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Supersonic
3 minutes ago, Atonchia said:

Agree. 

The Xinjiang issue is a small aspect of what China is doing.. 

Some of us felt the western powers and media was just trying to delay... China growth. 

Some of us may have vested interest directly or indirectly that with growth of the China and region will also gain from it. 

But just wanted a fair and just comparison from the western media. 

What I felt not right on China now is the usage of AI, Facial recognition.... for distributions of social credits.... 

It consolidate immense power of the ruling party and socially engineer the total population... 

In addition, PLA & Paramilitary Police takes command from CCP Military Commission.

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Supersonic
5 minutes ago, Atonchia said:

But just wanted a fair and just comparison from the western media. 

like this video ( just for fun sake) 😆

 

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1 minute ago, Atonchia said:

Agree. 

The Xinjiang issue is a small aspect of what China is doing.. 

Some of us felt the western powers and media was just trying to delay... China growth. 

 

Some of us may have vested interest directly or indirectly that with growth of the China and region will also gain from it. 

But just wanted a fair and just comparison from the western media. 

What I felt not right on China now is the usage of AI, Facial recognition.... for distributions of social credits.... 

It consolidate immense power of the ruling party and socially engineer the total population... 

Absolutely agree on this one. 

I for one, has started taking stuff that comes out of China with a grain of salt.

There are violence against Asians going on in the World and it's just silence from China. They are not even saying Chinese lives matters? Surely they should say something, isn't it?

In their mind,  propaganda wars against the World using Xinjiang cotton is more important at this stage. 

Look at this:  https://mobile.twitter.com/shijianxingzou/status/1375120453304512516?fbclid=IwAR1oU2GjShDY9eKRn68WKPQUNJRUAMXzu3NevmttUvixnR9AnPdhUN3vJUc

 

A Chinese lady actually believed the propaganda and went to protest outside H&M and got roughed out by the police.

 

 

 

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2nd Gear
2 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

In addition, PLA & Paramilitary Police takes command from CCP Military Commission.

Some of you may already know this. 

In China, in terms of hierarchy (most important first):

     Chinese Communist Party > Peoples' liberation Army (PLA) > Country

The party is most important and the PLA is the party's army,  not country's army.

If this is the model in Singapore, then SAF would be PAP's private army. Strange, no?

 

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Supercharged
1 hour ago, Singa said:

So far, has anyone mentioned track record?

What's the track record of China? Can we and should we trust the Chinese propaganda? China did say no human to human transmission of Covid 19 despite knowing otherwise, for e.g. whistleblower like Li Wenliang. They say virus start from Huanan seafood market, then Wuhan CDC, then from US solider participating in World solider championship, then accused trade group from Germany, then it's spread from bats, then it's from seafood imports. How many times must we continue to be conned before waking up?

If US had exploited black slaves 200 years ago, does that justify Chinese actions for forced labour? China trying to compare itself to US 200 years ago?

If UK and western powers used colonization to gain resources, then we should support China colonization of 3rd World countries through BRI? Is this the conclusion of the educated or uneducated people?

If China can do some good deeds for Mankind, then I am happy to applause that country. Otherwise, please stop believing the same old nonsense from them and supporting China's actions without thinking. If Hilter can use the excuse of consolidating Germanic people under 1 country, then we should allow China's nonsensical reasoning to terrorize all Chinese (race) and start a war against Taiwan??

 

 

Dun need support cheena actions. But note westerners actions with caution. All blow fairy cannon one as well.

Pornoganda at full swing and playing on viewers emotions at the very best.

The only diff back then b4 internet times was a one sided porno action from the yankees thats all.

Cheena does cock up on hk issues. Play cheat by taking back their freedom but the yankess yank like the world is over. Their mother will die.  Their father will be prostitute if they lose their freedom.

Cheena plays another pornoganda very diff from what the yankees does and these draws more attention and dramas and popcorns.

 

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Supersonic
1 hour ago, Singa said:

How come we have to allow China to decide what is correct for other countries to do? 

We know the biggest problematic player in South China sea problem is China and we cannot voice out, because Singapore small countries so shut up.

How come they get to decide? They say yes then you have to say yes, they say no then you must say no? What rubbish.

China has absolutely no qualms about pointing fingers at US and the whole world despite being guilty of so many things, so why can't we criticise China?

 

 

 

 

 

 

So who can decide? US?

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Supersonic
1 hour ago, Singa said:

If US loses Taiwan, US loses global leadership. It will lose Korea and Japan.

It will also mean China's submarine has free access to pacific ocean and in turn to threaten 2nd nuclear strike against US mainland.

Does that mean anything to US? I tend to think it matters alot.

Just to be clear, US is not helping Taiwan self-lessly. It's national security interest is at stake, it is using Taiwan as a first line of national defense.

I think more like use taiwan as battle ground lol

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1 hour ago, Singa said:

Some of you may already know this. 

In China, in terms of hierarchy (most important first):

     Chinese Communist Party > Peoples' liberation Army (PLA) > Country

The party is most important and the PLA is the party's army,  not country's army.

