China's mass surveillance of the world for secrets and scandal

[inlinesix]

2 hours ago, Scion said:

this post of yours show you know nuts about history and diplomacy

so no point debating with u on this.. tsk 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Secession_Law

"Article eight deals with non-peaceful action, and is the article which has caused the most controversy and attention. It states that the State shall use non-peaceful and other necessary means under these alternative conditions:

if "Taiwan independence" forces, under whatever name and method, accomplish the fact of Taiwan's separation from China,

or if a major event occurs which would lead to Taiwan's separation from China,

or if all possibility of peaceful unification is lost."

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/反分裂國家法

"最受瞩目的第八条则列明在三种情况下政府得采取“非和平方式及其他必要措施，捍卫国家主权和领土完整”。这三种情况是：

台湾从中国分裂出去的事实；

发生将会导致台湾从中国分裂出去的重大事变；

和平统一的可能性完全丧失。"

 

[Victor68]

2 hours ago, Singa said:

I agree with you that US has done many bad things in the past.

I don't think having wars is ever good, it's only the civilians that suffer. Even if US is bombed, it's only the civilians, the bad decision makers will not be punished. So many bad things happened in the past, is it  correct to punish the present generation for the deeds done by their forefathers?

There is a country that did not use bomb, but instead uses it's own people to kill it's own people and the party that oversees this is still in power. They even amended the textbook recently to remove the words "in mistake" when referring to starting the Cultural Revolution.

 

USA is still bombing till to this minute. Bullying is still ongoing. All these are not against their own citizens but others. Do you agree?

Cultural revolution is an internal affair. CCP didn't officially agree nor deny. As I have said before, events change things. Right or wrong as long as within their family,  let them solve internally. 

[Scion]

2 hours ago, Singa said:

if you know better, then present your ideas and proof to refute. calling others nuts and making disparaging statements about other does not make you any more knowledgeable.

I never even insult you

You cannot differentiate the difference between "you know nuts" and "you are nuts"?

How about "you eat nuts"?

😂

[Beregond]

19 minutes ago, Victor68 said:

USA is still bombing till to this minute. Bullying is still ongoing. All these are not against their own citizens but others. Do you agree?

Cultural revolution is an internal affair. CCP didn't officially agree nor deny. As I have said before, events change things. Right or wrong as long as within their family,  let them solve internally. 

the problem of china and tw now is all the act of USA. they prevent ccp from uniting china by stopping ccp from crossing the sea to chase the running KMT.

its the same as the problems korea is facing now. they send their army to prevent korea from being united under 1. 

they try the same thing at vietnam but fail. 

china is lucky only a small tw is not recapture. 

some pros do a tally before. 90% of the current current conflict in the world is due to directly or indirectly the act of western powers.

its best shown in india, break them into small pcs, separate them into different group and religion  , let them fight 1 another forever, and it will be easier to rule over them.

[Nolicense]

2 hours ago, inlinesix said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Secession_Law

"Article eight deals with non-peaceful action, and is the article which has caused the most controversy and attention. It states that the State shall use non-peaceful and other necessary means under these alternative conditions:

if "Taiwan independence" forces, under whatever name and method, accomplish the fact of Taiwan's separation from China,

or if a major event occurs which would lead to Taiwan's separation from China,

or if all possibility of peaceful unification is lost."

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/反分裂國家法

"最受瞩目的第八条则列明在三种情况下政府得采取“非和平方式及其他必要措施，捍卫国家主权和领土完整”。这三种情况是：

台湾从中国分裂出去的事实；

发生将会导致台湾从中国分裂出去的重大事变；

和平统一的可能性完全丧失。"

 

so? they never signed a peace treaty or armistice. technically still fighting. if still fighting can say i give up fighting unilaterally means you are going to surrender si bo?

[Nolicense]

10 minutes ago, Beregond said:

the problem of china and tw now is all the act of USA. they prevent ccp from uniting china by stopping ccp from crossing the sea to chase the running KMT.

its the same as the problems korea is facing now. they send their army to prevent korea from being united under 1. 

they try the same thing at vietnam but fail. 

china is lucky only a small tw is not recapture. 

some pros do a tally before. 90% of the current current conflict in the world is due to directly or indirectly the act of western powers.

its best shown in india, break them into small pcs, separate them into different group and religion  , let them fight 1 another forever, and it will be easier to rule over them.

speaking of which, must be cia allow kerala commies to win the election. cant be china.. because even kerala people hate china.

[Nolicense]

37 minutes ago, Scion said:

I never even insult you

You cannot differentiate the difference between "you know nuts" and "you are nuts"?

How about "you eat nuts"?

😂

give up la. for all you know he is wumao. here to stir anti-china sentiment and create reverse psychology. end up i from support neither usa plutocracy and socialism with chinese characteristics to become sympathetic to china bashing and mindless western drivel.

i'd say if he was, mission success. i never felt i had to post anything to debunk china conspiracies as i thought people were able to see for themselves or reason out. now i think otherwise.

these wumao getting too sneaky. better than the russians at "fbing" fb

fyi people think sg is china-lite. if i already dislike sg governance, how can i advocate china governance more than sg? 

at least here we get to play election. so long as it is pap approved opposition

Edited June 28, 2021 by Nolicense

[Victor68]

45 minutes ago, Singa said:

sounds about right until the day you get screwed by their actions.

Of course when we are screwed us, we will fight back but you cannot be imagining things and say people will do this and that to you when nothing have happen before. while many things have already happen but you still think they will not do it to you right? 

