Mandatory wearing of masks in public spaces even if you're exercising?

[Watwheels]

12 hours ago, Ender said:

Data so far shows that indoors, enclosed air condition spaced has higher risk of transmission.   Even Singapore data shows almost all clusters are indoors.

 

 

I'm  looking for answers in a lift situation like in our case where everyone is wearing a mask. Cos now taking a lift is an issue which only limits 4 passengers, for bigger lifts 6. The queue is long in some places and the stupid building management only run 1 or 2 lifts when there are 4 lift lobbies and they closed all except for one. The duration in a lift is short, usually less than a minute for carpark to main lobby for example. Compared to like public transport like in a bus or train there are more passengers and the duration can be quite long. What do you think?

I'm usually ok if 1 or 2 more individuals joins us in a lift but they are vigilantes or I would call self appointed "lift police" would bark at ppl and allow strictly 4 passengers in a lift. Strangely all these vigilantes I encountered are often very rude and doesnt convey the message in a polite manner. I dunno who brought them up and these vigilantes are adults.

Edited July 21, 2020 by Watwheels

[BabyBlade]

15 hours ago, Carbon82 said:

I am sort of at the frontline for the past few weeks, and have been swabbed and cleared twice as part of the safety measure.This proved that proper donning (putting on) and doffing (removing) of PPE (face mask, latex gloves, face shield, gown and such), as well as practicing good personal hygiene helps. 

Putting aside exercising, I do noticed that a lot of people, almost 80% - 90% of them started to remove their mask once they are at the hawker centers and eateries, even before ordering their food!  And after finishing their meal, they continue to stay around with their mask off chit chatting with others at the same table (non-family members).  It is fortunate that my family member don't exhibit such unsafe behavior.

Please help to remind people around you that: Everyone has a part to play in the prevention of community spread.

Thankfully I've noticed there are some shops with very good management. Eg Bath & Bodyworks. Upon checking in via SafeEntry, the retail assistant will inform customers that mask to be on at all times while in the shop, no smelling of any products including candles (need to seek their assistance if want to do so). PerfectIT jigsaw puzzle shop limit 4 pax at one time in the shop. Also I went to Thai Accent on Saturday and the staff there informed us that mask to be worn at all times unless eating or drinking. Restaurant is also well spaced out. Good effort good reminder there on the part of these restaurants. Its one thing to have advisories but another to actually actively enforce the rules.

[13177]

31 minutes ago, Watwheels said:

I'm  looking for answers in a lift situation like in our case where everyone is wearing a mask. Cos now taking a lift is an issue which only limits 4 passengers, for bigger lifts 6. The queue is long in some places and the stupid building management only run 1 or 2 lifts when there are 4 lift lobbies and they closed all except for one. The duration in a lift is short, usually less than a minute for carpark to main lobby for example. Compared to like public transport like in a bus or train there are more passengers and the duration can be quite long. What do you think?

I'm usually ok if 1 or 2 more individuals joins us in a lift but they are vigilantes or I would call self appointed "lift police" would bark at ppl and allow strictly 4 passengers in a lift. Strangely all these vigilantes I encountered are often very rude and doesnt convey the message in a polite manner. I dunno who brought them up and these vigilantes are adults.

The measure which the lift can only take certain number of people still valid now? The other day i was at my office building, saw one big group of office workers get into the lift, should be more than the 5 passengers limits?!

[Watwheels]

4 minutes ago, 13177 said:

The measure which the lift can only take certain number of people still valid now? The other day i was at my office building, saw one big group of office workers get into the lift, should be more than the 5 passengers limits?!

Obviously late for work? What limits? 😂

That's why I say it's an issue. It's either very strict given there's a self appointed "lift police"  or dont care cos late already.

 

[TangoCharlie]

wearing mask while doing exercise can trigger heart attack according to doctors and a 12% mortality rate according to this article. Hence there is a medical basis for not imposing this rule.

More about exercising in a responsible manner...solo, during odd hours, avoid crowds etc...

Voted no.

https://www.healthline.com/health/heart-disease/statistics#Who-is-at-risk?

Edited July 21, 2020 by TangoCharlie

[13177]

2 minutes ago, Watwheels said:

Obviously late for work? What limits? 😂

That's why I say it's an issue. It's either very strict given there's a self appointed "lift police"  or dont care cos late already.

 

That time i saw was during lunch hours la. I believe not one would follow and care on the passengers limit in the lift la, unless there is a security guard outside controlling the people going into the lift. 

[Watwheels]

3 minutes ago, 13177 said:

That time i saw was during lunch hours la. I believe not one would follow and care on the passengers limit in the lift la, unless there is a security guard outside controlling the people going into the lift. 

That's what I dont like. There's no consistency. Some places the building management will regulate especially for hospitals(eg. Novena Sq). Some places nobody cares. Of course where nobody cares I wont go and tell ppl off.

[Ysc3]

Do you bring spare/extra masks when you go out ? Assuming you use disposable masks. What do you do with the masks that the ear loops are torn out accidentally?

Edited July 21, 2020 by Ysc3

[Ysc3]

22 hours ago, BabyBlade said:

I'm quite sure its not zero enforcement but it's a number game. People should practice social responsibility instead of waiting for the law to enforce. 

