Nolicense Turbocharged May 5, 2021 Share May 5, 2021 39 minutes ago, Lethalstrike said: If your assumption is true, that means the gov has discounted the potency of the mutated strains causing the spike in India. As far as I know, our gov only stop short term visit pass, long term visit pass and dependent passes from India on the 23rd of April. That's just 13 days ago. The first national wide lockdown was introduced in India on the 25th of March. And that's 2 months after the WHO declared the outbreak in India a public health emergency of international concern back in late January. That's a 3 months of reaction time for the gov to react, so its not as what you wrote "anyway they reacted when it got very bad recently". I'm putting out the actual dates here, so you know it's not I'm biased against the gov. 9 minutes ago, Weez911 said: Lawrence Wong clearly doesn't know what is risk-based approach. Below are a number of clear factors that indicate so: 1) India has been grappling with systemic and massive Covid management failure. It is the worst hit (is this even debatable?) country in the world in terms of infections and deaths - also see #3 below. 2) Incomings from India continue to be one of the biggest contributors to our daily infections. 3) The 1617 strains and sub-strains are known to "have higher attack rates, more infectious and they are causing larger clusters than before" - in Lawrence's own words no less. 4) The govt clearly has passenger volume and traffic data between Singapore and India, and transit countries. They can't claim ignorance on many people coming in from India. 5) Why are we still issuing social, dependent, short-term passes to them on the back of #1, #2, and #3 above? I know we have stopped only recently but why so many of them issued in the months during which India has been hit hard? Hence, how on earth does #2 above keep happening? It doesn't make sense in a risk-based approach. Any risk management specialist here - feel free to chip in. And how do we, as a sovereign nation, get to that stage where we are so dependent on foreigners from a specific country to keep us going? What has gone wrong? Please don't talk about SDP or WP here. It is not relevant and strawman argument is not welcome. ok la.. think that heartlander shut up liao.. maybe he is IB ↡ Advertisement 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noobcarbuyer 5th Gear May 5, 2021 Share May 5, 2021 The spin is strong in this article. www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/behaviour-of-people-holds-key-to-success-of-singapores-tighter-covid-19-measures 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolicense Turbocharged May 5, 2021 Share May 5, 2021 i see CNA say indonesia reuse the swab and people kenna covid because of it. cant find the news article. i remember they also sell used mask as new.. i tot reuse condom already very bad... but to make it look like new takes great skill 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellandross Supersonic May 5, 2021 Share May 5, 2021 25 minutes ago, Wt_know said: yalor ... each time when MCF said stop imports then people complain economy how ... construction how i don't know how the simi short term pass, long term pass, visitor pass and dependent pass help in our construction economy i have no qualms for FW ... i respect FW ... without them we got no BTO no condo as long as we have a stringent process to import them ... then we are good ... but we must up our standard la and not anyhow import the "fake covid test report" ... even NZ down under also know there are fake report on sale in India street but now that situation has turned into *9696* ... must ban all flights! This is the kind of inconvenient case that gets quickly swept under the carpet https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-new-cases-april-28-ttsh-nurse-ward-9d-ica-officer-14709072 Case 62049 is a 79-year-old Indian national who had arrived from India to visit his son, a Singapore permanent resident. He tested positive for COVID-19 on Apr 16. His wife was placed on quarantine in a government quarantine facility and tested negative a few times. Their son, who is identified as Case 62373, had requested to take care of his mother at the quarantine facility and was confirmed to have COVID-19 on Apr 24. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethalstrike Turbocharged May 5, 2021 Share May 5, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Weez911 said: Lawrence Wong clearly doesn't know what is risk-based approach. Below are a number of clear factors that indicate so: 1) India has been grappling with systemic and massive Covid management failure. It is the worst hit (is this even debatable?) country in the world in terms of infections and deaths - also see #3 below. 2) Incomings from India continue to be one of the biggest contributors to our daily infections. 