MOM takes action against 47 firms & investigating 240 others for possibly favouring foreign job applicants over S'poreans

[Voodooman]

2 minutes ago, Sosaria said:

TFR only a pathetic 1.14 now. Like it or not, unless things and mindsets change drastically, importation of foreigners-turned-singaporeans is something unavoidable. But it must be done in a controlled manner, not outright importation of entire villages, forming enclaves/ghettos and thus discouraging mixing or assimilation with the local culture.

This is gonna be a long-term project. Starting from taking in these foreigners when they are young, as students, encouraging them to put in their roots here. Not by taking in grown-up professionals whose cultural norms and value systems are already fixed, and thus unable to assimilate well.

Agree, reproducing to replace ourselves is just not going to happen. Question is with our rapidly aging SG population, migration may need to accelerate just to keep the numbers constant or growing at 2-3%. How? 

We probably will need to take in some mature skilled professionals too but in a calibrated manner without diluting the Singapore core. Supplement and not supplant. 
 

[Playtime]

1 hour ago, Sosaria said:

TFR only a pathetic 1.14 now. Like it or not, unless things and mindsets change drastically, importation of foreigners-turned-singaporeans is something unavoidable. But it must be done in a controlled manner, not outright importation of entire villages, forming enclaves/ghettos and thus discouraging mixing or assimilation with the local culture.

This is gonna be a long-term project. Starting from taking in these foreigners when they are young, as students, encouraging them to put in their roots here. Not by taking in grown-up professionals whose cultural norms and value systems are already fixed, and thus unable to assimilate well.

million dollar HDBs isnt helping either...... though some think its very good....

[Mockngbrd]

I can help with the reproducing 1st part. 

[Sosaria]

15 hours ago, Voodooman said:

Agree, reproducing to replace ourselves is just not going to happen. Question is with our rapidly aging SG population, migration may need to accelerate just to keep the numbers constant or growing at 2-3%. How? 

We probably will need to take in some mature skilled professionals too but in a calibrated manner without diluting the Singapore core. Supplement and not supplant. 
 

Calibrating entry of foreign professionals is one thing; we also got to develop the youth's mentality - majority seemed to have lost their "edge" or propensity to bear hardship (because life is so easy and comfy!) - thus losing out when in direct competition with foreign immigrants. In other words, though we are descended from immigrants ourselves, we have somewhat lost the very good qualities that made immigrants successful, wherever they are in the world.

This is a common problem in many developed nations, that's why you see in the West, the locals are also getting uncomfortable with foreigners in their midst.

[t0y0ta]

13 minutes ago, Sosaria said:

Calibrating entry of foreign professionals is one thing; we also got to develop the youth's mentality - majority seemed to have lost their "edge" or propensity to bear hardship (because life is so easy and comfy!) - thus losing out when in direct competition with foreign immigrants. In other words, though we are descended from immigrants ourselves, we have somewhat lost the very good qualities that made immigrants successful, wherever they are in the world.

This is a common problem in many developed nations, that's why you see in the West, the locals are also getting uncomfortable with foreigners in their midst.

Absolutely agree.

The new gen are not hungry at all. Many skills like social and language are also really chui.

I blame current gen parents who spoilt them silly

[t0y0ta]

16 hours ago, Sosaria said:

TFR only a pathetic 1.14 now. Like it or not, unless things and mindsets change drastically, importation of foreigners-turned-singaporeans is something unavoidable. But it must be done in a controlled manner, not outright importation of entire villages, forming enclaves/ghettos and thus discouraging mixing or assimilation with the local culture.

This is gonna be a long-term project. Starting from taking in these foreigners when they are young, as students, encouraging them to put in their roots here. Not by taking in grown-up professionals whose cultural norms and value systems are already fixed, and thus unable to assimilate well.

We need to attract more Malaysia-born immigrants, maybe the Indonesians also. They are culturally much closer to existing core population.

Taiwanese are good also, very similar stock to local chinese, but honestly I think they almost certainly will only treat here as working place, their long-term living env back in TW is superior.

Actually India Indian and China Chinese are also ok, but they are unlikely to sink permanent roots here.

[inlinesix]

22 minutes ago, t0y0ta said:

Absolutely agree.

The new gen are not hungry at all. Many skills like social and language are also really chui.

I blame current gen parents who spoilt them silly

That's the main culprit.

[Wt_know]

1 hour ago, t0y0ta said:

We need to attract more Malaysia-born immigrants, maybe the Indonesians also. They are culturally much closer to existing core population.

