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COVID-19: Phase 2 Heightened Alert 16 May to 13 June


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Hypersonic
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Goddamn Yes!

And it’s not a hindsight thing.

Many already told them earlier but was not heeded.

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4 hours ago, yishunite said:

78:300 (roughly 1:4) sounds good until u realize our ratio of vaccinated to unvaccinated is a mere 25% aka 1:3. Like boh effect for stopping transmission or am I wrong

Any stats expert can tell us what would be a good ratio for a "95% effective" vaccine? 

The 78:300 ratio, you got to further consider that those 78 are working in jobs that exposed them repeatedly to the virus infection. Such as dealing with "south asian" passengers every day on the job. In other words the virus was given more "chances" to crack the vaccine armour.

So the fact that 78 people still got infected despite vaccination is not a true reflection of the actual efficacy of the vaccine. OYK could have improved his answer by pointing this out.

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53 minutes ago, Yewheng said:

If there is explosion of dormitories this time round, it's will also a good time to conduct trial to see hows the effect of vaccinated fw and see the trend. If the result shows majority or all of time no need to be hospitalised. Then it would be a good news and can then plan ahead based on this piece of information to ensure safe overseas travel and also have more predictability in terms on less changes here and there on the covid-19 situation for businesses.

Given limited supply of vaccines now that there's a plan to vaccinate kids as well, and if there's a need to vaccinate more FW ..... time to break out the sinovac??

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https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/jem-westgate-shopping-malls-closed-2-weeks-covid-19-transmission-14865464

"The other case, a 54-year-old Singaporean who works as a warehouse manager at Sony Electronics, went for the COVID-19 swab on May 21 and developed a fever that night. 

He has been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, having received his second dose on May 21."

 

This unique case actually proves that even the 54yo had taken the first dose of the vaccine it is not 100% safe. Not say 100% lah but was it 80 over %?  LoL...he has taken the swab test and 2nd dose vaccination all on the same day. Although it is said that the vaccine will not affect the covid infection test (i google wan) i have doubts. Does it really?

Anyway I am not here to challenge anything. It is just that there seems to be a lot of doubts because of the case above. About the effectiveness of the first jab and about the swab test.

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6 minutes ago, Sosaria said:

Given limited supply of vaccines now that there's a plan to vaccinate kids as well, and if there's a need to vaccinate more FW ..... time to break out the sinovac??

Only 12 to 15

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There are enough idiots who think that just because they have received both doses of vaccinations that they are immune to infection and are thus cavalier in moving around as though there is no chance of catching it.

These are outliers that pose problems for health care planners who have to decide how hard to lock us down. 

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24 minutes ago, Watwheels said:

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/jem-westgate-shopping-malls-closed-2-weeks-covid-19-transmission-14865464

"The other case, a 54-year-old Singaporean who works as a warehouse manager at Sony Electronics, went for the COVID-19 swab on May 21 and developed a fever that night. 

He has been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, having received his second dose on May 21."

 

This is the weirdest decision to make, go for 2nd jab AND swab test on the same day?? Why would he do that?

Having a fever after the 2nd jab is quite a commonly reported side effect.

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23 minutes ago, Watwheels said:

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/jem-westgate-shopping-malls-closed-2-weeks-covid-19-transmission-14865464

"The other case, a 54-year-old Singaporean who works as a warehouse manager at Sony Electronics, went for the COVID-19 swab on May 21 and developed a fever that night. 

He has been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, having received his second dose on May 21."

 

This unique case actually proves that even the 54yo had taken the first dose of the vaccine it is not 100% safe. LoL...he has taken the swab test and 2nd dose vaccination all on the same day. Although it is said that the vaccine will not affect the covid infection test (i google wan) i have doubts. Does it really?

Anyway I am not here to challenge anything. It is just that there seems to be a lot of doubts because of the case above. About the effectiveness of the first jab and about the swab test.

I thought already well known now that getting vaccinated is not able to prevent being infected, but just not getting the severe symptoms thus saving the life potentially? 

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12 minutes ago, Heartlander said:

I thought already well known now that getting vaccinated is not able to prevent being infected, but just not getting the severe symptoms thus saving the life potentially? 

There is no mention that the 54yo was feeling sick otherwise the report would have said he went to a gp. He volunteer for the swab hence he is ok until that night he had a fever which is most likely from the 2nd jab.

He is infected but displayed no symptoms before he went for the swab. Actually what he did doesnt help. LoL... It made things more confusing. If indeed the 1st jab has some effectiveness all the more our population should get the 1st jab immediately.

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Man who got first Covid-19 dose died of heart attack; MOH says panel concluded death unrelated to vaccine

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/man-who-got-first-covid-19-dose-died-heart-attack-moh-says-panel-concluded-death-unrelated?fbclid=IwAR3pbUgOJYBiaGs2OKaMkg4lBtFebjqSd5Vjnt-vrRmvypmg095OBedlOUc

Not related to vaccine of course.

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3 hours ago, Kyrios said:

Sorry hor, according to this gentleman, the nasi padang madam business can collapse for all he care..definitely no warmth here

 

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If 100 malls and 1000 restaurants die, is there a need to build more empty malls?

If people are loosing their jobs, the government will need to spend more (tax payer’s money) to provide more relief packages.

Is he implying that these Foreigners are paying majority of the taxes in Singapore, which the government can utilise for the relief packages to Singaporean? 
 
it is ulmost important to develop local talent to develop Singapore Economy. We should have learned enough from foreign talents in the past. And our education should have prepared the new graduates to ride the wave.

