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Supercharged (edited)
5 minutes ago, Odyssey2011 said:

‘To refuse a toast only to be forced to drink a forfeit; fig. to hesitate to do sth until forced to do even more” - 敬酒不吃吃罚酒

Hope this will not happen. 

the very fact that we have to 吃罚酒 by the west show they are not benevolent

every wonder why the treaty of Versailles eventually created nazism? the us created the taliban. even  japan getting snubbed by the west resulted in their colonial ambitions. the history of ho chi minh, getting snubbed when he try to reach out to the us after ww2. so many examples in history. all because the west think too highly of themselves. in the end instead of dialogue it is my way or the high way.

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39 minutes ago, Nolicense said:

every wonder why the treaty of Versailles eventually created nazism? the us created the taliban. even  japan getting snubbed by the west resulted in their colonial ambitions. the history of ho chi minh, getting snubbed when he try to reach out to the us after ww2. so many examples in history. all because the west think too highly of themselves. in the end instead of dialogue it is my way or the high way.

Law of the jungle - a state of ruthless competition or self-interest…a system or mode of action in which the strongest survive..😁

 

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Supersonic
4 hours ago, Nolicense said:

 we want a multi lateral world, not a unilateral world led by an exclusive club of ex-colonialists.

 

u are quite right on this. like china say, the new world order wont be in charge by a small group make up of a few countries.

every country big and small will have more say in world issue.

the old cowboy ways of shooting everyone that oppose you to global dominance are over.

trade, money, soft power , technology development will be the new way forward to be a superpower.

military hardware will be more of a deterrent then anything else.

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Supercharged
19 minutes ago, Odyssey2011 said:

Law of the jungle - a state of ruthless competition or self-interest…a system or mode of action in which the strongest survive..😁

 

since you propound the above, we shouldnt be surprised hearing russia, china, iran, etc all the msm report say this and that like they are out to get the west.

so now usa led system is just a veiled school yard gang if it is law of the jungle. 

ever wonder how sk, malaysia, thailand, indo all suffered in the 97 crisis? and why the PIIGS didnt have to suffer like asians? heard of the term neocolonialism?

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9 minutes ago, Beregond said:

u are quite right on this. like china say, the new world order wont be in charge by a small group make up of a few countries.

every country big and small will have more say in world issue.

the old cowboy ways of shooting everyone that oppose you to global dominance are over.

trade, money, soft power , technology development will be the new way forward to be a superpower.

military hardware will be more of a deterrent then anything else.

i cant claim credit for this. besides sg, numerous leaders of other countries and intellectuals have expressed that.

but on the other side of the coin, china is wooing many small states on its side. this means some small states will get tons of money and those with weak democracy will likely be swayed. but thats not new since usa also do that and far worse.

 

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34 minutes ago, Nolicense said:

i cant claim credit for this. besides sg, numerous leaders of other countries and intellectuals have expressed that.

but on the other side of the coin, china is wooing many small states on its side. this means some small states will get tons of money and those with weak democracy will likely be swayed. but thats not new since usa also do that and far worse.

  

“Nothing is free. Everything has to be paid for. For every profit in one thing, payment in some other thing. For every life, a death. Even your music, of which we have heard so much, that had to be paid for. Your wife was the payment for your music. Hell is now satisfied.”   😂


― Ted Hughes, The Tiger's Bones

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1 hour ago, Beregond said:

u are quite right on this. like china say, the new world order wont be in charge by a small group make up of a few countries.

every country big and small will have more say in world issue.

the old cowboy ways of shooting everyone that oppose you to global dominance are over.

trade, money, soft power , technology development will be the new way forward to be a superpower.

military hardware will be more of a deterrent then anything else.

Yes.. this is what China tells G-7 leaders 'small' groups don't rule the world on final day of summit  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-tells-g7-leaders-small-groups-don-t-rule-world-n1270599 So G7 must listen to him…..G7 must realise who rule the world…  😁

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10 minutes ago, Odyssey2011 said:

Yes.. this is what China tells G-7 leaders 'small' groups don't rule the world on final day of summit  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-tells-g7-leaders-small-groups-don-t-rule-world-n1270599 So G7 must listen to him…..😁

i dun know if G7 will listen to china. but i agree with this.

no small group or no indv country should rule the world.

u dun agree to this? or u feel the world should be run by a small group??

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2 hours ago, Nolicense said:

. all because the west think too highly of themselves. in the end instead of dialogue it is my way or the high way.