Taiwanese are good also, very similar stock to local chinese, but honestly I think they almost certainly will only treat here as working place, their long-term living env back in TW is superior.

Actually India Indian and China Chinese are also ok, but they are unlikely to sink permanent roots here.

who want to root here if given a choice for 2 x IC?  

Edited September 28, 2020 by Wt_know

[ToyotaShuttle]

18 hours ago, Sosaria said:

TFR only a pathetic 1.14 now. Like it or not, unless things and mindsets change drastically, importation of foreigners-turned-singaporeans is something unavoidable. But it must be done in a controlled manner, not outright importation of entire villages, forming enclaves/ghettos and thus discouraging mixing or assimilation with the local culture.

This is gonna be a long-term project. Starting from taking in these foreigners when they are young, as students, encouraging them to put in their roots here. Not by taking in grown-up professionals whose cultural norms and value systems are already fixed, and thus unable to assimilate well.

Why do we need so many people to crowd this tiny island? What's wrong with 3 mil population like in the old days?

So many people, not scared to island tip over?

[Mockngbrd]

2 hours ago, t0y0ta said:

Absolutely agree.

The new gen are not hungry at all. Many skills like social and language are also really chui.

I blame current gen parents who spoilt them silly

Not true la, there are plenty of hard-working good ones. Same as every-other generation. 

[Jusnel]

2 hours ago, t0y0ta said:

We need to attract more Malaysia-born immigrants, maybe the Indonesians also. They are culturally much closer to existing core population.

Taiwanese are good also, very similar stock to local chinese, but honestly I think they almost certainly will only treat here as working place, their long-term living env back in TW is superior.

Actually India Indian and China Chinese are also ok, but they are unlikely to sink permanent roots here.

Taiwan ah?

Well, if China one day take over Taiwna, u will see many Taiwanese flocking to SG ..... natural migration. 

[Jusnel]

51 minutes ago, ToyotaShuttle said:

Why do we need so many people to crowd this tiny island? What's wrong with 3 mil population like in the old days?

So many people, not scared to island tip over?

How to support the salaries of the garment?

[Mockngbrd]

8 minutes ago, Jusnel said:

Taiwan ah?

Well, if China one day take over Taiwna, u will see many Taiwanese flocking to SG ..... natural migration. 

tell them go USA la

Edited September 28, 2020 by Mockngbrd

[Playtime]

2 hours ago, t0y0ta said:

We need to attract more Malaysia-born immigrants, maybe the Indonesians also. They are culturally much closer to existing core population.

Taiwanese are good also, very similar stock to local chinese, but honestly I think they almost certainly will only treat here as working place, their long-term living env back in TW is superior.

Actually India Indian and China Chinese are also ok, but they are unlikely to sink permanent roots here.

Prc .. heard from prc friend. 

Convert means their investment property in China is impacted.. housing fxxking expensive there. 

 

China has a kind of social insurance... that they pay into,  once convert,  gone... machum cpf.

That's preventing them changing. 

[Fcw75]

4 minutes ago, Playtime said:

Prc .. heard from prc friend. 

Convert means their investment property in China is impacted.. housing fxxking expensive there. 

 

China has a kind of social insurance... that they pay into,  once convert,  gone... machum cpf.

That's preventing them changing. 

Why HDL boss converted ah?

[13177]

3 hours ago, t0y0ta said:

We need to attract more Malaysia-born immigrants, maybe the Indonesians also. They are culturally much closer to existing core population.

Taiwanese are good also, very similar stock to local chinese, but honestly I think they almost certainly will only treat here as working place, their long-term living env back in TW is superior.

Actually India Indian and China Chinese are also ok, but they are unlikely to sink permanent roots here.

Those who come here to work, even obtain SPR or even citizens, i think most of them would not sink permanent roots here la, esp if they still have family back in their home country. Unless their whole family and clan all moved to sg, then maybe they would sink their roots here. I know people who have got their citizens here, but still thinking to go back home country to retire when they are old.

[ToyotaShuttle]

35 minutes ago, Fcw75 said:

Why HDL boss converted ah?

When you are that rich, need to diversify.

Even if you have 100bil, give up 50 bil so that you don't have to constantly worry about when someone is coming after you is also worth it.

[Jusnel]

45 minutes ago, Fcw75 said:

Why HDL boss converted ah?

In China, alot of ways go ard the law lah.  Not like SG where ppl go by the book.