[Victor68]

35 minutes ago, Beregond said:

the problem of china and tw now is all the act of USA. they prevent ccp from uniting china by stopping ccp from crossing the sea to chase the running KMT.

its the same as the problems korea is facing now. they send their army to prevent korea from being united under 1. 

they try the same thing at vietnam but fail. 

china is lucky only a small tw is not recapture. 

some pros do a tally before. 90% of the current current conflict in the world is due to directly or indirectly the act of western powers.

its best shown in india, break them into small pcs, separate them into different group and religion  , let them fight 1 another forever, and it will be easier to rule over them.

USA strategy is so obvious. They wanted a disunited Asia like middle east. The more you guys fight, the better for them. While for a long time the fighting is happening in middle east, we definitely don't want to see them coming to Asia. India loves to be split so be it. History has shown India was never in any expansion mood, they only get divided by their masters. 

 

[Victor68]

58 minutes ago, Singa said:

I have already added some forumers to ignore list as their comments are quite pointless, just out to insult.

That fact that I can still see your comments means that I still respect you for keeping the discussion civil and that you are just giving your points just as I am airing mine.  Our views can't be reconciled, it is too different (that's fine too).

To response to your previously point, I don't think we should ignore China's constant threat against Taiwan. Imaging you walk past your neighbour 1 fine day and he started cursing at you and threatening to kill your whole family,  and he repeats it day after day as and when he feels like it. He never carry out his threat yet? Is that fine?

It's also worrying that we have people outside CCP's education system, parroting their lines. What is socialism with Chinese characteristic? Then Vietnam is socialism with Vietnamese characteristic, right? Same reasoning for Cuba, North Korea etc. The term itself it meaningless. It is very strange to allow CCP to dictate what you can think, how you think, what you can or cannot say, what you can or cannot criticize.

I also cannot agree with you on:

     >> Right or wrong as long as within their family,  let them solve internally. 

Yes, they can solve it internally, who else can solve it right? But I get to decide what I think and if I want to critic them.

 

Also, I have agreed many times that US has done bad things in the past, but some forum-ers are still out to get me. Guess what, that's fine too. It's the beauty of online forum, isn't it? 😀

Oh dear, you should ignore my post then if that will makes you feel better. for me, it is always about factual and truth. Regardless it is USA or China, we Singaporean can only take care of our own interest first. I don't support anyone just because they are powerful now. They will drop you like a hot potato once their interest is threaten.

Good luck.  

[Victor68]

58 minutes ago, Singa said:

Sometimes it takes 2 hands to clap.

Who incurred into Malaysia's airspace recently with 16 of their military planes? Did US force them to do this? US bad, China good?

Did US also force China to reclaim coral reefs in South China Sea?

Again, intrusion and bombing killing people are very big different things. USA intrusion is real planes with real bombs, not fly by only. They occupy and then withdraw once their interest is not more there. 

[inlinesix]

1 minute ago, Victor68 said:

Oh dear, you should ignore my post then if that will makes you feel better. for me, it is always about factual and truth. Regardless it is USA or China, we Singaporean can only take care of our own interest first. I don't support anyone just because they are powerful now. They will drop you like a hot potato once their interest is threaten.

Good luck.  

For Singapore interest, a strong PRC is a no no.

Especially their insistence of SCS being their coastal water.

Too close for Singapore comfort.

[Victor68]

3 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

For Singapore interest, a strong PRC is a no no.

Especially their insistence of SCS being their coastal water.

Too close for Singapore comfort.

Then a strong british or america present is good? Be a colonial better? We need all super powers to be present in Singapore. They all have interest in us, who will want to fight us? I think George Yeo also says so in the recent interview and he is definitely not saying this on his own. 

Edited June 28, 2021 by Victor68

[inlinesix]

Just now, Victor68 said:

Then a strong british or america present is good? Be a colonial better? We need all super powers to be present in Singapore. They all have interest in us, we will want to fight us? I think George Yeo also says so in the recent interview and he is definitely not saying this on his own. 

Similarly, is having a strong PRC good for us?
Don’t forget Terrex Incident.

 

[Victor68]

1 minute ago, inlinesix said:

Similarly, is having a strong PRC good for us?
Don’t forget Terrex Incident.

 

Boy, I have said, we need all not China alone. Even if you are a chinese, you think China treat you as one of them? Worse, if you speak like an ang moh, you are still not ang moh, at most a good interpreter only. We need a balance power. One power gets too strong, they will push you around like rubbish. We have witnessed this many times just over the last 40 years if you are in your 60ies. 

[Macrosszero]

1 hour ago, Victor68 said:

Of course when we are screwed us, we will fight back but you cannot be imagining things and say people will do this and that to you when nothing have happen before. while many things have already happen but you still think they will not do it to you right? 

Terrex (2017)

[Victor68]

3 minutes ago, Macrosszero said:

Terrex (2017)

Why Terrex and what is the message from China that trigger this? Of course technically are they right or wrong and if we are China or USA what will we do if a tiny red dot try to be funny with you, that is another debate. The bigger question is, can we don't friend them? In China case, we can choose not to be friend and follow India but in many countries like Afghanistan and Iraq, they didn't get a chance to choose. 

[Nolicense]

23 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

Similarly, is having a strong PRC good for us?
Don’t forget Terrex Incident.

 

this kishore, lky and many have said similar. just because sg has majority chinese, the prc think we should think like them, which is not so. they think "why sg having military exercise in taiwan?", but sg history we all know better. we have relations with those countries when we started, we will keep these relations close.

the prc has misread sg. sg may have majority chinese but the geopolitics and interests are all different. 

will they continue to misread? or do they already understand our position, but just want to scare a kid by with holding their toy?

they have every right to detain the terrex. we screwed up by sending it there. dont blame others because we violated their laws.

they returned it in the end at least not in bolts and nuts like for the us.

i made all the geopolitical points here. what is the lesson you want to tell us by reminding us of the terrex incident? that a strong prc will claim pedra branca?