European Super League

[Beregond]

I believe the  big gemany clubs refuse to join.

The best way to stop this is to ensure no more clubs take up their invitations. 

The other  14 epl clubs with epl ceo already having their  own meeting without that 6.

Other top league must do the same.

With only 12 clubs i doubt they will go ahead

[Spring]

39 minutes ago, Jamesc said:

Why people only criticize Liverpool?

Arsenal also signed up, Chelsea signed up, Man City and Man Utd also signed up, Spurs also signed up.

Who only criticize Pool.

Even Gary prick Neville also criticize Pool but never criticize United.

So funny or is it just hypocrisy?

Gary Neville did criticise Man United n esp the Glazers.

https://www.football365.com/news/neville-slams-glazer-scavengers-who-need-booting-out-of-football

This greedy 6 deserve to be condemned as a group and not on individual club basis. There is no more allegiance as far as this is concerned so the fans are united in this aspect. I don't think any fan of the big 6 is pinpointing a particular club cos as u hv rightfully pointed out, they all signed up.

[Beregond]

7 minutes ago, Spring said:

Gary Neville did criticise Man United n esp the Glazers.

https://www.football365.com/news/neville-slams-glazer-scavengers-who-need-booting-out-of-football

This greedy 6 deserve to be condemned as a group and not on individual club basis. There is no more allegiance as far as this is concerned so the fans are united in this aspect. I don't think any fan of the big 6 is pinpointing a particular club cos as u hv rightfully pointed out, they all signed up.

 Even Alot of fans from those big 6 protest.

Pools fans already protest before the leeds game. Kloop and james minler make their feelings known straight away.

I not gonna  subscribe or watch even if chelsea play real or barc every Wednesday. Even if they kick off 9pm timing loh.

Whats the point of watching  a close league.  Its like watching  our s.league. no promotion  or regulation 

[Scion]

the interest in football did obviously wane during Covid19, due to the ban of fans in the stadiums

made the games look like boring training matches

understand the big clubs need money, but so do the small clubs

so not a supporter of this Super League here

if really for the benefits of the fans, might as well organise annual All Stars games like NBA

have the best 22 footballers in the world (or more including the subs) to compete in 2 teams

then we finally can see Messi play with Ronaldo 😁

the revenues earned can go to the players and their clubs (players will be motivated too)

[Fooblack]

i think they need to get the 3 clubs in a single league otherwise it may not work.  cos if a club in single country (e.g. PSG, Porto) wishes to sign on, the govt/football associations can come down hard easily on the single club.  The rest of that league may still well survive without the that single elite club in their country. That is the challenge for the ESL.  If that fails to come through, they may well allow 8 dynamic teams to play in their competition.  

For UK, Italy and Spain, if the football associations proceeds to ban these clubs in their domestic leagues, they are effectively bankrupting themselves because the remaining clubs in their league will no longer command the same commercial value.  They need these elite clubs more than the elite clubs. It is a harsh reality in this regard.  

[StreetFight3r]

Boris Johnson says government will try to stop European Super League

Boris Johnson has promised the government will “look at everything we can do” to block a plan by six leading English football clubs to join a breakaway European Super League, amid rising anger among politicians and fans over the idea.

Officials in the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport are understood to be urgently examining possible options for preventing the scheme and looking at wider ideas to reform the governance of English football.

While it remains unclear what powers ministers may have to impose change, possible options include action to stop the plan under competition laws, or imposing club ownership structures with greater fan involvement.

Downing Street has held open the possibility of legislation to block the plan, with Johnson’s spokesman saying the government was “not looking to rule anything out at this stage”.

He said: “We are considering a range of options. I’m not able to set out full details at this point. We’ll set them out in due course, once we’ve considered all possible options.”

Further details are expected when Oliver Dowden, the culture secretary, makes a Commons statement at about 5pm on Monday.

Speaking on a visit to Gloucestershire, the prime minister said: “I don’t like the look of these proposals, and we’ll be consulted about what we can do.”

Johnson added: “We are going to look at everything that we can do with the football authorities to make sure that this doesn’t go ahead in the way that it’s currently being proposed. I don’t think that it’s good news for fans, I don’t think it’s good news for football in this country.

“These clubs are not just great global brands – of course they’re great global brands – they’re also clubs that have originated historically from their towns, from their cities, from their local communities. They should have a link with those fans, and with the fanbase in their community. So it is very, very important that that continues to be the case.”

Separately, the chair of the Commons culture, media and sport committee condemned what he called “a dark day for football” and said his committee would examine what more could be done in a meeting on Tuesday.

The Conservative MP Julian Knight said: “What’s needed is a fan-led review of football with real teeth and here we have more evidence to strengthen the case for it. Football needs a reset, but this is not the way to do it. The interests of community clubs must be put at the heart of any future plans.”

Labour has called on ministers to use the announcement of the plan, made late on Sunday night, as the impetus to tackle wider governance issues in the English game, a change some Conservative MPs had already been calling for.

Under plans for the midweek competition, which its organisers want to start in August, Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham would join three teams from Italy and three from Spain, and three more to be confirmed, as “founder” clubs, which would always take part.

The merchant bank JP Morgan announced on Monday it would be financing the proposed new league.

Ahead of the announcement of the format, Johnson tweeted that the plan would be “very damaging for football and we support football authorities in taking action”.

Alison McGovern, the shadow sports minister, said the government must step in immediately, and introduce wider changes for the sport in England.

“For too long, the very fans who built football in this country have been treated as an afterthought,” she said. “We’ve seen communities lose their clubs, foreign owners strip assets and wealth, the neglect of the women’s game and fans priced out.

“That must now change. The government must get on with the fan-led review it has promised. There must be an independent regulator established. And these must all focus on long overdue action to ensure that fans can never again be separated from their clubs.”

