Question About Hybrid Cars

[Wildfaye29]

On 5/4/2020 at 5:18 PM, Toeknee_33 said:

This is my value proposition, just for sharing.

I do about 28000 to 30000 km per year.

 

 

 

For me my computation also quite simple.

Fit petrol vs Fit Hybrid at 20,000 per year @ $2 per litre

Overall I still save and get a more powerful yet economical car at the slight expense of more expensive road tax

If i drive more, i save more.

Edited May 6, 2020 by Wildfaye29
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[TeamAMG69]

On 5/4/2020 at 5:18 PM, Toeknee_33 said:

This is my value proposition, just for sharing.

I do about 28000 to 30000 km per year.

 

 

 

what is your previous car - 3L and your current 3.5L hybrid?

[Toeknee_33]

13 hours ago, Philipkee said:

Going by your figures, for hybrid you save 100L a month. 

For ease of calculation, 1L of petrol =$2 after all discounts.

So in savings

1 month = $200

1 year = $2400

5 years = $12000

10 years = $24000

Actual figures will probably be more than $24000 cos petrol after discount might be more than $2/ L (OTOH I use Ron 92 for my manual accent so it's closer to $1.80/L after discount).

So for a hybrid to be worth it, assuming u drive it for 10 years, the hybrid cannot cost more than $24000 for an equivalent ICE car, correct?  Is that how you calculate if it's worth it?  

Just curious since you have that chart.

Not really, I look at the overall ownership costs including fuel cost, road tax, maintenance and depreciation. I then pick a car that fits into my budget and at the same time moves my heart. A hybrid will help to bring the fuel cost component down.

In my case, the smug feeling that the car is 50% more powerful and 50% more fuel efficient at the same time is...priceless! The initial acceleration and top end power both trumps the previous car. Also I don't buy cars new and keep for 10 years, so your computation does not quite apply...life is too short and there are too many cars out there...😊

 

Edited May 6, 2020 by Toeknee_33

[Toeknee_33]

6 minutes ago, TeamAMG69 said:

what is your previous car - 3L and your current 3.5L hybrid?

W212 and GWL10

[Philipkee]

2 hours ago, Toeknee_33 said:

 I then pick a car that fits into my budget and at the same time moves my heart. 

Its actually this la.  I tot u were one of those who whip out a calculator and calculate in front of the SE.  And then see which is more worth it

[Philipkee]

And @Toeknee_33

How come when I reply to you I get this advert.... 

cant be @Jamesc send me right?

I am trying to figure out how my future car relates to this.....

 

[Jamesc]

3 minutes ago, Philipkee said:

And @Toeknee_33

How come when I reply to you I get this advert.... 

cant be @Jamesc send me right?

I am trying to figure out how my future car relates to this.....

 

Its the spy ware tracking what you search for.

If you google cute MILs then all the ads for cute moms

will magically appear.

 

[DylanChen]

 

8 hours ago, Wildfaye29 said:

For me my computation also quite simple.

Fit petrol vs Fit Hybrid at 20,000 per year @ $2 per litre

Overall I still save and get a more powerful yet economical car at the slight expense of more expensive road tax

If i drive more, i save more.

 

how can 1.3 fc only 10km/l

easily 15 & above.

 

[Achtung]

11 hours ago, Toeknee_33 said:

W212 and GWL10

I still miss my W212. Damn reliable ride. When I got rid of it, my wife asked me if its for real. lol.

[Akagi07]

not sure if this thread died..

driving a 5yrs old petrol vezel.. from good mileage 16.9.. im getting down to 16.0 due to daily (short and freq stop/start city drive, commute approx 20km to n fro)

plus petrol price realli shooting 1 way up only.

Is a hybrid freed able to benefit on this?

[ER-3682]

2 hours ago, Akagi07 said:

not sure if this thread died..

driving a 5yrs old petrol vezel.. from good mileage 16.9.. im getting down to 16.0 due to daily (short and freq stop/start city drive, commute approx 20km to n fro)

plus petrol price realli shooting 1 way up only.

