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MOM takes action against 47 firms & investigating 240 others for possibly favouring foreign job applicants over S'poreans

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Twincharged

This problem has been there for years, MOM has been keeping companies in watch list but does nothing about it except continue watching. Every year they report thousands of companies are added into  their watch list, but what have they done about it other then watching? If they are serious about it, we wouldn't have been in the situation today  , including the GE results.  

 

https://mothership.sg/2020/08/mom-investigate-employers-pre-selecting-foreigners/

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Turbocharged
2 hours ago, Ct3833 said:

This problem has been there for years, MOM has been keeping companies in watch list but does nothing about it except continue watching. Every year they report thousands of companies are added into  their watch list, but what have they done about it other then watching? If they are serious about it, we wouldn't have been in the situation today  , including the GE results.  

 

https://mothership.sg/2020/08/mom-investigate-employers-pre-selecting-foreigners/

Let's just say that with today's data science capability and the huge datasets that MOM has, weeding out firms with lots of foreign PMETs  should be easy.

It is just a question of whether they want to look into it or not.

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Turbocharged (edited)
5 hours ago, Ct3833 said:

This problem has been there for years, MOM has been keeping companies in watch list but does nothing about it except continue watching. Every year they report thousands of companies are added into  their watch list, but what have they done about it other then watching? If they are serious about it, we wouldn't have been in the situation today  , including the GE results.  

 

https://mothership.sg/2020/08/mom-investigate-employers-pre-selecting-foreigners/

 watchlist does not mean just watch.... at least Google to see what it mean to be on watchlist 

 

https://www.twobirds.com/en/news/articles/2017/singapore/singapore-fair-consideration-framework-watchlist-what-it-means-for-employers

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Turbocharged

Do they publish the list of companies under their watch list? MCF members can help them identify those they missed. In today's report, they also cited difficulties finding workers with required skill for the position they need. So, can MOE please come out and explain why they are focusing on the wrong education? The question here is not the case where we don't have enough population right? 

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Twincharged (edited)
1 hour ago, Wind30 said:

 watchlist does not mean just watch.... at least Google to see what it mean to be on watchlist 

 

https://www.twobirds.com/en/news/articles/2017/singapore/singapore-fair-consideration-framework-watchlist-what-it-means-for-employers

Go walk around MBFC, Fusionopolis, Changi business park and see the FT to singaporean ratio ,one will  easily see the kind of ratio whether it is 1 is to 3 or the other way round, or maybe even higher. If one has a friend working in a MNC, ask him what kind of ratio he is seeing in his office to be convinced  what MOM have said is just  hot air balloons. If they had done something about it so many years ago, the FT issues wouldn't  have been a GE discussion. In addition, after so many years of  so call watch list,  today they continue to expand their watch list ? Did they ask themselves is their watch list approach effective or working at all ? The 39+% voters can't be so blind. 

 

 

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Supersonic
7 hours ago, Ct3833 said:

This problem has been there for years, MOM has been keeping companies in watch list but does nothing about it except continue watching. Every year they report thousands of companies are added into  their watch list, but what have they done about it other then watching? If they are serious about it, we wouldn't have been in the situation today  , including the GE results.  

 

https://mothership.sg/2020/08/mom-investigate-employers-pre-selecting-foreigners/

MOM useless la.

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Twincharged
5 hours ago, Icedbs said:

Let's just say that with today's data science capability and the huge datasets that MOM has, weeding out firms with lots of foreign PMETs  should be easy.

It is just a question of whether they want to look into it or not.

This is no rocket science, they have all the records, spreadsheet can do the job already. You were spot on to say "It is just a question of whether they want to look into it or not.".

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5 hours ago, Icedbs said:

Let's just say that with today's data science capability and the huge datasets that MOM has, weeding out firms with lots of foreign PMETs  should be easy.

It is just a question of whether they want to look into it or not.

Watch list my FOOT!

