COVID-19: Retrenchments

[Mahjong74]

13 hours ago, Voodooman said:

They have no children and family here?

their children some stay in Singapore relative home to continue their studies, Poly or NUS

1 or 2 children also go back to Malaysia with them

[Wind30]

On 7/24/2020 at 10:19 PM, Juicyjuice said:

Wa that’s the thing I don’t understand. Are Singaporeans not as capable? A lot of PRs I know don’t like Singapore but yet want to take advantage of the PR status.

oh if they are truly capable then ok. But I believe many Singaporeans are as capable if not more capable. And PRs that I know, not all, but many of them dislike Singaporeans. Saying we are stingy, can’t take hardship etc. I’ve truly met a few. Good jobs indeed do go to them, and I don’t understand why. A lot of them talk bad about Singaporeans too. Anyway, this is a problem that our offsprings will definitely face too. The injustice and dulan-ness..

..... u guys cannot understand one simple fact...

Our birth rate. Unless u can fix the birth rate problem, we need pr which is a path to new citizens.

[Yewheng]

44 minutes ago, Wind30 said:

..... u guys cannot understand one simple fact...

Our birth rate. Unless u can fix the birth rate problem, we need pr which is a path to new citizens.

High Cost of living is an indirect correlation to low birth date. 

If can reduce cost of living, naturally people would be more willing to want to have kids or more kids. How to reduce cost of living? Rental price if can reduced, it would certainly helped in terms in businesses to have a much breather space and could maybe able to lower selling price of their food and products if rental is lowered by a lot. Another one is to see ways to reduce as much regulations as much as possible or simplify it so as the compliance cost is very little.

 

Next is get rid of unnecessarily courses that take up many power resources and also the need to pay for course fee. An example, if to be a cleaner also need to go for course? Common, cleaner job just so simple, why need go for course in order to become a cleaner? (this if have is really no brainer to remove it). Then what in order to promote to supervisory role also need to go for course? Okay in saf, okay no problem. In private sector? Common.. All is on job experience, and if bosses see this employee can lead, the bosses will just promote this person to supervisor right? (this if have is a no brainer to remove the courses). 

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/more-coffee-shop-chains-to-work-with-public-health-council-to-enhance-hygiene-standards

 

Like this one, hope that these cleaners don't need to go for courses. Maybe just sent people to these coffeeshops/hawker centres/food court and etc and then demonstrate what need to be done to achieve a better standard in cleaning. Then cleaners will take note and do necessarily steps to active better standard in hygiene. Like that employee no need spend additional money to send their cleaners for courses. These money although overall may not look big, but every small savings counts. 

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/environment/cleaning-businesses-to-receive-6-month-extension-on-nea-licensing

 

This one, if can permanently remove the need to go for course in order to extend the licensing, please remove it. Cleaners going for course in order to extend licensing? Common, going for course help in terms on cleaning? Cleaning is just so simple job, just on job there clean la. Why need spend money for cleaners to attend these courses and then able to get licensing extended? 

Edited July 25, 2020 by Yewheng

[Voodooman]

8 hours ago, Mahjong74 said:

their children some stay in Singapore relative home to continue their studies, Poly or NUS

1 or 2 children also go back to Malaysia with them

That is quite the exception. 

I have seen more Msians with family converting to SG citizenship in recent years after they realize the kids are never going back to MY with them.

[Voodooman]

3 hours ago, Wind30 said:

..... u guys cannot understand one simple fact...

Our birth rate. Unless u can fix the birth rate problem, we need pr which is a path to new citizens.

Given our smallish population base, some imports is necessary and may be beneficial to supplement and fill gaps that are needed to get certain sector off the ground. 

G has really screwed up on immigration.  Now they can't convince half the people of the need to allow some imports.  It was a case of too fast too furious, reminds me of the hare and tortoise race.

[Volvobrick]

3 hours ago, Yewheng said:

High Cost of living is an indirect correlation to low birth date. 

If can reduce cost of living, naturally people would be more willing to want to have kids or more kids. How to reduce cost of living? Rental price if can reduced, it would certainly helped in terms in businesses to have a much breather space and could maybe able to lower selling price of their food and products if rental is lowered by a lot. Another one is to see ways to reduce as much regulations as much as possible or simplify it so as the compliance cost is very little.

 

Next is get rid of unnecessarily courses that take up many power resources and also the need to pay for course fee. An example, if to be a cleaner also need to go for course? Common, cleaner job just so simple, why need go for course in order to become a cleaner? (this if have is really no brainer to remove it). Then what in order to promote to supervisory role also need to go for course? Okay in saf, okay no problem. In private sector? Common.. All is on job experience, and if bosses see this employee can lead, the bosses will just promote this person to supervisor right? (this if have is a no brainer to remove the courses). 

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/more-coffee-shop-chains-to-work-with-public-health-council-to-enhance-hygiene-standards

 

Like this one, hope that these cleaners don't need to go for courses. Maybe just sent people to these coffeeshops/hawker centres/food court and etc and then demonstrate what need to be done to achieve a better standard in cleaning. Then cleaners will take note and do necessarily steps to active better standard in hygiene. Like that employee no need spend additional money to send their cleaners for courses. These money although overall may not look big, but every small savings counts. 