3) The 1617 strains and sub-strains are known to "have higher attack rates, more infectious and they are causing larger clusters than before" - in Lawrence's own words no less. 4) The govt clearly has passenger volume and traffic data between Singapore and India, and transit countries. They can't claim ignorance on many people coming in from India. 5) Why are we still issuing social, dependent, short-term passes to them on the back of #1, #2, and #3 above? I know we have stopped only recently but why so many of them issued in the months during which India has been hit hard? Hence, how on earth does #2 above keep happening? It doesn't make sense in a risk-based approach. Any risk management specialist here - feel free to chip in. And how do we, as a sovereign nation, get to that stage where we are so dependent on foreigners from a specific country to keep us going? What has gone wrong? Please don't talk about SDP or WP here. It is not relevant and strawman argument is not welcome. And how do we, as a sovereign nation, get to that stage where we are so dependent on foreigners from a specific country to keep us going? What has gone wrong? We're oversold on the idea to pivot to India, period. And that we don't know what to do once people from India cannot come in. In 2002, when Goh Chok Tong was still PM, there is a recognized need to reduce dependency on China, and thus a Economic Partnership Agreement (precursor to CECA) was agreed to be kicked off with then India's PM Atal Bihari Vajpayee. The spirit of the EPA will serve as a basis to provide a strong foothold for Indian companies in the ASEAN region, while giving greater confidence to Singapore companies (aka Temasek) that want to invest in India. Ok, enough of history lesson. Our risk-based approach is probably based on seeing data first, before acting. For China, its act first then think later. I think in a nutshell, this sort of thinking among the policy makers is what did us in, resulting in a repeat of what has happened back to us back in early 2020. Unlike Israel practice in intelligence gathering, we don't have the practice of the tenth man rule, the one guy to play the devil's advocate to disagree with the other 9 guys and point out flaws in the decision they made. We probably only had yes men. So, from a risk mitigation point of view, its a severe lack of critical judgement. The thinking is that in the quest to save the economy, some degree of risk taking on public health is to be accepted with calibrated measures in place, until the gov screwed up. Edited May 5, 2021 by Lethalstrike 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey10 Supercharged May 5, 2021 Share May 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, noobcarbuyer said: The spin is strong in this article. www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/behaviour-of-people-holds-key-to-success-of-singapores-tighter-covid-19-measures Tai Chi Master!! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey10 Supercharged May 5, 2021 Share May 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jellandross said: This is the kind of inconvenient case that gets quickly swept under the carpet https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-new-cases-april-28-ttsh-nurse-ward-9d-ica-officer-14709072 Case 62049 is a 79-year-old Indian national who had arrived from India to visit his son, a Singapore permanent resident. He tested positive for COVID-19 on Apr 16. His wife was placed on quarantine in a government quarantine facility and tested negative a few times. Their son, who is identified as Case 62373, had requested to take care of his mother at the quarantine facility and was confirmed to have COVID-19 on Apr 24. that's the mil dollar question the LW or the task force have yet to come out and answer! Why a 79 yr old Indian allowed to arrive? 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethalstrike Turbocharged May 5, 2021 Share May 5, 2021 17 minutes ago, noobcarbuyer said: The spin is strong in this article. www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/behaviour-of-people-holds-key-to-success-of-singapores-tighter-covid-19-measures This is PRECISELY one of the articles which is directly insinuating its the fault of the local populace, and the responsibility lies on the locals squarely. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeder Hypersonic May 5, 2021 Share May 5, 2021 https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/g7-delegates-self-isolating-under-072845289.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3J1bXMuaGFyZHdhcmV6b25lLmNvbS5zZy90aHJlYWRzL3NvbmctYm9oLTItbWVtYmVycy1vZi1pbmRpYS1kZWxlZ2F0aW9uLWF0LWc3LXRlc3QtcG9zaXRpdmUtZm9yLWNvdmlkLjY1MDkzNzgv&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADHoA081NFYwITY3PuIWIk5kAw8g-wsPVEwb329m01W9NmmYawwMvIUqfI-Kjkw17gjilx2eVuzNhaL0fABbbT3HiVK40_ebF2Z9H3yn_qatJ-FOHLHek3-WOpAwJNtQFiVbV-X8M4q7eYdFHH8zQnaLMKYeBlfGS6oCFWP_vQDw India diplomats also have Covid... Can’t fathom those daily shit loads of imports into Sgp... 