Dealer who sold car with tampered odometer wins case

[1fast1]

4 hours ago, Jamesc said:

To prove the case need the person or company that sold the car to the dealer to testify they sold a car with the higher mileage and customer to prove he bought the car with the lower mileage.

My MIL say one and she is an expert in everything.

Not enough. 

You need:

The buyer (plaintiff) alleging the fake mileage. 

The seller (defendant) saying god knows what. 

The guy who sold the seller the car to state his mileage. 

The guy who sold the other guy the car before that...etc.

The AD service tech to certify that that was the mileage recorded.

The AD service dept head to back up the service tech.

Head of the AD to back the service guys up. 

Head of the international company to back up the local head of the AD.

Automotive engineering experts to testify that the mileage couldn't have been rolled back "innocently" by a Ferris Bueller method and driving the Paris-Dakar rally entirely in reverse (you know, like normal average Sinkies do all the time). 

Nobel laureate theoretical physicists to testify on the second law of thermodynamics and the arrow of time. 

Looks like justice is very easy to get in Singapore. 😁

Edited May 26, 2020 by Turboflat4

[Yewheng]

12 hours ago, Vinceng said:

Back in 2017, Singapore Vehicle Traders Association (SVTA) first vice-president Raymond Tang had said that odometer-tampering is "quite common".

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/customer-sues-over-tampered-mileage

Key question is  whether the SVTA is in communication with the authorities to arrest this matter, or simply sweeping it under the carpet, and blatantly allowing this rampant odometer tampering to be carried out?  

Else, you can take it that your used car's mileage has very likely been tampered, simply because it's an accepted industry practise.

So sad that the tampering of odometer had been here for donkey years and spread until like no tomorrow that even quite high up level person can publicly said it without any consequences. This shows how bad the tampering of odometer it is. Haiz.. 

 

I really feel this tempering of odometer really need to put to a stop. Hope authorities to regroup and get rid of all the rotten apples and start all over again from the basic. 

Edited May 26, 2020 by Yewheng

[Throttle2]

The solution to this all is very simple.

the classic fine Singapore way.

Anyone who is found to have tampered with ODO readings will be fined $10k minimum and or sentenced to 6mth imprisonment.     

Same punishment to the one abetting or instructing the culprit to tamper the ODO.

Then media blast loud loud and circular sent to association of motor traders etc etc...... 

then sit back and watch who kena the first case. 

Why let all these cheats slip so easily?

machiam woo fah woo Tien? 

[sake]

49 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

I am not sure whether subpoena works in Singapore.

Watch a lot of it in drama.

Unlikely AD will sent any technical person to testify unless its court order.

https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/subpoenaed-court-witness-singapore-what-to-do/

self-explanatory

Edited May 26, 2020 by sake

[1fast1]

29 minutes ago, Throttle2 said:

The solution to this all is very simple.

the classic fine Singapore way.

Anyone who is found to have tampered with ODO readings will be fined $10k minimum and or sentenced to 6mth imprisonment.     

Same punishment to the one abetting or instructing the culprit to tamper the ODO.

Then media blast loud loud and circular sent to association of motor traders etc etc...... 

then sit back and watch who kena the first case. 

Why let all these cheats slip so easily?

machiam woo fah woo Tien? 

No one said there was no simple solution.

The question is only do "they" really want to solve it? 

[Yewheng]

20 minutes ago, sake said:

https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/subpoenaed-court-witness-singapore-what-to-do/

self-explanatory

Good read.. I think this one need to update lao.. Maybe can add in additional options for witness unable to attend to court to open up for video conference for court witness. Like maybe this witness is super tied up with work and is at overseas. Then this witness can just video conference at overseas as witness while the court still running concurrently. 

[1fast1]

1 hour ago, Yewheng said:

Good read.. I think this one need to update lao.. Maybe can add in additional options for witness unable to attend to court to open up for video conference for court witness. Like maybe this witness is super tied up with work and is at overseas. Then this witness can just video conference at overseas as witness while the court still running concurrently. 

