China's mass surveillance of the world for secrets and scandal

[Beregond]

15 minutes ago, Odyssey2011 said:

Systems are broken because they exist to sustain themselves, and the people who run the system rely on the system to stay the same. Why should they change it up? It works well for them. The simple answer is that the system will change when people change. As people adapt to something different, as the popular mood shifts, as we move on from old ways of thinking—that’s when change comes about.

You are still responsible for your democracy system. 

u are very right , thats why china should not tell US  or sg to adopt china system, cos our system suit us and US  system suit themself.

and vice verse, we and US should not tell china or other country to adopt our system , cos its obvious china current system suit china very well.

[Odyssey2011]

4 hours ago, Weez911 said:

.Knowledge is king.

I'm also going to deploy another spy at Hourglass taka store so that I can buy my watch cheaper because I will know their inventory level of patek. Knowledge is $$$.

Hah.... Brilliant... What if they deploy one at your store ... you ok?

[Weez911]

6 minutes ago, Odyssey2011 said:

Hah.... Brilliant... What if they deploy one at your store ... you ok?

I will counter bribe the spy and sell them higher with the fake info. Fair game.

Edited June 18, 2021 by Weez911

[Victor68]

3 hours ago, Beregond said:

u are very right , thats why china should not tell US  or sg to adopt china system, cos our system suit us and US  system suit themself.

and vice verse, we and US should not tell china or other country to adopt our system , cos its obvious china current system suit china very well.

I think beside USA, I don't know of any other country that want other to adopt their system. Once upon a time the communist does that but now, they just want to ensure control of their own country. 

[Macrosszero]

18 minutes ago, Victor68 said:

I think beside USA, I don't know of any other country that want other to adopt their system. Once upon a time the communist does that but now, they just want to ensure control of their own country. 

Their own country has shifting borders - such as the erstwhile 9-dash line and the Diaoyu islands among other territorial disputes. 
 

Even though democracy “won” over communism in the 1990s, recent events have shown it is far from a perfect concept with the disenfranchisement of voters and other underly machinations that pervert a truly perfect system.

The answer, I suspect, is somewhere in between where society vacillates between freedom and control.

[Victor68]

1 hour ago, Macrosszero said:

Their own country has shifting borders - such as the erstwhile 9-dash line and the Diaoyu islands among other territorial disputes. 
 

Even though democracy “won” over communism in the 1990s, recent events have shown it is far from a perfect concept with the disenfranchisement of voters and other underly machinations that pervert a truly perfect system.

The answer, I suspect, is somewhere in between where society vacillates between freedom and control.

There is NO perfect system. More importantly,  when you start not only trying to impose on others but sent troops to kill, it show disregard to law. 

[Odyssey2011]

58 minutes ago, Victor68 said:

There is NO perfect system. More importantly,  when you start not only trying to impose on others but sent troops to kill, it show disregard to law. 

Yes... No perfect system..No nation has permanent friends, only interests.

China also participated in the Korean War between 1950 and 1953, sending the People's Volunteer Army to fight alongside Soviet Union against United States and United Nations troops in October 1950. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/chinese-counterattacks-in-korea-change-nature-of-war

China also in the Vietnam War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_in_the_Vietnam_War

Edited June 18, 2021 by Odyssey2011

[Macrosszero]

17 minutes ago, Odyssey2011 said:

Yes... No perfect system..No nation has permanent friends, only interests.

China also participated in the Korean War between 1950 and 1953, sending the People's Volunteer Army to fight alongside Soviet Union against United States and United Nations troops in October 1950. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/chinese-counterattacks-in-korea-change-nature-of-war

China also in the Vietnam War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_in_the_Vietnam_War

Yes, no permanent friends, only mutual interests at that point of time - the communist brothers China and the Soviet Union went to (undeclared) war in 1969 over Heilongjiang.

[Didu]

2 hours ago, Victor68 said:

There is NO perfect system. More importantly,  when you start not only trying to impose on others but sent troops to kill, it show disregard to law. 

Agree  

 

[Victor68]

10 hours ago, Odyssey2011 said:

Yes... No perfect system..No nation has permanent friends, only interests.

