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KL-Singapore High Speed Rail terminated after both countries fail to reach agreement on M'sia's proposed changes to project

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6 minutes ago, Voodooman said:

Bro, HSR is expensive, what is the expected traffic volume from JB to KL?  

The viability of HSR is largely dependent on taking over traffic, no 1 or 2 in the world, from the SG/ KL flight corridor. We would be stupid to kill Changi / SIA without a stake in the HSR project. Luckily it is a LRT project. 

The main traffic volume btw KL and SG is Express Bus.  Not air traffic.

Most express bus from KL goes directly to Sg.  Sometimes via JB.

If HSR stops in Bkt Chagar, confirm loss money till pants drop.

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HSR was terminated? Then how about those land that vacant at sg side to make way for the HSR project? Example like the Jurong Country Club.

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19 minutes ago, Voodooman said:

Bro, HSR is expensive, what is the expected traffic volume from JB to KL?  

The viability of HSR is largely dependent on taking over traffic, no 1 or 2 in the world, from the SG/ KL flight corridor. We would be stupid to kill Changi / SIA without a stake in the HSR project. Luckily SG-JB is a LRT project. 

i am always skeptical about KL-SIN HSR ... look at the success stories of HSR in Asia

Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan and China ...  KL-SIN HSR does not mimic the ingredients to success compare to these countries

even Taiwan is not really making money?

12 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

The main traffic volume btw KL and SG is Express Bus.  Not air traffic.

Most express bus from KL goes directly to Sg.  Sometimes via JB.

If HSR stops in Bkt Chagar, confirm loss money till pants drop.

Bus route is easy to maintain ... the operating cost is low and profit margin is sustainable

if HSR ridership is low ... i speculate anything below 60-70% = loss making?

the "fixed" operating cost for HSR is sibei jialat ... for bus operator fix + variable cost can manage

 

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10 minutes ago, 13177 said:

HSR was terminated? Then how about those land that vacant at sg side to make way for the HSR project? Example like the Jurong Country Club.

can always convert to commercial buildings. Just need to expand from existing sites. 

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7 minutes ago, Wt_know said:

i am always skeptical about KL-SIN HSR ... look at the success stories of HSR in Asia

Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan and China ...  KL-SIN HSR does not mimic the ingredients to success compare to these countries

even Taiwan is not really making money?

Bus route is easy to maintain ... the operating cost is low and profit margin is sustainable

if HSR ridership is low ... i speculate anything below 60-70% = loss making?

the "fixed" operating cost for HSR is sibei jialat ... for bus operator fix + variable cost can manage

Currently, annual air travel btw KL and SG is around 4m passenger.

If HSR macan half of that, the revenue is not enough to cover annual depreciation cost.

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2 hours ago, Mkl22 said:

If they are dumb enough to build HSR within Malaysia alone, then good luck. 

anyway, I am so happy this HSR was terminated. 

As someone with interest in trains, i know our neighbour has electrified and double tracked their network all the way from north johor to thai border. Lots of level crossings changed to viaducts, and the electric trains (looks similar to KLIA train but in yellow, from Japan/Korea/China) already run up to 140kmh. Once they complete the Johor-JB portion in 2022, they can bring in next generation rolling stock which are already considered HSR  ( >200kmh)

 

 

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7 hours ago, RadX said:

Terminated

 

KL-Singapore High Speed Rail terminated, after Singapore and Malaysia fail to reach agreement on project
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/kl-singapore-high-speed-rail-terminated-after-singapore-and-malaysia-fail-to

The properties in Jurong how huh?

Maybe the LRT to JB in Woodlands also affected?

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12 minutes ago, Windwaver said:

The properties in Jurong how huh?

Maybe the LRT to JB in Woodlands also affected?

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won't affect much


HSR terminated: Will property value in Jurong take a hit?
https://www.99.co/blog/singapore/high-speed-rail-hsr-jurong-condo/?fbclid=IwAR2BSxN_52K2SXoRcns2vBe3zoGSV8lM5of19Ifl822ezH4uAV1xhBXhwqk

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36 minutes ago, Karoon said:

As someone with interest in trains, i know our neighbour has electrified and double tracked their network all the way from north johor to thai border. Lots of level crossings changed to viaducts, and the electric trains (looks similar to KLIA train but in yellow, from Japan/Korea/China) already run up to 140kmh. Once they complete the Johor-JB portion in 2022, they can bring in next generation rolling stock which are already considered HSR  ( >200kmh)

yeah [thumbsup] 

they have figured out why reinvent the wheel where they already has ETS aka HSR - 1 version 

i guess the top speed of 140km/h is more due to the track? train can be upgraded easily especially the head but track safety is challenging

 

 

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At least all these leads to the private clubs giving up their expensive golf courses, hopefully can repurpose for public use.

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25 minutes ago, Ender said:

At least all these leads to the private clubs giving up their expensive golf courses, hopefully can repurpose for public use.

perhaps, that's the Plan B (fall back plan) [sly]  [laugh] .... muahahaha

sure have run through the worst case scenario liao ... lol

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URA may need to do some editing on its "Jurong Lake District: The Second CBD" promotion video  [laugh]

 

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1 hour ago, Karoon said:

As someone with interest in trains, i know our neighbour has electrified and double tracked their network all the way from north johor to thai border. Lots of level crossings changed to viaducts, and the electric trains (looks similar to KLIA train but in yellow, from Japan/Korea/China) already run up to 140kmh. Once they complete the Johor-JB portion in 2022, they can bring in next generation rolling stock which are already considered HSR  ( >200kmh)

 

 

Bro, it is not about the tracks or the trains, it is about the competition.  

As correctly pointed out by IL6 and others, the express JB / KL bus service at RM30-40 will bleed the HSR project, already not enough volume and you are so many cheaper options, how to breakeven?

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1 hour ago, Wt_know said:

yeah [thumbsup] 

they have figured out why reinvent the wheel where they already has ETS aka HSR - 1 version 

i guess the top speed of 140km/h is more due to the track? train can be upgraded easily especially the head but track safety is challenging

 

 

Yes ETS use conventional 1m width track, but its not so much the width, rather the turning radius. Hsr track should not have sharp curves. The current tracks still have a few curves, but if that can't be straightened, there are suspension-based solutions for such trains.

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Our Gov always kanna played out big time everywhere, everytime...

From China to ASEAN...

Ownself approve Ownself...

The next parleement sexsion, Jamus will make somebody cry again...

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7 minutes ago, Voodooman said:

Bro, it is not about the tracks or the trains, it is about the competition.  

As correctly pointed out by IL6 and others, the express JB / KL bus service at RM30-40 will bleed the HSR project, already not enough volume and you are so many cheaper options, how to breakeven?

Its not to serve today's demand. Its to serve demand for 2030 and beyond. In transportation, the solution to the problem is always 10 years too late. 

 

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