COVID-19: Vaccinating your kids

[bsswan]

54 minutes ago, Somewhat1975 said:

 

herd immunity is only possible if you can prevent infection and thus transmission. This is the basic principle of herd immunity. Under the condition where vaccines can only prevent serious illness and without herd immunity, there is no protection for unvaccinated persons. 

 

I've taken the everyday meaning of Herd Immunity in the last 12-18months as the level in which we can get back to normal where "immunity" doesn't mean Zero-Case but means we reach or head towards an acceptable/comparable mortality rate around 1% bearing in mind flu is 0.35-0.95%.

Pure, 100%, immunity, is impossible and has never been part of conversation.

[Ray7456]

Approval given for children. Here we are waiting for non mRNA before end of the year. Is this something that we can expedite or its beyond our control since we need to be fed with data.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/china-sinovac-covid-19-vaccine-children-3-year-old-17-14971654

Edited June 8, 2021 by Ray7456

[inlinesix]

3 minutes ago, Ray7456 said:

Approval given for children. Here we are waiting for non mRNA before end of the year. Is this something that we can expedite or its beyond our control since we need to be fed with data.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/china-sinovac-covid-19-vaccine-children-3-year-old-17-14971654

 

[Windwaver]

Interesting article

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vaccine-researcher-admits-big-mistake-says-spike-protein-is-dangerous-toxin

Vaccine researcher admits ‘big mistake,’ says spike protein is dangerous ‘toxin’

‘Terrifying’ new research finds vaccine spike protein unexpectedly in bloodstream. The protein is linked to blood clots, heart and brain damage, and potential risks to nursing babies and fertility.

Editor’s Note: This article has been amended to note that 11 of 13 vaccinated subjects in a recent Ogata study had detectable protein from SARS coronavirus in their bloodstream including three people who had measurable spike protein. Whereas the article referenced a statement from Professor Bridle's group stating that spike protein was present for 29 days in one person, the study in question states that spike protein was found in the person on Day 29,  one day after a second vaccine injection and was undetectable two days later. 

May 31, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) — New research shows that the coronavirus spike protein from COVID-19 vaccination unexpectedly enters the bloodstream, which is a plausible explanation for thousands of reported side-effects from blood clots and heart disease to brain damage and reproductive issues, a Canadian cancer vaccine researcher said last week.

“We made a big mistake. We didn’t realize it until now,” said Byram Bridle, a viral immunologist and associate professor at University of Guelph, Ontario, in an interview with Alex Pierson last Thursday, in which he warned listeners that his message was “scary.”

 

[Mustank]

39 minutes ago, Windwaver said:

Interesting article

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vaccine-researcher-admits-big-mistake-says-spike-protein-is-dangerous-toxin

Vaccine researcher admits ‘big mistake,’ says spike protein is dangerous ‘toxin’

‘Terrifying’ new research finds vaccine spike protein unexpectedly in bloodstream. The protein is linked to blood clots, heart and brain damage, and potential risks to nursing babies and fertility.

Editor’s Note: This article has been amended to note that 11 of 13 vaccinated subjects in a recent Ogata study had detectable protein from SARS coronavirus in their bloodstream including three people who had measurable spike protein. Whereas the article referenced a statement from Professor Bridle's group stating that spike protein was present for 29 days in one person, the study in question states that spike protein was found in the person on Day 29,  one day after a second vaccine injection and was undetectable two days later. 

May 31, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) — New research shows that the coronavirus spike protein from COVID-19 vaccination unexpectedly enters the bloodstream, which is a plausible explanation for thousands of reported side-effects from blood clots and heart disease to brain damage and reproductive issues, a Canadian cancer vaccine researcher said last week.

“We made a big mistake. We didn’t realize it until now,” said Byram Bridle, a viral immunologist and associate professor at University of Guelph, Ontario, in an interview with Alex Pierson last Thursday, in which he warned listeners that his message was “scary.”

 

Like 七伤拳

每深一层，自身内脏便多受一层损害，实则是先伤己，再伤敌

[Ender]

12 years old and above, tomorrow start to register. My daughter will only be 12 in late Dec. So have at least 6 months to wait for alternate vaccine to provide more comprehensive studies on children. 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-vaccination-age-12-to-39-recovered-single-dose-14986126

[Windwaver]

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/952905

More Evidence Links COVID Vaccines to Rare Cases of Myocarditis in Youth

Swelling of the heart appears to be a very rare side effect that primarily strikes young people after vaccination for COVID-19, a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) expert reported on Thursday, detailing data on cases of myocarditis and pericarditis detected through a government safety system.

