Playtime Twincharged August 2, 2020 Share August 2, 2020 18 hours ago, Voodooman said: China is suspicious, it doesn't trust most countries and I can't blame them. With US working 24/7 to subvert its rise (directly and indirectly), you have to assume everyone is an enemy. I would say US is directly responsible for chinas rise through offering her trade when it didn't need to. And not clamping down when it was clear things weren't working. It's China that screwed things up by its own actions.. it's really a great country .. ruined by a stupid CCP. ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yewheng Twincharged August 2, 2020 Share August 2, 2020 19 hours ago, Beregond said: China already ahead in many technology like the unlimited nuclear fusion that can give unlimited power. High speed rail. Even space. Ya That's why America is so scared that trump will want to do at all cost to bring down China. But then look what happened? China still very resilient, look what happened to America now? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yewheng Twincharged August 2, 2020 Share August 2, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, Voodooman said: China is suspicious, it doesn't trust most countries and I can't blame them. With US working 24/7 to subvert its rise (directly and indirectly), you have to assume everyone is an enemy. In fact, if you look at history of China vs now, China actually opened up more to the world economy. China even have china-africa trade deal. If it doesn't trust other countries why have this trade deal? In fact it is China that is opening up to the world and America is closing the world. Trump thought that China is growing at the expense of America, everyone is growing at the expense of America. Wait till trump totally shut from China, see whether America can survive or not? It is because trump knew that he cannot do that. Why? Coz like it or not a lot of things America over there are made from China and America is also relying on China to progress and for America to make progress too. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singapore-china-to-deepen-collaboration-on-public-health-including-development-of-covid-19 Just look at Friday news, if China don't trust the world, would the singapore China collaboration on public health including development of covid-19 would had happened? Edited August 2, 2020 by Yewheng 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volvobrick Supersonic August 2, 2020 Share August 2, 2020 25 minutes ago, Yewheng said: In fact, if you look at history of China vs now, China actually opened up more to the world economy. China even have china-africa trade deal. If it doesn't trust other countries why have this trade deal? In fact it is China that is opening up to the world and America is closing the world. Trump thought that China is growing at the expense of America, everyone is growing at the expense of America. Wait till trump totally shut from China, see whether America can survive or not? It is because trump knew that he cannot do that. Why? Coz like it or not a lot of things America over there are made from China and America is also relying on China to progress and for America to make progress too. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singapore-china-to-deepen-collaboration-on-public-health-including-development-of-covid-19 Just look at Friday news, if China don't trust the world, would the singapore China collaboration on public health including development of covid-19 would had happened? What collaboration? It merely says China will sell the vaccine to Singapore lah! You believe No 158th press? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playtime Twincharged August 2, 2020 Share August 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Volvobrick said: What collaboration? It merely says China will sell the vaccine to Singapore lah! You believe No 158th press? A bit like Finland Russian relations. No one is under any illusions at all. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodooman Supersonic August 2, 2020 Share August 2, 2020 50 minutes ago, Playtime said: I would say US is directly responsible for chinas rise through offering her trade when it didn't need to. And not clamping down when it was clear things weren't working. It's China that screwed things up by its own actions.. it's really a great country .. ruined by a stupid CCP. Not saying China is playing fair. It has not. But i also don't believe US will allow China to surpass it even if China is a full democracy and playing fair. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yewheng Twincharged August 2, 2020 Share August 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Volvobrick said: What collaboration? It merely says China will sell the vaccine to Singapore lah! You believe No 158th press? Deepen collaboration including in developing vaccine. So it is not just vaccine, but more then that. Deepen collaboration = we will work more closely together. No? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yewheng Twincharged August 2, 2020 Share August 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Voodooman said: Not saying China is playing fair. It has not. But i also don't believe US will allow China to surpass it even if China is a full democracy and playing fair. But now is US need China in order for US to progress. Once US completely shut the door from China, that's it for US. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playtime Twincharged August 2, 2020 Share August 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Voodooman said: Not saying China is playing fair. It has not. But i also don't believe US will allow China to surpass it even if China is a full democracy and playing fair. True.. but it would not be anywhere near as toxic now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volvobrick Supersonic August 2, 2020 Share August 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Voodooman said: But i also don't believe US will allow China to surpass it even if China is a full democracy and playing fair. Of course! Who wants to be overtaken? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yewheng Twincharged August 2, 2020 Share August 2, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Volvobrick said: Of course! Who wants to be overtaken? Ya lor.. Thats why trump want to do at all cost to prevent that from happening. But then now there is a big problem. The more he do that, they more it affect America economy. Coz America now relies on China progress for them to progress too. So if America shut China, it is also equal to shoot his own foot. Edited August 2, 2020 by Yewheng Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodooman Supersonic August 2, 2020 Share August 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Playtime said: True.. but it would not be anywhere near as toxic now. It would be worse coz a democracy is a lot easier to stir shits (it is a fact) and that is what US fears most. China is not Japan. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Supersonic August 2, 2020 Share August 2, 2020 Just now, Voodooman said: It would be worse coz a democracy is a lot easier to stir shits (it is a fact) and that is what US fears most. China is not Japan. That's what CCP tries to control Taiwan media as well as Aussie Chinese Community media. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodooman Supersonic August 2, 2020 Share August 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Yewheng said: But now is US need China in order for US to progress. Once US completely shut the door from China, that's it for US. I don't think US is going to lose its crown in the next 10 years. USD remains the reserve currency, it still have the most powerful military, its economy is transforming (it is FAANG), it remains ahead of the technology race... It has its problem but so does China. China is catching up but your statement is far from reality. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc Hypersonic August 2, 2020 Share August 2, 2020 54 minutes ago, Yewheng said: Ya That's why America is so scared that trump will want to do at all cost to bring down China. But then look what happened? China still very resilient, look what happened to America now? China is very resilient? You have been to China recently? You have been to China at all? We know US doing badly because of the free press. China don't have a free press so all the factories closing and people out of job is not reported. China is suffering just as badly as US. Every country is suffering not just China and US. We will soon see this when COE falls. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Supersonic August 2, 2020 Share August 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Voodooman said: I don't think US is going to lose its crown in the next 10 years. USD remains the reserve currency, it still have the most powerful military, its economy is transforming (it is FAANG), it remains ahead of the technology race... It has its problem but so does China. China is catching up but your statement is far from reality. PRC biggest problem going to the top is RMB. Without internationalisation of RMB, it is very hard to be top guy. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volvobrick Supersonic August 2, 2020 Share August 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jamesc said: Every country is suffering not just China and US. We will soon see this when COE falls. Except Singapore. Here we throw 93 bn, if not enough, throw another 93 bn lor! That's why COE up. Where got drop? No scare no scare - We have the world's most capable ministars, if we can equate pay to abilities. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc Hypersonic August 2, 2020 Share August 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Yewheng said: Ya That's why America is so scared that trump will want to do at all cost to bring down China. But then look what happened? China still very resilient, look what happened to America now? All the new jobs that they claim we will need people for soon: Simi data scientist lah, all the sexy job titles like Full Stack Engineer and Backend Developer lah All these jobs are related to US companies like Google, Amazon, Facebook, Apple etc. Any of those jobs related to Chinese companies? Full Stack Engineer? Backend Developer? ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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