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Long time since I last start an informative thread. As what @BanCoe has said about me, I eat, sleep, shit also thing about cars and through surfing the web, I have came across some brands which I have never heard of...

Hispano-Suiza (founded on June 14, 1904)

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Hispano-Suiza (Spanish for 'Spanish-Swiss') is a Spanish automotive–engineering company. Hispano-Suiza was founded in 1904 as an automobile manufacturer which eventually had several factories in Spain and France producing luxury cars, aircraft engines, trucks and weapons . In 1923, its French luxury car arm became a semi-autonomous partnership with the Spanish parent company. In 1946, the Spanish parent company sold all of its Spanish automotive assets to Enasa, a Spanish state-owned vehicle manufacturer while the French arm continued as an independent aviation engine and components manufacturer under the Hispano-Suiza name. In 1968, the French arm was taken over by the aerospace company Snecma, now part of the French Safran Group, and the Spanish Peralada Group (owned by the Suqué Mateu family).

These were some of the cars produced by them, which look luxurious, sporty or even futuristic during their time (1920s - 1930s).

1922 Hispano-Suiza H6 Coupe-Chauffeur Landaulet

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1922 Hispano-Suiza H6B Labourdette Skiff

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1923 Hispano-Suiza H6B Cabriolet DeVille

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1924 Hispano-Suiza H6B Coupe de Ville por Saoutchik

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1924 Hispano-Suiza H6С Type Sports

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1924 Hispano-Suiza H6C Tulipwood Torpedo

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1925 Hispano-Suiza H6B Transformable Cabriolet

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1938 Hispano-Suiza H6C Dubonnet Xenia por Saoutchik

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17 minutes ago, Carbon82 said:

Long time since I last start an informative thread. As what @BanCoe has said about me, I eat, sleep, shit also thing about cars and through surfing the web, I have came across some brands which I have never heard of...

Hispano-Suiza (founded on June 14, 1904)

hispano-suiza_logo1.jpg

Hispano-Suiza (Spanish for 'Spanish-Swiss') is a Spanish automotive–engineering company. Hispano-Suiza was founded in 1904 as an automobile manufacturer which eventually had several factories in Spain and France producing luxury cars, aircraft engines, trucks and weapons . In 1923, its French luxury car arm became a semi-autonomous partnership with the Spanish parent company. In 1946, the Spanish parent company sold all of its Spanish automotive assets to Enasa, a Spanish state-owned vehicle manufacturer while the French arm continued as an independent aviation engine and components manufacturer under the Hispano-Suiza name. In 1968, the French arm was taken over by the aerospace company Snecma, now part of the French Safran Group, and the Spanish Peralada Group (owned by the Suqué Mateu family).

The only Hispano I know 🤣 #busfan

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2 distinctive models from the firm, 106 years apart...

1913 Hispano-Suiza T-15 Alfonso XIII LWB

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2019 Hispano-Suiza Carmen Concept

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Very informative. Dear @Carbon82, far be it from me to assign you "homework", but if it's not too much trouble, could you please feature DKW? My German doctor friend keeps talking about how his family used to own one and I want to know more. 😁

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8 hours ago, Carbon82 said:

2 distinctive models from the firm, 106 years apart...

1913 Hispano-Suiza T-15 Alfonso XIII LWB

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2019 Hispano-Suiza Carmen Concept

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They shld use analogue meter for the new concept car as this would show it's classic heritage.

While i know big lcd meter is the trend now but i absolutely hate them n will always prefer a well lit optitron meter, preferably red numbers with dark background like in older mazda or conti rides.

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13 hours ago, SiLangKia said:

The only Hispano I know 🤣 #busfan

Yah this Hispano when breakdown very Suza

:D

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13 hours ago, SiLangKia said:

The only Hispano I know 🤣 #busfan

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13 hours ago, Carbon82 said:

 

When they design this car they were thinking of the stage coach.

Where the poor driver when raining got wet, when snowing got frozen, when hot sun got burn

because only the high class people can sit inside away from the sun and rain.

:D

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When they designed bicycles they were thinking of riding horses.

That's why the bicycle seat is called a saddle

and because its the same shape cuts your ass like a razor blade.

:D

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A bike is not a horse so make the seat more comfy lah

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When Honda were thinking about replacing the side mirrors with a camera

they thought let's put the screen where the left mirror would be but put it inside.

This means the poor driver has to turn his head to the left door.

Why?

The benefit of a camera is you can put the screen anywhere.