 

[Kb27]

On 6/8/2021 at 5:33 PM, Windwaver said:

Interesting article

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vaccine-researcher-admits-big-mistake-says-spike-protein-is-dangerous-toxin

Vaccine researcher admits ‘big mistake,’ says spike protein is dangerous ‘toxin’

‘Terrifying’ new research finds vaccine spike protein unexpectedly in bloodstream. The protein is linked to blood clots, heart and brain damage, and potential risks to nursing babies and fertility.

Editor’s Note: This article has been amended to note that 11 of 13 vaccinated subjects in a recent Ogata study had detectable protein from SARS coronavirus in their bloodstream including three people who had measurable spike protein. Whereas the article referenced a statement from Professor Bridle's group stating that spike protein was present for 29 days in one person, the study in question states that spike protein was found in the person on Day 29,  one day after a second vaccine injection and was undetectable two days later. 

May 31, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) — New research shows that the coronavirus spike protein from COVID-19 vaccination unexpectedly enters the bloodstream, which is a plausible explanation for thousands of reported side-effects from blood clots and heart disease to brain damage and reproductive issues, a Canadian cancer vaccine researcher said last week.

“We made a big mistake. We didn’t realize it until now,” said Byram Bridle, a viral immunologist and associate professor at University of Guelph, Ontario, in an interview with Alex Pierson last Thursday, in which he warned listeners that his message was “scary.”

 

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/byram-bridles-claim-that-covid-19-vaccines-are-toxic-fails-to-account-for-key-differences-between-the-spike-protein-produced-during-infection-and-vaccination-misrepresents-studies/

A counter claim.

[Windwaver]

2 hours ago, Kb27 said:

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/byram-bridles-claim-that-covid-19-vaccines-are-toxic-fails-to-account-for-key-differences-between-the-spike-protein-produced-during-infection-and-vaccination-misrepresents-studies/

A counter claim.

It's interesting to see R&D level of facts between experts but how come none of it came from Singapore? 

We produced so many doctors over decades 

 

[Ender]

MOH acknowledged the risk, but in their opinionm the benefit outweigh the risk of being infected with Covid19.

EXPERT COMMITTEE ON COVID-19 VACCINATION'S ASSESSMENT ON MYOCARDITIS AND PERICARDITIS FOLLOWING MRNA COVID-19 VACCINATION

https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/expert-committee-on-covid-19-vaccination's-assessment-on-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-following-mrna-covid-19-vaccination

Edited June 11, 2021 by Ender

[Ender]

This report is abit worrying for me. Singapore opened the vaccination for students on 1st June,  how come by 11thJune already have  some students had the 2nd dose? Less than 14 days between doses? 

So given there already students who had the 2nd dose by 11th June, there can't many students yet on their 2nd dose and we  already have 4 cases. I think this may be alot higher than USA rate of 1.6 incidents per 100,000 doses.  Youngs Asian more susceptible?

Seems this there's some form of an acknowledgement  by MOH there's link to the vaccination, those 4 cases can apply for the Vaccination Injury Financial Assistance PRogramme?

Have to monitor if this is trending.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/4-young-men-in-singapore-had-heart-inflammation-after-covid-19-jabs-all-have-recovered

 

4 young men in Singapore had heart inflammation after Covid-19 jabs, all have recovered

SINGAPORE - Four young men in Singapore had heart inflammation after receiving their second dose of Covid-19 vaccine.

The men - aged 18 to 30 - have all recovered from myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart), said the country's expert committee on the Covid-19 vaccination in a statement on Friday night (June 11). 

Most of the cases were reported to have occurred within a few days after the second jab.

This is out of a total of six such cases reported by the Health Sciences Authority (HSA). However, the benefits of getting a Covid-19 jab outweigh the risks, said the expert committee.

As a precaution, the expert panel said vaccinated people, especially adolescents and younger men, should avoid strenuous physical activity for one week after their second dose.

During this period, they should seek medical attention if they develop chest pain, shortness of breath or abnormal heartbeats, it said.

"Most cases are mild, recover without the need for significant intervention and do not suffer any long-term effects, although very rarely, severe cases may result in damage to the heart muscles," said the expert committee.

"Our assessment is that the benefits of receiving the mRNA Covid-19 vaccines - the reduction in Covid-19 infections and severe complications even if infected - continue to outweigh the risks of vaccination."

The four cases reported by the HSA are aged between 18 and 30, and had their symptoms a few days after receiving the second dose of an mRNA-based vaccine.