These foreign companies just keep on advertising for the same position for months on MyCareerFuture or Jobstreet or other job portals for months and you can see hundreds of applicants. Suddenly one fine day the position will be filled by someone totally new in the industry but of the same nationality as those existing ones. We had slightly more than 100 Singaporeans in my previous industry some 20-25 years ago and we more or less knew one another. However less than 5 of us remain in the industry today! All thanks to those expensive policy making clowns!

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Twincharged (edited)
47 minutes ago, 13177 said:

MOM useless la.

Precisely, they are the one who approve EP, after approving, they tell those  employers , "oh sorry now you are in my watch list because   you have exceeded the quota !" They approved permits blindly ?  Then next they try to counter react again? It is not just one or two companies,  it is in the number of thousands every year, at least ask themselves please , has it been working ?  What has gone wrong ? And my concern is this may just be  the tip of the iceberg.

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Twincharged

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/job-hiring-practices-discrimination-watchlist-pmet-foreigners-12993100

Hmm.. Looks like government for don't know what reason not going to touch ceca.. Maybe it's because of agreement already set and can't change it.. So go in another way to tackle.. Which is to look at individual companies hiring process. If there is clear sign that this particular companies are hiring the same race more then what is the industrial standard and had not tried all means to go and hire other races.. Then government step in. So it is as good as capping the population of Indian coming in to Singapore workforce relative to other races. It may take time.. If this trend continue, perhaps in 5 yrs time we might see more locals and other races of people working at Changi business park instead of now loopsided to majority are Indian nationality. 

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Supersonic (edited)

Err ... where is the surprise? not norm meh? lol

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Twincharged
6 minutes ago, Wt_know said:

Err ... where is the surprise? not norm meh? lol

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What surprising is there are people who believe in their propaganda. 

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i don’t understand why people are rambling on about quotas 

ep got no quota requirements one unlike work pass or s pass

companies only need to fulfill the ep requirements and bring in the fts without looking at local to foreigner ratio.

and btw pr is considered as local if we are looking at the ratio hor 

so technically a company can be staffed with prs, eps and s pass or work pass without even employing a single singaporean 

even local managing director registered with acra also can be a pr 

😱😬

 

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Twincharged (edited)
11 minutes ago, Enye said:

i don’t understand why people are rambling on about quotas 

ep got no quota requirements one unlike work pass or s pass

companies only need to fulfill the ep requirements and bring in the fts without looking at local to foreigner ratio.

and btw pr is considered as local if we are looking at the ratio hor 

so technically a company can be staffed with prs, eps and s pass or work pass without even employing a single singaporean 

even local managing director registered with acra also can be a pr 

😱😬

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/job-hiring-practices-discrimination-watchlist-pmet-foreigners-12993100

 

Now this come in.. So companies can't do it as the way they did last time.. If not kanna watch list or ban them from operating in Singapore. 

 

Financial sectors and professional service employers.. It is like referring to Changi business park.. Coz a lot of financial and professional sectors office is over there.. 

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Supersonic
18 minutes ago, Wt_know said:

Err ... where is the surprise? not norm meh? lol

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They just discovered Chennai is in Changi. LOL.

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Supersonic

"The manpower ministry urged the public to report specific instances of discriminatory behaviour, saying that the identity of whistleblowers will be kept confidential."

Do your part.

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Supersonic (edited)
54 minutes ago, Yewheng said:

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/job-hiring-practices-discrimination-watchlist-pmet-foreigners-12993100

Hmm.. Looks like government for don't know what reason not going to touch ceca.. Maybe it's because of agreement already set and can't change it.. So go in another way to tackle.. Which is to look at individual companies hiring process. If there is clear sign that this particular companies are hiring the same race more then what is the industrial standard and had not tried all means to go and hire other races.. Then government step in. So it is as good as capping the population of Indian coming in to Singapore workforce relative to other races. It may take time.. If this trend continue, perhaps in 5 yrs time we might see more locals and other races of people working at Changi business park instead of now loopsided to majority are Indian nationality. 

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