Seriously…sometimes i am quite confuse…the Western? or the Eastern?… “But in truth, although ethnic Chinese make up more than 75% of Singapore’s population, it remains a largely anglophone country with a Westernised culture. “  https://www.thinkchina.sg/chinas-misperceptions-singapore… They think you are more westernised culture. Think Singapore has both…Gateway to Asia

This is another new topic….

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23 minutes ago, Odyssey2011 said:

Seriously…sometimes i am quite confuse…the Western? or the Eastern?… “But in truth, although ethnic Chinese make up more than 75% of Singapore’s population, it remains a largely anglophone country with a Westernised culture. “  https://www.thinkchina.sg/chinas-misperceptions-singapore… They think you are more westernised culture. Think Singapore has both…Gateway to Asia

This is another new topic….

Singaporean must choose what best work for them with dignity. We don't want to be 2nd class in our own land. We are an independent state and can decide how we want our live. Not what others want us to be. 

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47 minutes ago, Victor68 said:

Singaporean must choose what best work for them with dignity. We don't want to be 2nd class in our own land. We are an independent state and can decide how we want our live. Not what others want us to be. 

新加坡, 加油 !

https://www.stlyrics.com/songs/s/singaporenational58083/wearesingapore2159266.html

This is my country, this is my flag

This is my future, this is my life

This is my family, these are my friends

We are Singapore, Singaporeans

Singapore our homeland, it's here that we belong

All of us united, one people marching on

We've come so far together, our common destiny

Singapore forever, a nation strong and free

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1 hour ago, Odyssey2011 said:

Seriously…sometimes i am quite confuse…the Western? or the Eastern?… “But in truth, although ethnic Chinese make up more than 75% of Singapore’s population, it remains a largely anglophone country with a Westernised culture. “  https://www.thinkchina.sg/chinas-misperceptions-singapore… They think you are more westernised culture. Think Singapore has both…Gateway to Asia

This is another new topic….

Singapore is in that uncomfortable middle ground where we aren’t fully trusted:

Most Americans think Singapore is part of China, except those who’ve been stationed or worked here.

Most Mainland Chinese regard Singapore as 美国的盟友 (America’s ally) given the frequent presence of major US assets here.

Still some way to go in terms of being as neutral as Switzerland.

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2 hours ago, Macrosszero said:

Singapore is in that uncomfortable middle ground where we aren’t fully trusted:

Most Americans think Singapore is part of China, except those who’ve been stationed or worked here.

Most Mainland Chinese regard Singapore as 美国的盟友 (America’s ally) given the frequent presence of major US assets here.

Still some way to go in terms of being as neutral as Switzerland.

 Has to be really careful…😁

两头不到岸 -It’s a similar saying when you don’t manage to achieve either objective, or miss two good opportunities...Or worse becoming like 猪八戒照镜子里外不是人

Your Fate Is in Your Hands…

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16 hours ago, Macrosszero said:

Singapore is in that uncomfortable middle ground where we aren’t fully trusted:

Most Americans think Singapore is part of China, except those who’ve been stationed or worked here.

Most Mainland Chinese regard Singapore as 美国的盟友 (America’s ally) given the frequent presence of major US assets here.

Still some way to go in terms of being as neutral as Switzerland.

to be neutral you must have no foreign military spy assets like swiss, or Djibouti that have multiple foreign bases. sg sort of shares the bases.. but who wants to share a base if the us is already there.

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Supersonic (edited)
19 hours ago, Macrosszero said:

Singapore is in that uncomfortable middle ground where we aren’t fully trusted:

Most Americans think Singapore is part of China, except those who’ve been stationed or worked here.

Most Mainland Chinese regard Singapore as 美国的盟友 (America’s ally) given the frequent presence of major US assets here.

Still some way to go in terms of being as neutral as Switzerland.

Switzerland can afford to be neutral because they have natural defences (terrain), fortified with the Redoubt. They still have conscription (aggressive neutrality) despite all that. You mess with the Swiss, prepare to get your nose bloodied. 

Singapore has nothing by way of natural fortifications. We're as exposed as a nudist on a beach. We need to ally with a strong power, preferably one without the interest or immediate capability to directly encroach on our meagre territorial sovereignty. China may not exactly be trustworthy on the last score, so that leaves the US/NATO powers as the obvious choice. 

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Supersonic
21 hours ago, Beregond said:

or u feel the world should be run by a small group??

But the world *is* run by a small group. 

Hint: sounds like

😁

 

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