Parliament debate 2020/2021

[Yewheng]

12 minutes ago, Fcw75 said:

You do know that some of those CECA folks get our citizenship and then our passport. THEN after a few years, they apply to be PR of countries like OZ, UK, US and Canada. Because they know that with their India passport, they ain’t going nowhere except Singapore that welcome them with open legs. 

Oh ya thanks for this.. I read before.. Then yeah my mistake..  If that's the case.. Maybe for future new citizenship, there need to have a clause stating that once become a new singapore citizen.. He/she need to be singapore citizen for at least say 5 or 10 yrs. If not there will have penalties for it like bar them from coming to Singapore in the future or bar them from working in Singapore or sort of. So that will hopefully deter people from using Singapore citizenship as a stepping stone to proceed to convert to UK, US, oz and etc few yrs later.. 

[Volvobrick]

1 hour ago, Yewheng said:

 Coz end of the day once they convert to Singapore citizenship super high chance is rooted to Singapore all the way and even future generations ahead.  

For the highly paid/HNW who converted, very often only the father or mother converts, young sons will remain foreign citizens so no NS.  What roots?  Citizenships are a convenince nowadays. since almost all countries are run by sh!tty politicians.  I am sure many here know of ex Malaysian guys who converted but their wives remain Malaysians.

If Sg begs people to take up citizenship without conditions (like male kids must convert at the same time), then we can't blame others for gaming the system. Can only blame ourselves for electing people who don't come up with a better policy.

[Volvobrick]

57 minutes ago, Yewheng said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-says-people-have-to-flush-their-toilet-15-times-2020-10?utm_campaign=sf-bi-main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com

 

Just hope that we don't go until this path.. Even water flow also need to have regulations in place, to even what type of shower heads and etc.. 

The water volume for our flushing system is regulated.  Don't you notice the cistern is getting slimmer and slimmer? 

Edited October 19, 2020 by Volvobrick

[Yewheng]

3 minutes ago, Volvobrick said:

The water volume for our flushing system is regulated.  Don't you notice the cistern is getting slimmer and slimmer? 

Darn.. Then maybe 10 yrs later.. Some politician start to highlight.. The water flow is too slow.. Flush toilet need flush 5 times, this defeat the purpose of environmental saving or sort of...

[Volvobrick]

Just now, Yewheng said:

Darn.. Then maybe 10 yrs later.. Some politician start to highlight.. The water flow is too slow.. Flush toilet need flush 5 times, this defeat the purpose of environmental saving or sort of...

If our BFF loses the Nov elections and has to leave good old US of A and comes here, converts to Sg citizenship and runs for elections.  And gets all our MCF votes!

Yes, he would highlight it!

 

[Yewheng]

9 minutes ago, Volvobrick said:

For the highly paid/HNW who converted, very often only the father or mother converts, young sons will remain foreign citizens so no NS.  What roots?  Citizenships are a convenince nowadays. since almost all countries are run by sh!tty politicians.  I am sure many here know of ex Malaysian guys who converted but their wives remain Malaysians.

If Sg begs people to take up citizenship without conditions (like male kids must convert at the same time), then we can't blame others for gaming the system. Can only blame ourselves for electing people who don't come up with a better policy.

So you are suggesting that if convert, whole family need to convert.. If not need to reject if husband try to convert to citizenship but wife don't want or son don't want. Actually it's is a good idea.. But then is it feasible or not is a different story. Coz ultimately individuals have their own choice, even to husband and wife they could also make their own decisions and their decisions could be different too..

[Volvobrick]

12 minutes ago, Yewheng said:

So you are suggesting that if convert, whole family need to convert.. If not need to reject if husband try to convert to citizenship but wife don't want or son don't want. Actually it's is a good idea.. But then is it feasible or not is a different story. Coz ultimately individuals have their own choice, even to husband and wife they could also make their own decisions and their decisions could be different too..

Nope - This won't be my proposal. I would only want to see new male citizens below 25 years old, so convert and go NS immediately (or after serving NS).  And perhaps XMMs below 30 (better baby producing potential).

Why we want to accept old new citizens? They will have lesser economically active years, after which the country will have to take care of them post retirement, especially medical.  They are welcome to continue as PRs, and once they retire, they should go back to their home countries to enjoy life, and let new, young, economically active, tac paying PRs take over their places and homes.