To say that we lack of local talent to ride the wave is to slap ourselves to say that we have not learned a single thing for the past 50 odd years. And our education is a total flop?

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2 hours ago, Jamesc said:

Better take the boys to the Indian barber just in case.

Oh very sorry I mean the South Asian barber.

:D

 

The head massage damn solid..

Hopefully, the water 💦 not from Ganga ...

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15 minutes ago, Sporkypiggy said:

If 100 malls and 1000 restaurants die, is there a need to build more empty malls?

If people are loosing their jobs, the government will need to spend more (tax payer’s money) to provide more relief packages.

Is he implying that these Foreigners are paying majority of the taxes in Singapore, which the government can utilise for the relief packages to Singaporean? 
 
it is ulmost important to develop local talent to develop Singapore Economy. We should have learned enough from foreign talents in the past. And our education should have prepared the new graduates to ride the wave.

To say that we lack of local talent to ride the wave is to slap ourselves to say that we have not learned a single thing for the past 50 odd years. And our education is a total flop?

“In the last 10 years, we imported too fast and too many. The tap was turned on. The key is who do you bring in and how do you manage and assimilate them. A persistent complaint is that our young fresh graduate has to compete with a fresh IT professional from India. What value can this new Indian guy bring to Singapore? If he is a senior person, okay, that is fine because he is bringing his experience and knowledge and contacts. 

When I brought in scientists, they were all top guys who could help our guppies. But a fresh foreign guy is just going to depress the Singaporean wages. We should bring in foreign talent at the higher level and always to supplement, not to replace.”

Philip Yeo

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1 hour ago, Sosaria said:

This is the weirdest decision to make, go for 2nd jab AND swab test on the same day?? Why would he do that?

Having a fever after the 2nd jab is quite a commonly reported side effect.

If you tell them you just did a swab test, they won't vaccinate you. 

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1 hour ago, Heartlander said:

I thought already well known now that getting vaccinated is not able to prevent being infected, but just not getting the severe symptoms thus saving the life potentially? 

So what did "95%" effectiveness mean during clinical trial

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57 minutes ago, yishunite said:

So what did "95%" effectiveness mean during clinical trial

So what did 100% effectiveness mean?

This has been laid out very clearly in the article below. I wonder why the doctors among us never clarify this critical term from beginning. So much misunderstanding could have been avoided:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00075-X/fulltext

 

What does 95% COVID-19 vaccine efficacy really mean?

Piero Olliaro

 Published:February 17, 2021DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S1473-3099(21)00075-X

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It is imperative to dispel any ambiguity about how vaccine efficacy shown in trials translates into protecting individuals and populations. The mRNA-based Pfizer1, 2 and Moderna3 vaccines were shown to have 94–95% efficacy in preventing symptomatic COVID-19, calculated as 100 × (1 minus the attack rate with vaccine divided by the attack rate with placebo). It means that in a population such as the one enrolled in the trials, with a cumulated COVID-19 attack rate over a period of 3 months of about 1% without a vaccine, we would expect roughly 0·05% of vaccinated people would get diseased. It does not mean that 95% of people are protected from disease with the vaccine—a general misconception of vaccine protection also found in a Lancet Infectious Diseases Editoria

 

 

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Still keep seeing this kind of selfish behaviour, very pek chek.

 

Case 63600 is a 59 year-old male Singaporean who works as a music teacher at Yamaha Music School. He developed a fever on 16 May but did not seek medical treatment until 21 May when he went to a GP clinic, and was tested for COVID-19. His antigen rapid test (ART) came back positive on the same day, and he was immediately isolated. A polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test administered on the same day came back positive for COVID-19 infection. His serology test result is negative.

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13 minutes ago, Heartlander said:

So what did 100% effectiveness mean?

This has been laid out very clearly in the article below. I wonder why the doctors among us never clarify this critical term from beginning. So much misunderstanding could have been avoided:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00075-X/fulltext

 

What does 95% COVID-19 vaccine efficacy really mean?

Piero Olliaro

 Published:February 17, 2021DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S1473-3099(21)00075-X

PlumX Metrics

 

It is imperative to dispel any ambiguity about how vaccine efficacy shown in trials translates into protecting individuals and populations. The mRNA-based Pfizer1, 2 and Moderna3 vaccines were shown to have 94–95% efficacy in preventing symptomatic COVID-19, calculated as 100 × (1 minus the attack rate with vaccine divided by the attack rate with placebo). It means that in a population such as the one enrolled in the trials, with a cumulated COVID-19 attack rate over a period of 3 months of about 1% without a vaccine, we would expect roughly 0·05% of vaccinated people would get diseased. It does not mean that 95% of people are protected from disease with the vaccine—a general misconception of vaccine protection also found in a Lancet Infectious Diseases Editoria

 

 

Why you never add this part:

"Simple mathematics helps. If we vaccinated a population of 100 000 and protected 95% of them, that would leave 5000 individuals diseased over 3 months, which is almost the current overall COVID-19 case rate in the UK. Rather, a 95% vaccine efficacy means that instead of 1000 COVID-19 cases in a population of 100 000 without vaccine (from the placebo arm of the abovementioned trials, approximately 1% would be ill with COVID-19 and 99% would not) we would expect 50 cases (99·95% of the population is disease-free, at least for 3 months)."

IOW 95% suppose to mean 1 in 20 vaccinated individuals would get the disease compared to 20 of 20 unvaccinated when all 20 of each are exposed equally... tio boh?

Why our vaccinated and unvaccinated getting infected at nearly same ratio as found in the overall population

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