Is a hybrid freed able to benefit on this?

All depends on your Right Foot & type of Road you used.

[Mooose]

3 hours ago, Akagi07 said:

not sure if this thread died..

driving a 5yrs old petrol vezel.. from good mileage 16.9.. im getting down to 16.0 due to daily (short and freq stop/start city drive, commute approx 20km to n fro)

plus petrol price realli shooting 1 way up only.

Is a hybrid freed able to benefit on this?

20km a day means about 600km a month, or only about 7200km a year .. 

the cost of changing car may outweigh any fuel savings?

alternative way of looking at it would be to say that now you use say 8000km a year, and at 16km/l you would use 500 litres a year. if you can get an average of say 20km/l for the hybrid, you would use 400 litres a year, which is a saving of under $600 yearly.

doesnt seem like that compelling a reason to change car to my own thinking ..

[Akagi07]

46 minutes ago, Mooose said:

20km a day means about 600km a month, or only about 7200km a year .. 

the cost of changing car may outweigh any fuel savings?

alternative way of looking at it would be to say that now you use say 8000km a year, and at 16km/l you would use 500 litres a year. if you can get an average of say 20km/l for the hybrid, you would use 400 litres a year, which is a saving of under $600 yearly.

doesnt seem like that compelling a reason to change car to my own thinking ..

i mean in general.. if its just 2 ways to and from school. but my main thingy is start stop and limited expressway..

 

true. tts why i'm wondering if i change to a freed, does it really help in terms of long run cost benefit and if hybrid helps with using battery for freq start stop.

Petrol petrol... chiong

[awhtc]

6 hours ago, Akagi07 said:

not sure if this thread died..

driving a 5yrs old petrol vezel.. from good mileage 16.9.. im getting down to 16.0 due to daily (short and freq stop/start city drive, commute approx 20km to n fro)

plus petrol price realli shooting 1 way up only.

Is a hybrid freed able to benefit on this?

 

Freed Hybrid fuel economy should be about 22-23 km/L if you are light-footed. 

[Philipkee]

7 hours ago, Akagi07 said:

not sure if this thread died..

driving a 5yrs old petrol vezel.. from good mileage 16.9.. im getting down to 16.0 due to daily (short and freq stop/start city drive, commute approx 20km to n fro)

plus petrol price realli shooting 1 way up only.

Is a hybrid freed able to benefit on this?

I calculate this way.  

Let's say you pump 100 litres a month.  $2.50 for ease of calculation. That'd $250 a month, $3000 a year, $30000 in 10 years.

Let's say with hybrid, you pump half the amount of petrol.  Only $15k in 10 years.

You save $15k. BUT hybrids usually cost more than petrol.  And there is additional tax.  So unless you can find a hybrid that costs only slightly more than a petrol car, not worth it.

Unless you got fringe benefits like free coffee, biscuits, free parking... then don't say la.

Edited November 8, 2021 by Philipkee

[Volvobrick]

7 minutes ago, Philipkee said:

I calculate this way.  

Let's say you pump 100 litres a month.  $2.50 for ease of calculation. That'd $250 a month, $3000 a year, $30000 in 10 years.

Let's say with hybrid, you pump half the amount of petrol.  Only $15k in 10 years.

You save $15k. BUT hybrids usually cost more than petrol.  And there is additional tax.  So unless you can find a hybrid that costs only slightly more than a petrol car, not worth it.

Unless you got fringe benefits like free coffee, biscuits, free parking... then don't say la.

Model for model you won't save 50% in fuel. So depreciation is the biggest factor.

[Philipkee]

32 minutes ago, Volvobrick said:

Model for model you won't save 50% in fuel. So depreciation is the biggest factor.

So financially it will not make sense.  Then again, buying car never makes financial sense in singapore. 

[awhtc]

Cat B COE for a hybrid variant is $80k+ while Cat A COE for a petrol variant is $50k+.

From the COE difference perspective, a hybrid does not save enough petrol cost.

From an environmental perspective, a hybrid is kinder to the environment if its batteries are properly recycled.