Also commenting before full details of the plan emerged, the Labour leader, Keir Starmer, said the idea of a super league with some clubs guaranteed participation “cuts across all the things that make football great. It diminishes competition. It pulls up the drawbridge.”

Johnson is also set to face pressure from his own benches. In January, the Conservative MP and former sports minister Helen Grant proposed a bill for an independent football regulator for England, with powers to review finances and redistribute incomes.

In a statement on Monday, Grant said the clubs’ plan “only reinforces the need” for such a watchdog. She said: “A regulator is urgently needed to stand up for the interests of the wider game of football in our country and to put football’s governance on a fairer and more sustainable footing.”

[1fast1]

2 hours ago, Jamesc said:

Why people only criticize Liverpool?

Arsenal also signed up, Chelsea signed up, Man City and Man Utd also signed up, Spurs also signed up.

Who only criticize Pool.

Even Gary prick Neville also criticize Pool but never criticize United.

So funny or is it just hypocrisy?

When it comes to being the target of hypocrites,

Liverpool will always walk alone.

😁

[Fooblack]

For a multi-billion deal in this case, the due diligence in terms of the legality and optionality should have already been covered.  I will be amazed if the govt and FA can find strong loopholes which have not been anticipated by these 12 clubs. 

In short, while the UEFA, FIFA and now the govts are threatening punitive actions, the truth is that if the matter goes to court, it will be a lengthy process for sure.  Both sides may end up with long term judicial processes and during the meantime, can the UEFA, FIFA and FA just ban players and clubs from their competitions?  In essence, they may be doing a breathaway but what laws have they essentially broken? These are commerical lawsuits and I think it may not be so straightforward in issuing these bans. If proven to be uncalled for, the respective governing bodies may lose the case and be ordered to pay punitive costs as well.   The damages/losses of profits of these clubs, if the govts are to pay, could well be very astronomical to start with.  

[Fooblack]

39 minutes ago, Turboflat4 said:

When it comes to being the target of hypocrites,

Liverpool will always walk alone.

😁

The level of criticism arrowed at any single party is always aligned to the level of support and publicity of the the club in question.  Hence, it is not surprising that Utd and Pool are attracting the high level of scrutiny relative to the rest of the other clubs. Even City is not really mentioned elsewhere. Spurs and Arsenal are quieting sitting tight in the background.  

[Kopites]

3 hours ago, Beregond said:

I believe the  big gemany clubs refuse to join.

The best way to stop this is to ensure no more clubs take up their invitations. 

The other  14 epl clubs with epl ceo already having their  own meeting without that 6.

Other top league must do the same.

With only 12 clubs i doubt they will go ahead

German clubs partially owned by the fans.

[Kopites]

The league was formed by the first-division clubs following the 1991–92 season in order to maximize the economic potential of English football. The new league quickly improved the comfort and safety of stadiums, signed lucrative broadcast and sponsorship deals, and began attracting many of the world’s top players and managers. In 1998 Scotland established its own premier league.

http://www.britannica.com/topic/Premier-League

[Jamesc]

I take it as a compliment so many criticism on Pool.

Biggest club in England should expect it.

[Jamesc]

All the threats players cannot play for their countries is bluff one lah.

Most England players play for the top 6 clubs.

If they cannot play then England won't make it to World Cup or Euros.

Same for Spain and Italy.

 

Call their bluff, its not going to happen.

If EPL don't have top 6 then just replace them with 6 from Division 1 lah.

Barnsley, Reading, Brentford, Swansea will all be back in the EPL.

I wonder if their fans are saying On with ESL? 

[Jamesc]

If England Spain Italy cannot get to world cup then maybe Spore got chance.

2022 here we come.

[Jamesc]

Singapore and Malaysia should do a join bid for the world cup like korea/Japan.

Then it will be our time zone and we can all go national stadium and watch.

[Cooliechang]

https://youtu.be/jt6GhgXGNSg

funny guy ranting about esl. 
 

 

[Kopites]

16 hours ago, Jamesc said:

All the threats players cannot play for their countries is bluff one lah.

Most England players play for the top 6 clubs.

If they cannot play then England won't make it to World Cup or Euros.

Same for Spain and Italy.

 

Call their bluff, its not going to happen.

If EPL don't have top 6 then just replace them with 6 from Division 1 lah.

Barnsley, Reading, Brentford, Swansea will all be back in the EPL.

I wonder if their fans are saying On with ESL? 

Ban players. Ban the 6 clubs. Nonsense.

Take away the 6 clubs EPL is nothing. West Ham vs southampton? Sky / BT won't allowed it to happen. The contract need to redraw. Financial implication will be too huge for the other EPL clubs alone to take the punch. The legal aspect. The financial aspect. 

Let remember all the owners of the top 6 are businessmen. Footballing culture rank higher than monetary ? JP morgan aren't dump if there aren't huge profit from super league.

The biggest culprit are the fifa and european association. For years they have been the vampire increasing the number of games. Increasing the number of teams so as to get more tv revenue. 

The other english clubs are making all the noises now because they weren't invited. Open a door for them see whether they would reject.

The formation of premier league 30 years ago resulted the english league to become one of the riches league in the world.  Is a fact. Premier took away our free to air matches on TV. Million still pay monthly subscription to them. Fifa forever increasing world cup subscription. All point to an evovling footballing culture. 

Money do the talking now. 

 

[Lala81]

Overnight the outrage of the fans and widespread anger seems to be scuttling the ESL plans. Orbigoot.

Many of the players categorically are upset. 

For those people who say the clubs are the powerhouses, it's actually the players. 

Bruno and pogba says no, u think man u will say yes? Similarly if salah, fabinho, Alison say no.