kidney patient die after routine day surgery

[Karoon]

1 hour ago, Philipkee said:

I think the consultant meant that even if certified, he should have done it under supervision or at least with an assistant who can help him keep an eye for him.

Example.  You can drive now.  You have P plate.  What the consultant meant is not that you cannot drive or need an instructor but maybe dont drive alone but with a friend who can just help you keep an eye on the road as you gain experience.

Hmm maybe. So surgeons should not go solo so early after passing. 

 

[Sosaria]

5 hours ago, Lala81 said:

means that even if u have driver licence. U shouldn't drive.

LPPL

I met him during reservist. Friendly guy.

Driver's licence is a good analogy. A person who fails the practical test multiple times, before passing, is by far a safer driver, than one who passes the first time, and straightaway goes on the road

[Sdf4786k]

5 hours ago, Lala81 said:

means that even if u have driver licence. U shouldn't drive.

LPPL

I met him during reservist. Friendly guy.

Is there a process like a pilot / co pilot in a surgery ..get accreditation then can perform?

[Lala81]

Just now, Sdf4786k said:

Is there a process like a pilot / co pilot in a surgery ..get accreditation then can perform?

I dunno. But nowadays everything also need to be accredited one lah. 

[Tkseah]

3 hours ago, ToyotaShuttle said:

p plate also can drive on your own already tho.

Just gotten license P plate can drive own car, but cannot be PHV or taxi driver

[ToyotaShuttle]

4 hours ago, Philipkee said:

I think the consultant meant that even if certified, he should have done it under supervision or at least with an assistant who can help him keep an eye for him.

Example.  You can drive now.  You have P plate.  What the consultant meant is not that you cannot drive or need an instructor but maybe dont drive alone but with a friend who can just help you keep an eye on the road as you gain experience.

so it is the procedure at ttsh to have someone supervise? how about at other hospitals?

[Philipkee]

5 minutes ago, ToyotaShuttle said:

so it is the procedure at ttsh to have someone supervise? how about at other hospitals?

No comments.  Not a doctor.   But during my time in OT, everytime there is complicated, sometimes a senior consultant will be called in.

The newly qualified consultant is doing the surgery alone.  The senior consultant just sits down and watches and makes sure nothing is wrong.  Maybe that's what the doctor was trying to say should have been done.

Doing it independently implies he was alone.  And in private, sometimes the surgeon will call another surgeon to assist (of cos patient pays for it). I believe it's also for another pair of eyes rather than merely assistance.

Edited August 27, 2020 by Philipkee

[ToyotaShuttle]

4 hours ago, Philipkee said:

I think the consultant meant that even if certified, he should have done it under supervision or at least with an assistant who can help him keep an eye for him.

Example.  You can drive now.  You have P plate.  What the consultant meant is not that you cannot drive or need an instructor but maybe dont drive alone but with a friend who can just help you keep an eye on the road as you gain experience.

so it is the procedure at ttsh to have someone supervise? how about at other hospitals?

If no SOP then it is hospital problem not doctor.

[Philipkee]

9 minutes ago, ToyotaShuttle said:

so it is the procedure at ttsh to have someone supervise? how about at other hospitals?

If no SOP then it is hospital problem not doctor.

I am not sure if it's the procedure or an "understood practice".  I can't say its hospital problem since I don't know their SOP.  

So I can't comment further.  Only can say what I observe before and what I think the consultant meant.

Edited August 27, 2020 by Philipkee

[Sturtles]

Don't think any observing doctor can stop the puncture of the vessels in time.

And in the previous 23 times, it was alright.

Based on the experts' statements, it seemed the doctor didn't even know there was such a risk involved. 

How did he manage to get his specialist license, with this blind spot uncorrected?