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https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-vaccination-students-school-moe-14919972

"SINGAPORE: More than 400,000 students aged 12 and above will be invited to register for the COVID-19 vaccine from Jun 1, announced Minister of Education Chan Chun Sing on Monday (May 31). 

This comes after the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was approved by the Health Sciences Authority for those aged 12 to 15 earlier this month."

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Supersonic
1 hour ago, bsswan said:

"The World Health Organisation's top vaccines expert says vaccinating children against the coronavirus is not a priority, given the extremely limited global supply of doses.

Dr Kate O'Brien said children should not be a focus of COVID-19 vaccination programs even as increasing numbers of rich countries authorise their coronavirus shots for teenagers and children.

She said: "Children are at a very, very low risk of actually getting COVID disease."

Dr O'Brien, a paediatrician and director of the WHO's vaccines department, added that the rationale for immunising children was to stop transmission rather than to protect them from getting sick or dying."

 

Reporting via SkyNewsUK

Yes but Kate O Brien doesn't realise that getting our kids back into schools after the politically correct expedient of "protecting" by vaccination is a life or death matter in sg. 

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Hypersonic
1 hour ago, bsswan said:

I booked my boy's first shot on May 18th........ so can have time to reflect.

Not rushing yet for similar reason.

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13 hours ago, Tianmo said:

Valid point.  

I wasn't defending MOH or MOE or whichever ministry.  They do make mistakes,  and I expect them to get it fix.  But to jump at every single thing and expect them to be GOD?  

We sit behind the computer and type comments when we are free, and then disappear when we get busy,  easy to say.  They are fighting the war (every one of those staffs,  full time or part time),  so that we can all get back to 'normal' life asap. 

没有功劳, 也有苦劳, there is no need to throw table and chairs at them.  

However,  each one of us have to do our part, as long as we do our part, it will at least make everything easier and run smoother.  [laugh][laugh][laugh]

 

 

There are countries where citizens can't even smell the hope of vaccination any time soon. In SG we have entitled citizens kpkb at every little mistakes blaming the very folks who are working so hard to get everyone vaccinated. Disgusting behavior to put it mildly. 

As for this "mistaken" jab fiasco, I see three mistakes.

Mistake 1: A well educated kid who didn't bother to double check registration obviously. Its his own birthday for god's sake.

Mistake 2: The father assuming he is alive and not blind, also didn't bother to double check.

Mistake 3: The mother assuming she is alive and not blind, also didn't bother to double check.

But hey let's all blame the system, the government, the healthcare staff for our own stupidity and mistakes and sue them seek compensation. Because that's how our first world entitlement works.

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https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/covid-19-private-clinics-be-chosen-provide-sinovac-vaccine-fees-selected-vaccine-takers-be-reimbursed

In recent days, a message by another doctor has been circulating on WhatsApp, where he talks about the use of mRNA vaccines, saying that they are ineffective in tackling the B1617 coronavirus variant that was first detected in India. 

The message originated from Dr Gabriel Oon Chong Jin, a retired oncologist who is a pioneer in liver cancer research here. 

Dr Oon, 82, played a key role in Singapore’s hepatitis B vaccination programme that began in the late 1970s. Hepatitis B is a liver infection caused by a virus. 

When contacted by TODAY on Friday, Dr Oon, who last practised at Mount Elizabeth Medical Centre, confirmed that the content of the message was from him.

In the message, he wrote that mutations in the spike protein of the coronavirus causing Covid-19 has altered its antigenicity — or its ability to bind to cell walls.

The spike protein is the part of the virus that it uses to penetrate human cells so that it can bind with the cells more effectively and cause infection.

When the antigenicity changes, vaccines that use the new mRNA technology such as Pfizer-BioNTech cannot recognise the mutant variant such as the B1617 one. 

Only a vaccine such as Sinovac that has an inactivated virus “with all its seven antigens” can still produce an immune response even when one antigen of the active invading virus is affected by mutation, Dr Oon wrote. 

He added that the B1617 variant had successfully infected vaccinated frontliners and airport staff members, as well as school children in Singapore.

“Pfizer is useless now and obsolete in the presence of mutations on (the) spike gene,” the message read.

He also said in the message that “China vaccines” can overcome the B1617 variant and that he had written in to the authorities to consider using Sinovac.

The Sinovac vaccine may be suitable for children, and even babies, but at a lowered dosage, he added.

When asked by TODAY to comment more about his concerns, Dr Oon stressed again that mRNA vaccines are “useless” against the B1617 mutant and that the variant should be seen as a “new infection”. 