I remember there was a MP marrying an damn old AM who was accepted as a new citizen here.  Absolutely made no sense for the country.

(Except Billionaires! They are welcome as they can take care of themselves!)

Edited October 19, 2020 by Volvobrick

[Wind30]

18 hours ago, Yewheng said:

https://www.onlinecitizenasia.com/2020/10/19/psps-leong-mun-wai-govt-should-use-national-wealth-to-groom-resilient-sporeans-not-on-flashy-mega-projects/

 

Like leong mun wai on this.. He is darn clever.. Ask the right questions and then ownself go and piece the puzzle together and find out as much as information towards how much total reserve singapore have. He is also very right on the point of should invest more in glooming resilient singapore instead of flashy maga projects. 

 

However it is quite disappointing that during the 1st parliament session he go and comment DBS CEO not being ‘homegrown’ and that anger DBS ceo and also Iswaran. I feel that once these people decide to convert to Singapore citizenship, we should treat them like one and as a Singaporeans like any other and should not divide out who is homegrown or who is not.. Coz end of the day once they convert to Singapore citizenship super high chance is rooted to Singapore all the way and even future generations ahead. Likewise for us Singaporeans we also free to choose to go other countries and convert to other countries citizenship right? Do we want to be in a situation say we go say UK and convert to UK citizenship and then UK people go and comment and divide out homegrown UK and not homegrown uk people? How will we feel? So it's the same concept.. 

 

 

Waste my time... did he even said anything on HOW to groom resilient singaporean?

[Unfazed]

1 hour ago, Wind30 said:

Waste my time... did he even said anything on HOW to groom resilient singaporean?

Ohhh...tolong tolong ah...pls dun groom more people like u & yewheng anymore...else we will go bonkers ya. 😆

[Playtime]

19 hours ago, Fcw75 said:

You do know that some of those CECA folks get our citizenship and then our passport. THEN after a few years, they apply to be PR of countries like OZ, UK, US and Canada. Because they know that with their India passport, they ain’t going nowhere except Singapore that welcome them with open legs. 

AFTER selling their hdb to cash out.... who knows what potentially a million dollar can buy in those countries:P

[Fcw75]

27 minutes ago, Playtime said:

AFTER selling their hdb to cash out.... who knows what potentially a million dollar can buy in those countries:P

Yah, goddamn right.

[Freeder]

Ownself overstay ownself.....

 

SINGAPORE - If Singapore is still suffering from the fallout of the Covid-19 pandemic in four to five years' time, will Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong have to remain longer at the helm, and revisit his earlier intention not to lead the ruling People's Action Party (PAP) into the next general election?

This is a question posed by former senior minister S. Jayakumar in his new book, Governing: A Singapore Perspective, launched on Friday (Nov 6).

In it, he wrote that after the onset of the pandemic and GE2020, the views that PM Lee should remain longer at the helm have intensified despite Mr Lee stating that he hoped to step down by the time he turned 70, which would be in February 2022.

Much depends on how long the Covid-19 crisis takes to abate, he said.

"Of course, if 'normalcy' has been restored before the next GE, I think the public will support his desire to step down as PM.

"However, if the crisis persists, I believe many Singaporeans will want him to reconsider that aspect of his timeline as well, and hand over only after Singapore has turned the dangerous corner."

"It is still early days, but that scenario has to be considered," Prof Jayakumar added.

"Much will depend on the success of measures taken to address both the health and economic fronts."

An unprecedented crisis
Given the unprecedented nature of the Covid-19 pandemic, now may not be the right time to talk of leadership succession, said Professor Jayakumar.

Singapore is in a "very perilous and very dangerous situation in our history as a country", he told reporters at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs last Friday (Oct 30) when they interviewed him about his new book.

https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/pm-lee-may-have-stay-another-general-election-jayakumar?amp

[Fcw75]

LHL asked him to add it in I suppose?

[Lethalstrike]

On 11/7/2020 at 9:25 AM, Freeder said:

Ownself overstay ownself.....

 

SINGAPORE - If Singapore is still suffering from the fallout of the Covid-19 pandemic in four to five years' time, will Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong have to remain longer at the helm, and revisit his earlier intention not to lead the ruling People's Action Party (PAP) into the next general election?

This is a question posed by former senior minister S. Jayakumar in his new book, Governing: A Singapore Perspective, launched on Friday (Nov 6).