If this is the model in Singapore, then SAF would be PAP's private army. Strange, no?

 

Not strange.  Because PAP is a political party within the Westminster system. The CCP is not.  The concept of inter party competition for the right to govern doesn’t exist at all.  Is like saying how come basketball can long pass to the forward way in front?  No offside not strange meh 

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1 hour ago, inlinesix said:

In addition, PLA & Paramilitary Police takes command from CCP Military Commission.

I believe culture and value wise China will not likely be aggressor. 

Then current SCS territorial disputes stemmed from a "long historical background" 

Then it's maintenance of territory like Tibet and Xinjiang and reunification with Taiwan. 

Probably the biggest sparks on territory disputes will be border with India... But both Giants know how to take a step back. 

China expansionary vision likely only on economic front which likely see them trying to dominate certain sectors... 

 

Not too sure how the social engineering will breed the next few generation cohorts in China and these will also have huge impact globally when they stretch their economic might...

As we all know....... 

Socially engineering will produce a group think cohort... 

 

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Twincharged
1 hour ago, Singa said:

Absolutely agree on this one. 

I for one, has started taking stuff that comes out of China with a grain of salt.

There are violence against Asians going on in the World and it's just silence from China. They are not even saying Chinese lives matters? Surely they should say something, isn't it?

In their mind,  propaganda wars against the World using Xinjiang cotton is more important at this stage. 

Look at this:  https://mobile.twitter.com/shijianxingzou/status/1375120453304512516?fbclid=IwAR1oU2GjShDY9eKRn68WKPQUNJRUAMXzu3NevmttUvixnR9AnPdhUN3vJUc

 

A Chinese lady actually believed the propaganda and went to protest outside H&M and got roughed out by the police.

 

 

 

China is also like Singapore... 

Usually taking a Neutral approach.... 

Though China and Russia are seen to be taking less sanctions approaches on "rougue states" 

Taking a non-interfering approach is also because they feel is other domestic affairs... 

 

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Supercharged
47 minutes ago, Thaiyotakamli said:

So who can decide? US?

Lai. Singapore decide.

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Twincharged (edited)
1 hour ago, Thaiyotakamli said:

So who can decide? US?

We decide what is good for us, we don't want to smell Chinese ass forever.

Joko joined some Quad exercise too. Think they are also playing a balancing game.

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Supersonic
1 hour ago, Atonchia said:

I believe culture and value wise China will not likely be aggressor. 

Then current SCS territorial disputes stemmed from a "long historical background" 

Then it's maintenance of territory like Tibet and Xinjiang and reunification with Taiwan. 

Probably the biggest sparks on territory disputes will be border with India... But both Giants know how to take a step back. 

China expansionary vision likely only on economic front which likely see them trying to dominate certain sectors... 

Not too sure how the social engineering will breed the next few generation cohorts in China and these will also have huge impact globally when they stretch their economic might...

As we all know....... 

Socially engineering will produce a group think cohort... 

Mao had destroyed Chinese culture and value during Culture Revolution.

Don’t be fooled by mere mentioned of Chinese value.

Since the founding of PRC, military zone was used. It was 7 military zone.

From 2016, XJP changed to 5 war zone.

I don’t believe it is not an aggressor 

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Supersonic (edited)
2 hours ago, Thaiyotakamli said:

So who can decide? US?

thats why i say its ok to support whichever side any 1 like.

all  we can do is judge incident like this thread, usa and kakis wack china on xinjiang muslim.

is it really they want to protect xj muslim?? or making use of human right as a weapon to attack china? is their care for muslim in xj real or fake??

can u see beyond the surface??? or u can only see the top

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17 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

Mao had destroyed Chinese culture and value during Culture Revolution.

Don’t be fooled by mere mentioned of Chinese value.

Since the founding of PRC, military zone was used. It was 7 military zone.

From 2016, XJP changed to 5 war zone.

I don’t believe it is not an aggressor 

I also don't believe, I think China will be like the US, maybe worse for countries in Asia.   But unlike many motherland lovers here, I don't trust much of what they say, all from a single source.

Not denying its effectiveness on many.

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Supersonic
5 minutes ago, Voodooman said:

I also don't believe, I think China will be like the US, maybe worse for countries in Asia.   But unlike many motherland lovers here, I don't trust much of what they say, all from a single source.

Not denying its effectiveness on many.

Its not about motherland lover or amdk lover but need someone to balance check USA. For past few decades usa has been manipulating the world trade, economy and military. USA trying to maintain her hegemony and try to bring down any country who tried to catch her or even say no to her

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Supersonic
5 minutes ago, Thaiyotakamli said:

Its not about motherland lover or amdk lover but need someone to balance check USA. For past few decades usa has been manipulating the world trade, economy and military. USA trying to maintain her hegemony and try to bring down any country who tried to catch her or even say no to her

For a small country like Singapore, it is bad to have 2 big brothers.

Both will ask us to choose.  Check out LHL statement after Yang jiechi state visit last year.

It is worse when none of the current leaders can balance both.

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