Quite tough... I think got more coffee shops and eateries then the number of enforcers. 😂 

[Ysc3]

22 hours ago, Mockngbrd said:

many char bor wear mask look chio but sure kenna con one

 

[CremornePt]

WHO guideline is pretty clear...

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/myth-busters

"FACT: People should NOT wear masks while exercising"

[Silver_blade]

19 hours ago, BabyBlade said:

Go back to work can't be faulted. That's livelihood at stake. But as much as we can we try to reduce chances of us spreading and catching the virus. If we see a huge crowd, avoid it. Long queue for food stall,  avoid it. There are so many cafes, restaurants, coffeeshops in Singapore, why do we insist on eating at one place? Look at pictures of East Coast Park etc, mad crowded and many do not bother to wear a mask, even when cycling leisurely. Just wear a mask la. WARNING CARD AH. Haha.

Agree. Some people are not wearing mask when walking leisurely (in sports gear) or cycling cos the law says so. But I cannot understand why when it come to the health of our loved ones and ours, we cannot just do what is right to protect ourselves and the people around us...instead of just going by the book or cos we are at hours that are less likely to be caught? But when problem hits us, we can complaint why our gov cannot be like some countries where they have fewer cases without 1st asking do have the kind of mindset in our population to do the 'right' things?    

Edited July 21, 2020 by Silver_blade

[Silver_blade]

18 hours ago, Carbon82 said:

....I do noticed that a lot of people, almost 80% - 90% of them started to remove their mask once they are at the hawker centers and eateries, even before ordering their food!  And after finishing their meal, they continue to stay around with their mask off chit chatting with others at the same table (non-family members).  It is fortunate that my family member don't exhibit such unsafe behavior.

Please help to remind people around you that: Everyone has a part to play in the prevention of community spread.

I notice that too and it puzzle me. Just cos they were eating and still sitting around the table, the virus will not be active? Cannot chit chat with mask on? I will put on the mask while waiting for hot drink to cool and I get funny stares from others.

Edited July 21, 2020 by Silver_blade

[Ender]

43 minutes ago, Ysc3 said:

Do you bring spare/extra masks when you go out ? Assuming you use disposable masks. What do you do with the masks that the ear loops are torn out accidentally?

Mine broke once. Heng , it just one point. I broke off the other loop at the same point tie the left and right string together. Still can wear around the head instead of the ear.

[Ender]

2 hours ago, Watwheels said:

I'm  looking for answers in a lift situation like in our case where everyone is wearing a mask. Cos now taking a lift is an issue which only limits 4 passengers, for bigger lifts 6. The queue is long in some places and the stupid building management only run 1 or 2 lifts when there are 4 lift lobbies and they closed all except for one. The duration in a lift is short, usually less than a minute for carpark to main lobby for example. Compared to like public transport like in a bus or train there are more passengers and the duration can be quite long. What do you think?

I'm usually ok if 1 or 2 more individuals joins us in a lift but they are vigilantes or I would call self appointed "lift police" would bark at ppl and allow strictly 4 passengers in a lift. Strangely all these vigilantes I encountered are often very rude and doesnt convey the message in a polite manner. I dunno who brought them up and these vigilantes are adults.

Just my opinion. Risk is low if exposure time is less. I am not too concern with crowded lift as long as no one deliberately cough or sneeze with the mask off.

Restaurant dine in is more concern, coz the exposure with mask off is longer. Distancing is not enough, coz of air circulation. The longer a infected person dine in the restaurant, gives enough time for the virus to populate in the enclosed dine in area. And the longer a healthy person dine in with mask mask, the higher the risk. Distancing won't help much, as shown in the case study in the video I posted. 

[Ysc3]

13 minutes ago, Ender said:

Mine broke once. Heng , it just one point. I broke off the other loop at the same point tie the left and right string together. Still can wear around the head instead of the ear.

To meet unexpected breakage,  I now carry an extra one with me. But the broken one, I use a stapler and staple the end back into position. 

[Voodooman]

3 hours ago, BabyBlade said:

No one can say there is no risk of infection when you are out jogging, running, cycling. The risks may be lower when relative to indoor but that's secondary. We should aim to put public health first. Mask up or stay home. Alternately, places with higher footfall such as beaches, parks, compulsory wearing of mask if you are jogging, running, cycling (any form of exercise). It should also be compulsory to wear the mask if you are going to come into contact with another member of public. I just don't see any other way around this. It's for the general public or for ourselves. Protect others so that we can protect ourselves. I don't agree with 5 pax a group and a lot of other lax rules but that'll be for another discussion.

I voted no as well.

If you can get 5 doctors to sign off on running with mask, I may change my vote. 😜

[13177]

2 hours ago, Ysc3 said:

Do you bring spare/extra masks when you go out ? Assuming you use disposable masks. What do you do with the masks that the ear loops are torn out accidentally?

I will bring extra masks when i go out, cause i experience before the ear loops torn out, maybe the surgical mask quality not very good. Lol. So now i bring one extra surgical mask and one reusable mask just in case.