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethalstrike Turbocharged May 5, 2021 Share May 5, 2021 33 minutes ago, Nolicense said: ok la.. think that heartlander shut up liao.. maybe he is IB We are more than happy to give him the benefit of doubt to argue his case with facts, not just with strawman arguments or red herrings. But every single one of his response to our comments has been unconvincing, so far. I don't believe he is a paid IB of the gov, probably just a strong supporter of the PAP. I'm fine with that, but please argue your case with facts. 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueray Hypersonic May 5, 2021 Share May 5, 2021 Gan to remain task force co-chair Quote Health Minister Gan Kim Yong will continue as a co-chair of the multi-ministry task force (MTF) on Covid-19 even after leaving for the Ministry of Trade and Industry. This means there will be three co-chairs from May 15, when new health minister Ong Ye Kung takes on the role of co-chair of the task force. Education Minister Lawrence Wong, who will be Singapore's next finance minister, remains as a co-chair. Mr Gan, who has been helming the Ministry of Health for a decade, has been at the forefront of the fight against Covid-19 from day one. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/gan-to-remain-task-force-co-chair no running away ... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Supersonic May 5, 2021 Share May 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Blueray said: Gan to remain task force co-chair https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/gan-to-remain-task-force-co-chair no running away ... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeder Hypersonic May 5, 2021 Share May 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, Blueray said: Gan to remain task force co-chair https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/gan-to-remain-task-force-co-chair no running away ... If PAP is magnanimous enough, they should appt Paul T. to lead the team... We have a world renown infectious Prof here and we chose the latter.. Now it’s not a game of cards, it’s a pandemic getting out of control by their mismanagement of control of the borders.. Nbzzz.. got to take out my apron again.. KNN.. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff69 Hypersonic May 5, 2021 Share May 5, 2021 48 minutes ago, noobcarbuyer said: The spin is strong in this article. www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/behaviour-of-people-holds-key-to-success-of-singapores-tighter-covid-19-measures same turd? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethalstrike Turbocharged May 5, 2021 Share May 5, 2021 27 minutes ago, Blueray said: Gan to remain task force co-chair https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/gan-to-remain-task-force-co-chair no running away ... Gan's role of co-chair summarized 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icedbs Turbocharged May 5, 2021 Share May 5, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Blueray said: Gan to remain task force co-chair https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/gan-to-remain-task-force-co-chair no running away ... Errr...three co-chairs ? Edited May 5, 2021 by Icedbs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopites Supersonic May 5, 2021 Share May 5, 2021 32 minutes ago, Freeder said: If PAP is magnanimous enough, they should appt Paul T. to lead the team... We have a world renown infectious Prof here and we chose the latter.. Now it’s not a game of cards, it’s a pandemic getting out of control by their mismanagement of control of the borders.. Nbzzz.. got to take out my apron again.. KNN.. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/paul-tambyah-first-singaporean-infectious-diseases-isid-12847020 More than qualify than anyone else in Singapore to speak on this matter. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellandross Supersonic May 5, 2021 Share May 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lethalstrike said: Unlike Israel practice in intelligence gathering, we don't have the practice of the tenth man rule, the one guy to play the devil's advocate to disagree with the other 9 guys and point out flaws in the decision they made. We probably only had yes men. So, from a risk mitigation point of view, its a severe lack of critical judgement. The thinking is that in the quest to save the economy, some degree of risk taking on public health is to be accepted with calibrated measures in place, until the gov screwed up. Maybe they HAD a tenth man who took his devil's advocate job too seriously until he got "promoted" LOL Edited May 5, 2021 by Jellandross ↡ Advertisement 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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