“I would say it is a time of emergency, a time to change and use another vaccine such as Sinovac, which we already have in stock,” he said, referring to the shipment of the vaccine Singapore received in February and pending approval for use here. 

Dr Oon continued: “If we keep vaccinating people with mRNA vaccines like Pfizer, we are endangering the lives of so many people around us who will still get infected, not to mention the person who is vaccinated."

It is a doctor's duty to call immediately for a change of treatment if it is not working for a patient who has a life-threatening condition, he said by way of example.

Dr Oon’s circulated message on WhatsApp mentioned that he had reached out to various Cabinet ministers, including Health Minister Ong Ye Kung, on the mRNA vaccines and Sinovac. 

Dr Oon confirmed that he had done this, at around the time news broke of the B1617 variant. 

He declined to give more details on the recommendations he proposed to the Government as mentioned in the message.

TODAY understands that MOH is aware of Dr Oon’s circulated message since last month and had addressed some of his concerns in the same statement last month issued regarding the open letter by the doctors to parents. 

That statement did not address Dr Oon’s concerns on how effective mRNA vaccines are on mutated variants. 

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Hypersonic
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Older doesn't mean better. Inactivated vaccine didn't have particularly good results in their earlier trials against Covid-19 and that was prior to B117/B16172.

So while theoretically correct that an inactivated virus vaccine has all the antigens and able to provide a more comprehensive picture of the virus to the body hence eliciting a more robust immune response.
There is just less evidence that it is superior to the mrna based vaccines. 

The chinese vaccine manufacturers, please feel free to provide more data/studies... Even better, safety data for children. 
 

 

 

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Supersonic
23 hours ago, BabyBlade said:

It's even on Malaysia's news. 

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someone ask a very good question.

what will his next dosage be ? pfizer or moderna ?

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7 hours ago, Lala81 said:

Older doesn't mean better. Inactivated vaccine didn't have particularly good results in their earlier trials against Covid-19 and that was prior to B117/B16172.

So while theoretically correct that an inactivated virus vaccine has all the antigens and able to provide a more comprehensive picture of the virus to the body hence eliciting a more robust immune response.
There is just less evidence that it is superior to the mrna based vaccines. 

The chinese vaccine manufacturers, please feel free to provide more data/studies... Even better, safety data for children. 
 

 

 

Sinopharm looks promising. But like you said, no data on children yet.

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Hypersonic
43 minutes ago, Ender said:

Sinopharm looks promising. But like you said, no data on children yet.

Heard that Sinovac is being injected into Chinese children. Not sure if it's part of trial or 乱乱来 one. Lol. 

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10 minutes ago, Lala81 said:

Heard that Sinovac is being injected into Chinese children. Not sure if it's part of trial or 乱乱来 one. Lol. 

China approves Covid-19 vaccine for children as young as three

  • Other countries have authorised vaccinations for under-18s but nowhere else has given the green light for their use on such a young age group
  • The vaccine maker Sinovac tells state broadcaster CCTV that it has been carrying out trials on minors and found no differences with adults

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3136177/china-approves-covid-19-vaccine-children-young-three

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6 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

China approves Covid-19 vaccine for children as young as three

  • Other countries have authorised vaccinations for under-18s but nowhere else has given the green light for their use on such a young age group
  • The vaccine maker Sinovac tells state broadcaster CCTV that it has been carrying out trials on minors and found no differences with adults

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3136177/china-approves-covid-19-vaccine-children-young-three

It's OK... MIC one no need to show evidence to the world. My father thinks it's TCM. Not real vaccine lol. 

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3 hours ago, Kb27 said:

someone ask a very good question.

what will his next dosage be ? pfizer or moderna ?

Pfizer BioNTech - den can be the apex candidate for mixed vaccine trial

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13 minutes ago, Karoon said:

Ermm.... shouldnt the experts have all the answers and absolute certainty wrt various scenarios before injecting kids? 

like in the parable of the blind men touching an elephant?

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18 minutes ago, Ahwhye said:

like in the parable of the blind men touching an elephant?

Quite, but this is more like the blind men are touching several different animals.

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Hypersonic
1 hour ago, Karoon said:

Ermm.... shouldnt the experts have all the answers and absolute certainty wrt various scenarios before injecting kids? 

During pandemic crisis, no luxury of a 10 years study with certainty. Every things are pushed for emergency approval within a year. But for children, i feel we should spend a little more time to be diligent and sure. Since they are not the vulnerable group,yet (pending more reports on the B1617 impact on children),The rest of their long life depends on the these experts and the eagerness of the politician to get back to norm.

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