Sinovac arrives in SG, selected clinics allowed to administer vaccine at a fee

[Nolicense]

18 minutes ago, Jamesc said:

OMG so you know her.

That makes 2 of us 

Edited June 22, 2021 by Nolicense

[Jamesc]

2 minutes ago, Nolicense said:

Thats 2 of us 

You are on your own,

I don't know her.

 

 

[Jamesc]

OK have to lock sensible Jamesc up again.

Next time then let him out to play!

[Nolicense]

1 minute ago, Jamesc said:

You are on your own,

I don't know her.

 

 

oh yea.. thats right, you dont know her. got it. wink wink

that is not Jamesc MIL everyone. my mistake. 😜

[Nolicense]

5 minutes ago, Jamesc said:

OK have to lock sensible Jamesc up again.

Next time then let him out to play!

stop eating the happy pills lor.. 🙂🙃

[Jamesc]

Actually China is very kind to sell SV to other countries.

This is because they can only make 300 million doses a year and since it needs two doses , it is only good for 150m people a year - just over a tenth of China's population.

At this point someone in China will say - huh need 10 years to vaccinate everyone and the government still wants to sell to other countries?

China first lah!

Why sell other countries when we also don't have enough?

[Jamesc]

Of course I know its not kindness lah.

Its vaccine diplomacy to curry favour and buy influence.

Still its a very expensive way to do it when it takes 10 years to fully vaccinate their own country.

[Kb27]

1 hour ago, Jamesc said:

Actually China is very kind to sell SV to other countries.

This is because they can only make 300 million doses a year and since it needs two doses , it is only good for 150m people a year - just over a tenth of China's population.

At this point someone in China will say - huh need 10 years to vaccinate everyone and the government still wants to sell to other countries?

China first lah!

Why sell other countries when we also don't have enough?

China has administered more than 1 billion doses of its Covid-19 vaccines

 

They have 4 approved vaccines from Sinopharm, Sinovac, CanSinoBio

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-vaccine-idUSKBN2AP1MW

[Kb27]

This is about Sinopharm, but since they are using the same "traditional" vaccine..

Hard to find antibodies after 2 jabs..

 

Hungary’s Sinopharm Controversy Gaining Heat Over Low Antibody Tests

After five months of use in Hungary, there is still controversy surrounding the Chinese Sinopharm vaccine. While the government continues to promote its efficacy, many people are taking matters into their own hands, finding that two inoculations do not always lead to the development of antibodies. Semmelweis University rector Béla Merkely continues to defend the vaccine, but the criticism is rapidly increasing.

Since its establishment, the private Facebook group called “Vaccinated with Sinopharm with Negative Laboratory Test Results,” has grown to host five thousand members. The organization continues to call for government officials or health experts to do something about the lack of antibodies they have after two vaccinations with Sinopharm.

[Kb27]

But no worries, little antibodies ? Use pfizer. 😁

 

UAE, Bahrain make Pfizer/BioNTech shot available to those who got Sinopharm vaccine

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Abu Dhabi has offered the Sinopharm shot to the general public since December and started using the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in April. It has been offering third Sinopharm doses since at least last month after it was discovered the shot had not created enough antibodies for some recipients.

In Bahrain, a government representative similarly said those eligible could receive a booster dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech or Sinopharm vaccines regardless of which vaccine they had initially taken.

 

 

And HK finding, antibodies after pfizer vs sinovac jabs

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3137955/coronavirus-those-biontech-jabs-have-stronger

 

Edited June 22, 2021 by Kb27

[CremornePt]

5 hours ago, Kb27 said:

China has administered more than 1 billion doses of its Covid-19 vaccines

Ironically, those 1 billion doses will probably end up being more or less useless in practice.

ST - China to keep Covid-19 border restrictions for another year: Report

Wow. Another year of border closure, just like that. Insane.

[Sosaria]

8 hours ago, CremornePt said:

Ironically, those 1 billion doses will probably end up being more or less useless in practice.

ST - China to keep Covid-19 border restrictions for another year: Report

Wow. Another year of border closure, just like that. Insane.