Very frankly, I don't see how a personal appearance by an "expert" from Mazda adds any value over a simple sworn affidavit when it's something as basic as mileage recorded from the odometer on a given date.

[Vinceng]

This is a good lead for Christopher Tan to write a story, but don't know if the editors will approve for publication . 😁

Chris has already taken the lead from a thread here - 

... to write this story 😄

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/spc-resists-pump-price-increase-a-week-after-others-raised-rates

 

[Vinceng]

😂

4 hours ago, Throttle2 said:

The solution to this all is very simple.

the classic fine Singapore way.

Anyone who is found to have tampered with ODO readings will be fined $10k minimum and or sentenced to 6mth imprisonment.   

Same punishment to the one abetting or instructing the culprit to tamper the ODO.

Ah Gong will say need to consult the stakeholders, who are the very same people within SVTA. So it's back to square one. 😂

[Soya]

7 hours ago, Vinceng said:

😂

Ah Gong will say need to consult the stakeholders, who are the very same people within SVTA. So it's back to square one. 😂

Maciam polis asking thief if there's a crime problem. What answer does one expect?....lol

 

[boonhat_91]

38 minutes ago, Soya said:

Maciam polis asking thief if there's a crime problem. What answer does one expect?....lol

 

In this case the vice president of thief already say loud and clear that crime is "quite common", but somehow police just close eye 🙈

[Philipkee]

12 hours ago, Turboflat4 said:

Not enough. 

You need:

The buyer (plaintiff) alleging the fake mileage. 

The seller (defendant) saying god knows what. 

The guy who sold the seller the car to state his mileage. 

The guy who sold the other guy the car before that...etc.

The AD service tech to certify that that was the mileage recorded.

The AD service dept head to back up the service tech.

Head of the AD to back the service guys up. 

Head of the international company to back up the local head of the AD.

Automotive engineering experts to testify that the mileage couldn't have been rolled back "innocently" by a Ferris Bueller method and driving the Paris-Dakar rally entirely in reverse (you know, like normal average Sinkies do all the time). 

Nobel laureate theoretical physicists to testify on the second law of thermodynamics and the arrow of time. 

Looks like justice is very easy to get in Singapore. 😁

Not only that.  The car in questioned will need to be examined by a neutral technician cos now you are only relying on testimonies and records.  The physical car needs to be examined as well.

[andrewyewkc]

19 hours ago, inlinesix said:

Read the case.  It is a case of car dealer misrepresent the mileage of the car.

In this case, the judge already clearly stated that you need technical personnel from AD to sumpah in court.

Our judge is very excellent. Next time register births in Singapore must ask the gynaecologist to come along and sumpah.

[Vinceng]

This entire episode is  a laughing stock. 🤣

[andrewyewkc]

13 hours ago, Turboflat4 said:

Not enough. 

You need:

The buyer (plaintiff) alleging the fake mileage. 

The seller (defendant) saying god knows what. 

The guy who sold the seller the car to state his mileage. 

The guy who sold the other guy the car before that...etc.

The AD service tech to certify that that was the mileage recorded.

The AD service dept head to back up the service tech.

Head of the AD to back the service guys up. 

Head of the international company to back up the local head of the AD.

Automotive engineering experts to testify that the mileage couldn't have been rolled back "innocently" by a Ferris Bueller method and driving the Paris-Dakar rally entirely in reverse (you know, like normal average Sinkies do all the time). 

Nobel laureate theoretical physicists to testify on the second law of thermodynamics and the arrow of time. 

Looks like justice is very easy to get in Singapore. 😁

Very well said! This is a mockery of the system. Every layman has a sense of natural justice.

[TeamAMG69]

5 minutes ago, Vinceng said:

This entire episode is  a laughing stock. 🤣

Sinkie is a laughing stock 🤣

[andrewyewkc]

This is another incredible case from our system that even the Chief Justice objected but no use.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/pedestrians-with-right-of-way-must-still-share-responsibility

 

Edited May 27, 2020 by andrewyewkc

[Blackzafi]

We as car owners in singapore shld realise that when it comes private transport matters, the men in white will always give it the lowest priority. Everything is guided by the car-lite policy.