been paid to their living and working conditions in the early phases of this outbreak, this wouldn't have happened. 

Well. If you want to blame someone, remember the buck stops with the big bucks guys.

If I have to hazard a guess now, the root cause is due to the very late closure of our border, exposing popular places like Mustafa to infected visitors from their home countries. Once Mustafa gets hit, the curve will be very frightening due to the sheer number of shoppers there in close contact.

And I will attribute the blame to the people who made said late decision to close our border. My post is not made on the basis of hindsight (it certainly helps but no), but more their lack of common sense, or decision making clouded by economic possibilities. 

Situation was worsened by the very low population of people wearing masks then (thanks to their own advise), coupled with very limited social distancing a few weeks ago, all contributing to the explosion today.

Their decisions are always made a few steps late. It's very painful when we are the ones bearing the consequence.

[Yewheng]

17 minutes ago, Silver_blade said:

This may be temp eg. a few days, until the flats, etc are ready for them to move in. Carpark doesn't even have proper toilets and showers.

 

https://mothership.sg/2020/04/foreign-worker-jurong-bedok-camp/

 

Now even saf camp get activated to house these people.. 

[Blueray]

@ 9 April 2020

SG - 1910

HK - 973

TW - 380

Note : HK + TW = 1353, still less than SG.

[inlinesix]

MoH press release is available on gov.sg now.

Quite a number of details is missing in the list.

There is a 13 year old boy on the list.

[cashcow]

1 hour ago, Yewheng said:

Okay. There it seems like mustafa aircon duct is infected with covid-19 virus.. If not how can it spread to so many people? Hope authorities to close mustafa longer and go deep to clean aircon duct already.. Surface cleaning on mustafa is not enough already...

Mustafa centre is not only a bio-hazard but also a major fire hazard.....goods and supplies are cramped packed everywhere with minimum walking space, cannot even squeeze through on weekends. Authorities closing their eyes from such realities until this covid-19 situation gotten a waking-up call.

Never go there for quite a long while...so bloody crowded with foreign talents esp on Sunday that I thought I was in Mumbai; not Sg...... hahaha

[Philipkee]

[Sent by Gov.sg]
 
*COVID-19: 9 Apr update*
 
New cases: 287
- Imported: 3
- Local cases (linked): 236 (202 cases linked to clusters at foreign worker dorms; 34 linked to non-dorm clusters/cases)
- Pending contact tracing: 48
 
Total cases: 1910
- Hospitalised: 884 (29 in ICU)
- In isolation, private hospitals*: 559
- Fatalities: 6
- Total discharged: 460 (Discharged today: 54)
 
More: go.gov.sg/moh9apr
 
_*Patients doing well but still testing positive for the virus are moved to Community Isolation Facilities and private hospitals_
 
*Managing infection clusters in foreign worker dorms*
- Need to prevent cross-infection from dorms to rest of population 
- Govt working with dorm operators to ensure effective management of all dorms

_Public health measures:_
- Active screening and testing 
- Movements minimised to prevent further spread 
- Reduce number in dorms: workers who are well and work in essential services moved out

go.gov.sg/fw-9apr

 

Someone really screwed up regarding the foreign workers dormitory clusters.

[Philipkee]

14 minutes ago, Weez911 said:

 

Their decisions are always made a few steps late. It's very painful when we are the ones bearing the consequence.

Considering how many generals in the armed forces we have in parliament, makes me wonder what would happen if a military conflict broke out....

[Mahjong74]

8 minutes ago, Blueray said:

@ 9 April 2020

SG - 1910

HK - 973

TW - 380

Note : HK + TW = 1353, still less than SG.

No worries. our Government is doing a good job. Gold standard according to themselves.

Government will implement more measures to keep all of us "safe and Healthy". 

Just stay calm and watchful. Doesn't matter if SG number is 1910 or 2000 or even 5000

This is what Pinky said before.

We have to trust our Government and what he said. 

So lets just vote wisely in the coming Election. 

[Tohto]

3 minutes ago, cashcow said:

Mustafa centre is not only a bio-hazard but also a major fire hazard.....goods and supplies are cramped packed everywhere with minimum walking space, cannot even squeeze through on weekends. Authorities closing their eyes from such realities until this covid-19 situation gotten a waking-up call.

Never go there for quite a long while...so bloody crowded with foreign talents esp on Sunday that I thought I was in Mumbai; not Sg...... hahaha

That's the reason I never like to yo there.  

Just not sure why so many people like that's place. Even tourist.

I hated place that is so crowded. 

[inlinesix]

17 minutes ago, Weez911 said:

If I have to hazard a guess now, the root cause is due to the very late closure of our border, exposing popular places like Mustafa to infected visitors from their home countries. Once Mustafa gets hit, the curve will be very frightening due to the sheer number of shoppers there in close contact.

And I will attribute the blame to the people who made said late decision to close our border. My post is not made on the basis of hindsight (it certainly helps but no), but more their lack of common sense, or decision making clouded by economic possibilities. 

Situation was worsened by the very low population of people wearing masks then (thanks to their own advise), coupled with very limited social distancing a few weeks ago, all contributing to the explosion today.

Their decisions are always made a few steps late. It's very painful when we are the ones bearing the consequence.

Are you sure patient ZERO of Mustafa is Indian?