Good for them to be decisive and since they are pretty much self-sufficient due to their size and population, why not?

It may seem like a steep price, but for that, their people can live almost normal life, crowd tourist spots, enjoy night-life, even go around mask-less.

Whereas here we are locally, still keeping the masks on, even for outdoors, zero night-life, and two per table

 

[inlinesix]

57 minutes ago, Sosaria said:

Good for them to be decisive and since they are pretty much self-sufficient due to their size and population, why not?

It may seem like a steep price, but for that, their people can live almost normal life, crowd tourist spots, enjoy night-life, even go around mask-less.

Whereas here we are locally, still keeping the masks on, even for outdoors, zero night-life, and two per table

Most importantly, China can shut off its border.

[Mooose]

10 hours ago, CremornePt said:

Ironically, those 1 billion doses will probably end up being more or less useless in practice.

ST - China to keep Covid-19 border restrictions for another year: Report

Wow. Another year of border closure, just like that. Insane.

is this then tacit admission that most of their 1 billion vaccinations with the inactivated virus (instead of mrna) is insufficient to protect the locals? 

usually the thinking is that if substantially most of the people are vaccinated, then can open borders (though with various safeguards if necessary) because incoming people they can test before hand or test on arrival, and therefore limit the risks of it being carried in, but even if it is carried in, the locals who have been vaccinated have some level of protection already ..

[Kb27]

 

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Chile weighing issue of third booster dose of COVID-19 vaccine

Chile has relied heavily on the COVID-19 shot developed by China's Sinovac to roll out one of the world's fastest vaccination campaigns, administering 16.8 million doses, along with 3.9 million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and smaller amounts of inoculations from Cansino Biologics and AstraZeneca.

So far, 78 per cent of Chile's target population has received at least one dose, and 61 per cent are fully vaccinated.

Chile was an important early real-world test for the effectiveness of Sinovac's shot. In a study published in April, the Chinese vaccine proved minimally effective at preventing illness after one dose. With a second jab, it was 67 per cent effective in preventing symptomatic infection, 85 per cent effective in preventing hospitalisations and 80 per cent in preventing deaths.

Public health chief Paula Daza told Chile's TVN news station that investigators were now examining how long Sinovac protection lasted, and would report back next month.

"We think that data will show that people who were vaccinated in February and had their second dose in March will likely need a third dose by September," she said.

With Chile predominantly relying on Sinovac, health officials are also facing questions about its ability to withstand some of the more contagious variants.

Earlier this week, more than 350 health workers who had been vaccinated with Sinovac's vaccine in an area of Indonesia hard-hit by the Delta variant fell ill with COVID-19.

No cases of the Delta variant, first identified in India, have been detected in Chile so far, though they have been in neighbouring Peru and Argentina.

 

 

My question would be, if sinovac is not good enough for some people to produce antibodies after 2 jabs; what makes them think the 3rd jab is going to make a difference ?

Do another 10 jabs and the result will be the same as before, nothing, zilch. 

Edited June 23, 2021 by Kb27

[Sosaria]

12 minutes ago, Kb27 said:

 

 

My question would be, if sinovac is not good enough for some people to produce antibodies after 2 jabs; what makes them think the 3rd jab is going to make a difference ?

Do another 10 jabs and the result will be the same as before, nothing, zilch. 

Booster shot principle. Maybe those surveyed had been vaccinated much earlier and the antibodies already worn off.

Maybe every 2-3 months have to jab again  Might be tolerable, but the cost is humongous. 

So now the question on everyone's mind, regardless of what brand of vaccine - how soon to administer the booster?

[Blueray]

Singaporeans, Chinese nationals queue up for Sinovac vaccine, despite regulators’ concerns over efficacy

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3138309/singaporeans-chinese-nationals-queue-sinovac-vaccine

[CremornePt]

5 hours ago, Sosaria said:

Good for them to be decisive and since they are pretty much self-sufficient due to their size and population, why not?

My concern is, if they take the decision to shut down for a full year so easily & vaccines don't seem to affect their risk tolerance, it's perfectly plausible they'll shut down borders for 3-5 years, or however many years it'll take before global infection levels are truly suppressed.