In it, he wrote that after the onset of the pandemic and GE2020, the views that PM Lee should remain longer at the helm have intensified despite Mr Lee stating that he hoped to step down by the time he turned 70, which would be in February 2022.

Much depends on how long the Covid-19 crisis takes to abate, he said.

"Of course, if 'normalcy' has been restored before the next GE, I think the public will support his desire to step down as PM.

"However, if the crisis persists, I believe many Singaporeans will want him to reconsider that aspect of his timeline as well, and hand over only after Singapore has turned the dangerous corner."

"It is still early days, but that scenario has to be considered," Prof Jayakumar added.

"Much will depend on the success of measures taken to address both the health and economic fronts."

An unprecedented crisis
Given the unprecedented nature of the Covid-19 pandemic, now may not be the right time to talk of leadership succession, said Professor Jayakumar.

Singapore is in a "very perilous and very dangerous situation in our history as a country", he told reporters at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs last Friday (Oct 30) when they interviewed him about his new book.

https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/pm-lee-may-have-stay-another-general-election-jayakumar?amp

So fast test balloon come out already? Still 5 years away leh. 

On one hand, they are saying 4G leaders are the best we can get and they shown steady hands during this pandemic. On the other hand, says if no LHL SG will be in a perilous situation. 

Stop contradicting yourselves lah, mouth pieces of PAP. 

Edited November 8, 2020 by Lethalstrike

[Fcw75]

Frankly, who will buy his book? Not me for sure. 

And just step down already. He’s as disillusioned as DT.

[Fitvip]

No big deal. NO one is indispensable. 

The motion moved by Sylvia Lim was amended. So, all the twelve of them voted against it!

Edited November 8, 2020 by Fitvip

[Wt_know]

On 10/19/2020 at 11:21 PM, Yewheng said:

Oh ya thanks for this.. I read before.. Then yeah my mistake..  If that's the case.. Maybe for future new citizenship, there need to have a clause stating that once become a new singapore citizen.. He/she need to be singapore citizen for at least say 5 or 10 yrs. If not there will have penalties for it like bar them from coming to Singapore in the future or bar them from working in Singapore or sort of. So that will hopefully deter people from using Singapore citizenship as a stepping stone to proceed to convert to UK, US, oz and etc few yrs later.. 

lai liao ... may be should do like USA?

must pass an EXAM ... 🤣

Edited November 28, 2020 by Wt_know

[Watwheels]

On 11/7/2020 at 9:25 AM, Freeder said:

Ownself overstay ownself.....

 

SINGAPORE - If Singapore is still suffering from the fallout of the Covid-19 pandemic in four to five years' time, will Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong have to remain longer at the helm, and revisit his earlier intention not to lead the ruling People's Action Party (PAP) into the next general election?

This is a question posed by former senior minister S. Jayakumar in his new book, Governing: A Singapore Perspective, launched on Friday (Nov 6).

In it, he wrote that after the onset of the pandemic and GE2020, the views that PM Lee should remain longer at the helm have intensified despite Mr Lee stating that he hoped to step down by the time he turned 70, which would be in February 2022.

Much depends on how long the Covid-19 crisis takes to abate, he said.

"Of course, if 'normalcy' has been restored before the next GE, I think the public will support his desire to step down as PM.

"However, if the crisis persists, I believe many Singaporeans will want him to reconsider that aspect of his timeline as well, and hand over only after Singapore has turned the dangerous corner."

"It is still early days, but that scenario has to be considered," Prof Jayakumar added.

"Much will depend on the success of measures taken to address both the health and economic fronts."

An unprecedented crisis
Given the unprecedented nature of the Covid-19 pandemic, now may not be the right time to talk of leadership succession, said Professor Jayakumar.

Singapore is in a "very perilous and very dangerous situation in our history as a country", he told reporters at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs last Friday (Oct 30) when they interviewed him about his new book.

https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/pm-lee-may-have-stay-another-general-election-jayakumar?amp

All these politicians care about is who will be in charge, who is in power to take care of things.

But who made everyone go out in the middle of the pandemic to go to the polls and vote? WHO?!

On one hand told us to stay and home and stay safe. On the other they tell us it's critical to come out and vote for who to be in charge when they are already in charge. Why? Is this the kinda leadership we are looking forward to? Risking everyone's life to make sure they are in power? This is absurd.

Edited November 28, 2020 by Watwheels