Both Covid-19 vaccines in Singapore - by Pfizer-BioNtech and Moderna - use such technology.

All four men have recovered or have been discharged from hospital.

The expert committee added that the four cases here are at "the upper end of the expected range of this age group, based on background incidence rates".

"While further studies and investigations are ongoing, the currently available data suggests that there may be a very small risk of myocarditis and pericarditis after the second dose of an mRNA vaccine, particularly in young men," it said.

The expert committee also said that heart inflammation following the second dose of the vaccine has been observed in Israel and the United States in men below 25.

The risk is estimated to be at 1.6 cases per 100,000 doses in the US.

It added that there has been no increased risk associated with the first dose of the vaccine, and that the condition is generally more common in men than women.

In May, it was reported that 20 cases of anaphylaxis - a severe life-threatening allergic reaction - had happened in Singapore in relation to the Covid-19 vaccine.

In a separate update, the HSA said cases of myocarditis and pericarditis have been reported with Covid-19 vaccines both overseas and locally.

Myocarditis and pericarditis have many causes and most are due to viral infections and immunological reactions, it said, and in most cases, the inflammation is mild.

The authority has received six reports of myocarditis and pericarditis, of which four were in men younger than 30 years.

"HSA will continue to monitor this potential safety issue closely," it added.

 

[Tkseah]

Pressure lai liao...

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-vaccination-for-students-moe-not-responded-to-invites-15011120

[Ender]

FYI,

There will be a emergency meeting  on 18th June by CDC  and ACIP regarding the heart inflammation seen on under 30 after mRNA vaccination. Hope to have more light shed on this. 

https://consumer.healthday.com/cdc-calls-emergency-meeting-on-heart-inflammation-link-to-covid-vaccines-2653331026.html

[Lala81]

On 6/12/2021 at 1:27 AM, Ender said:

This report is abit worrying for me. Singapore opened the vaccination for students on 1st June,  how come by 11thJune already have  some students had the 2nd dose? Less than 14 days between doses? 

So given there already students who had the 2nd dose by 11th June, there can't many students yet on their 2nd dose and we  already have 4 cases. I think this may be alot higher than USA rate of 1.6 incidents per 100,000 doses.  Youngs Asian more susceptible?

Seems this there's some form of an acknowledgement  by MOH there's link to the vaccination, those 4 cases can apply for the Vaccination Injury Financial Assistance PRogramme?

Have to monitor if this is trending.

NSF?

Lots of NSF, healthcare related tertiary students have already received their vaccinations earlier in 2021.

[Ender]

14 minutes ago, Lala81 said:

NSF?

Lots of NSF, healthcare related tertiary students have already received their vaccinations earlier in 2021.

Ya, don't know why in my mind the 4 are students.. Apparently they are young adults (under 30) in high risk vocations.

[Kb27]

seems like vaccine affects younger people more,

AZ for blood clot, mRNA for heart inflammation.

[13177]

3 hours ago, Tkseah said:

Pressure lai liao...

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-vaccination-for-students-moe-not-responded-to-invites-15011120

Looks like students vaccination is sort of “compulsory”? 😅

So will the authorities also contacting soon for those adults who have not responded to vaccination invitation?

Edited June 14, 2021 by 13177

[Kb27]

Pediatric cardiologists explain myocarditis and why your teen should still get a Covid-19 vaccine

(CNN)The news about a potential link between the Covid-19 vaccine and a cardiac ailment in young people may be striking fear in the hearts of some parents.

But pediatric cardiologists have a message for these parents: Covid-19 should scare you more -- a whole lot more -- than the vaccine.

And these doctors should know. They've treated young patients who've contracted this heart ailment after vaccination -- it's called myocarditis, or inflammation of the heart muscle -- and they've also treated young patients who've had Covid-19.

There simply is no comparison between the two, they say.

Myocarditis sounds scary, but there are mild versions of it. In almost all cases among vaccinated young people (they were ages 16 to 24), the symptoms have gone away quickly. Covid-19, on the other hand, can be a long illness, or it can kill a young person -- it has already killed thousands of them.

CNN spoke with pediatric cardiologists Dr. Kevin Hall at the Yale School of Medicine and Dr. Stuart Berger at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, who is also chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics section on cardiology and cardiac surgery, about the cases of myocarditis that have been spotted among young people after vaccination with the Moderna or Pfizer Covid-19 vaccines.

Both doctors, as well as the American Heart Association and American Academy of Pediatrics, recommend the Covid-19 vaccine for young people.

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