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/environment/cleaning-businesses-to-receive-6-month-extension-on-nea-licensing

 

This one, if can permanently remove the need to go for course in order to extend the licensing, please remove it. Cleaners going for course in order to extend licensing? Common, going for course help in terms on cleaning? Cleaning is just so simple job, just on job there clean la. Why need spend money for cleaners to attend these courses and then able to get licensing extended? 

These mandated courses made a lot of training company bosses very lich (some so greedy they even have phantom trainees) cos lots of govt subsidies. You remove the courses, how are the bosses going to afford their next S500?

 

 

[Yewheng]

7 minutes ago, Volvobrick said:

These mandated courses made a lot of training company bosses very lich (some so greedy they even have phantom trainees) cos lots of govt subsidies. You remove the courses, how are the bosses going to afford their next S500?

 

 

That is the problem, some thing like cleaning, why need courses? Yes if things like learn how to operate crane, machines and etc. That one of coz need courses, no problem. 

 

So you said it, phantom trainees, so how does it help in term on helping companies up their productivity? It only waste government resources. 

Edited July 26, 2020 by Yewheng

[Scion]

4 hours ago, Voodooman said:

Given our smallish population base, some imports is necessary and may be beneficial to supplement and fill gaps that are needed to get certain sector off the ground. 

G has really screwed up on immigration.  Now they can't convince half the people of the need to allow some imports.  It was a case of too fast too furious, reminds me of the hare and tortoise race.

there were imports during the 80s and 90s as well

it was slow and steady and integration went on pretty well

then in late 2000s, suddenly govt went for floodgates opening method, trying to pump up the GDP as fast as possible

[Throttle2]

Paper chase. 

[Staff69]

Don't give up bros, don't lose Singaporean face.

 

Jobless for a while, not forever 

 

 

Edited July 26, 2020 by Staff69

[Alg]

Really? Due to high cost of living our birthrate is low? Not according to our MP Darryl David.

 

In a recent radio show by MONEY FM 89.3, Ang Mo Kio GRC Member of Parliament Darryl David said he hasn’t encountered any couple citing high cost as a deterrent to starting a family and having children.

[Staff69]

Seems like a lot of foreigners are exploiting this loophole 

Anyone can explain more?

 

https://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permits/personalised-employment-pass/eligibility-and-requirements

Edited July 26, 2020 by Staff69

[Wt_know]

8 minutes ago, Staff69 said:

Seems like a lot of foreigners are exploiting this loophole 

 

 

https://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permits/personalised-employment-pass/eligibility-and-requirements

$144K pa ... $12k per month .... sup sup water for FT

one stone throw at robertson quay, dempsey and holland village can hit how many?

Edited July 26, 2020 by Wt_know

[Weez911]

34 minutes ago, Alg said:

Really? Due to high cost of living our birthrate is low? Not according to our MP Darryl David.

In a recent radio show by MONEY FM 89.3, Ang Mo Kio GRC Member of Parliament Darryl David said he hasn’t encountered any couple citing high cost as a deterrent to starting a family and having children.

Ok Ok,  it's our own fault for not having enough babies.

Blame us. Blame the people.

This has nothing to do with pap and Darryl David. Happy?

Let's import another 10 trillion FT to make up for our own mistake. 

Thanks pap for letting foreigners in.

Pap is our saviour!!!

Edited July 26, 2020 by Weez911

[yishunite]

Yes coz we stop at 2 and some ppl stop b4 2 or never had kids or worse still never married... this rebelliousness against their population expansion plan cannot be tolerated!!! Swamp them with FTs!!

[Throttle2]

3 hours ago, Alg said:

Really? Due to high cost of living our birthrate is low? Not according to our MP Darryl David.

 

In a recent radio show by MONEY FM 89.3, Ang Mo Kio GRC Member of Parliament Darryl David said he hasn’t encountered any couple citing high cost as a deterrent to starting a family and having children.

This sounds somewhat similar to another MP saying that no FW demanded apology for Covid leh?

 

[Ganwb79]

On 7/24/2020 at 9:33 PM, Mahjong74 said:

ok I am here to make you even more angry. I myself also angry. 

End Dec 2019, 2 of my colleagues, PR. Both around 50 yrs old. Just quit their job, sold off their 4 room resale HDB, Revoke their PR, Take all CPF money, and go back Malaysia. 

They have worked in Singapore for past 20 years. Both also VP in Bank.........Now millionaire in Malaysia. Living in big bungalow. 

 

Mai dulan at them. If you were in their shoes you would do the same too right. Blame the one who set the rules for making it such a good deal that people are incentivised to hang on to the PR status and not convert. It truly is the best of both worlds. Although it also can't be easy to strike out from home at an early age and work/live away from family for 20-30 yrs too. 

[Yewheng]

4 hours ago, Staff69 said:

Seems like a lot of foreigners are exploiting this loophole 

Anyone can explain more?

 

https://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permits/personalised-employment-pass/eligibility-and-requirements

Pep is more for jobs very highly paid jobs. Like maybe VP of the company, coo and even those that requires specialise skill that maybe only few people have the knowledge and that demand super high pay. So not many people can qualify for Pep, so if this person qualify for pep, super high chance he is filled for quite important role in that company. So that one no issue what.. 

 

If want to exploit, this company must be crazy.. Coz look at the mimimum salary to qualify. Who will pay 12k per month for a job that requires only 5 or 6 k per month? Right? It is the EP that need to be look deep into, not pep. 

Edited July 26, 2020 by Yewheng