China also participated in the Korean War between 1950 and 1953, sending the People's Volunteer Army to fight alongside Soviet Union against United States and United Nations troops in October 1950. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/chinese-counterattacks-in-korea-change-nature-of-war

China also in the Vietnam War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_in_the_Vietnam_War

Clearly these wars are defensive rather than the aggressive type we witnessed by USA. Surely we don't welcome any USA type here in Asia, in particular SEA. Please do it nearer their own shore. N Ireland would be ideal. 

[Victor68]

9 hours ago, Didu said:

Agree  

 

Alamak, still talking about this incident. Luckily they took the decisive measure. Otherwise we are in deep shit. I cannot imagine Asean are being turned into HK and Taiwan situation muliplated by USA and their allies. Please, the days of western bully are over. 

[Odyssey2011]

1 hour ago, Victor68 said:

Clearly these wars are defensive rather than the aggressive type we witnessed by USA. Surely we don't welcome any USA type here in Asia, in particular SEA. Please do it nearer their own shore. N Ireland would be ideal. 

A border outlines the area that a particular governing body controls…If so, they had already expanded their defence line during Korean War and Vietnam war.

people shouldn't be afraid of the truth..Is war ever morally justified?…A war is only just if it is fought for a reason that is justified, and that carries sufficient moral weight. The country that wishes to use military force must demonstrate that there is a just cause to do so. https://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/war/just/cause_1.shtml

Hope this Nine-dash line will not be their next….  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-dash_line.  We must make peace not war.. 

Edited June 19, 2021 by Odyssey2011

[Victor68]

Very debatable but once you have to defend against aggression, the reasoning is strong than you going out to bomb and say you meant good to kill. It is pointless to assume but just look back at what have happen in Vietnam,  Syria,  Iraq, among the few. All these need mo further explanation 

[Beregond]

25 minutes ago, Victor68 said:

Very debatable but once you have to defend against aggression, the reasoning is strong than you going out to bomb and say you meant good to kill. It is pointless to assume but just look back at what have happen in Vietnam,  Syria,  Iraq, among the few. All these need mo further explanation 

given usa track record with their navy and troops all over the world. i would choose china influence and leadership in scs over usa any time hands down

[Vinyl]

11 hours ago, Didu said:

Agree  

 

Why don't you show the full video of Tiananmen "Massacre"? Worry about the truth that the tank man didn't get run over?

[Vinyl]

51 minutes ago, Odyssey2011 said:

A border outlines the area that a particular governing body controls…If so, they had already expanded their defence line during Korean War and Vietnam war.

people shouldn't be afraid of the truth..Is war ever morally justified?…A war is only just if it is fought for a reason that is justified, and that carries sufficient moral weight. The country that wishes to use military force must demonstrate that there is a just cause to do so. https://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/war/just/cause_1.shtml

 Hope this Nine-dash line will not be their next….  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-dash_line.  We must make peace not war.. 

Arms makers love wars, love instability. They lobby to deliver wars worldwide.

Justification? Moral weight? That's what imperialists want you to believe in.

Which country went to war in Afghanistan to kill terrorists which they formerly armed and trained to fight Russia. Freedom fighters then, terrorists now.

Which country went to UN with a small bottle of washing detergent and then causing massive loss of civilian lives and refugee crisis in Iraq?

[Odyssey2011]

17 minutes ago, Vinyl said:

Arms makers love wars, love instability.

If so.. we must not forget this great nation..

China’s Arms Industry Giants https://chinapower.csis.org/arms-companies/ Possessing a highly developed defense industrial base is a prerequisite to becoming a leading military power. While China is already the world’s second largest arms producer, the ability of its arms industry to domestically develop certain advanced weapon systems is still growing. 

From 2010 to 2020, China exported nearly 16.6 billion TIV worth of conventional weapons across the globe. The lion’s share – around 77.3 percent – went to Asia. An additional 19.1 percent flowed into Africa, and the remaining 3.6 percent went to other parts of the world. https://chinapower.csis.org/china-global-arms-trade/

Edited June 19, 2021 by Odyssey2011

[inlinesix]

1 hour ago, Victor68 said:

Very debatable but once you have to defend against aggression, the reasoning is strong than you going out to bomb and say you meant good to kill. It is pointless to assume but just look back at what have happen in Vietnam,  Syria,  Iraq, among the few. All these need mo further explanation 

DPRK defeated ROK till Busan at 1 point of Korean War.

Even Seoul was under DPRK