Not need to put it next to the left door lah.

Put it in front of the driver so he can look ahead at the road

and just need to glance down to check if its clear to change lane.

:D

The mistakes car engineers made 100 years ago

they are still making it now.

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Same with the rear view mirror.

The screen can be lower down above the dash.

When need to look up to check behind?

:D

Last time when real mirror no choice have to put

above windscreen because light travels in straight lines.

Cameras and screens can put anywhere.

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13 hours ago, Turboflat4 said:

Very informative. Dear @Carbon82, far be it from me to assign you "homework", but if it's not too much trouble, could you please feature DKW? My German doctor friend keeps talking about how his family used to own one and I want to know more. 😁

Thank you for giving me this weekend assignment. :D

While I am doing my research for the "paper" (well, something to be vetted by a Doc must be have some standard right?), does this DKW logo rings a bell? 

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For the answer, please pop over to the other post which I have wrote something about it, 3.5 years ago. 

 

I will be back with more about DKW soon. BTW, did your German doctor friend mentioned which model his family used to own? DKW has around 20 models or more between late 1920s to late 1960s, iirc. 

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CSJ's 2nd venture

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Building the Olcit 😁

The Olcit is a Romanian Car that was a collaboration with Citroen which built cars under Nicolae Ceausescu's Communist regime.

One of its cars is the Olcit Club (1981).

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It's a car made on the platform of the Peugeot 104 and subsequently sold in Western Europe as the Citroen Axel (but you know Communist quality 🌚)

It was sold as a Daewoo in 1994 and thereafter for a few years as well🤣

The Olcit factory today has become the factory of Ford Romania which builds the ford ecoboost 1.0L engine which some scheming salesman tried to pull a fast one by saying that Craiova is in Germany as I tested the ford focus when I was car shopping back in 2017. 

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On 7/9/2021 at 8:18 PM, Carbon82 said:

Thank you for giving me this weekend assignment. :D

While I am doing my research for the "paper" (well, something to be vetted by a Doc must be have some standard right?), does this DKW logo rings a bell? 

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For the answer, please pop over to the other post which I have wrote something about it, 3.5 years ago. 

 

I will be back with more about DKW soon. BTW, did your German doctor friend mentioned which model his family used to own? DKW has around 20 models or more between late 1920s to late 1960s, iirc. 

Sorry I missed this earlier. He had a 1000s as his first family car in the 60s.

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DKW started off as a company producing steam fitting in 1916. The founder, Jorgen Skafte Rasmussen, a Danish engineer, created a two-stroke engine in 1919, called Des Knaben Wunsch – "the boy's wish" after a failed attempt to produce a steam-driven car. He put a slightly modified version of this engine into a motorcycle and called it Das Kleine Wunder – "the little wonder", under the DKW brand (initial from its name). DKW become the world's largest motorcycle manufacturer in the late 1920s. DKW started producing car only from 1928, which always used a two-stroke engines, to reflect the company's position as the world's largest producer of motorcycles.

In September 1924, DKW bought Slaby-Beringer, saving them from German's hyperinflatione conomic crisis. In 1932, DKW merged with Audi, Horch and Wanderer to form Auto Union. After World War II, DKW moved to West Germany. Auto Union came under Daimler-Benz ownership in 1957 and was purchased by the Volkswagen Group in 1964. The last German-built DKW car was the F102, which ceased production in 1966. Its successor, the four-stroke F103, was marketed under the Audi brand, another Auto Union marque.

Their first car was a small and rather crude Typ P, which emerged on 7 May 1928 and the model continued to be built at the company's Spandau (Berlin) plant, first as a roadster and later as a stylish if basic sports car, until 1931.

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F1 model were born, after DKW become the majority owner in Audi Werke AG.

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In 1939, DKW made a prototype with the first three-cylinder engine, with a displacement of 900 cc and producing 30 hp (22 kW). With a streamlined body, the car could run at 115 km/h (71 mph). It was put into production after World War II, which was named 3=6 (aka F91 in some market).

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@Turboflat4, the 1000s is technically a product of Auto Union, instead of DKW. It is a luxury compact front-wheel drive automobile manufactured by Auto Union GmbH between 1958 and 1965. It was the first (and in many markets the last) model branded as an Auto Union by the manufacturer since the 1930s, and replaced the paradoxically named DKW 3=6. The two cars were broadly similar, but the new car had its two-stroke engine enlarged to 981 cc yielding a 10% - 37% power increase.

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Have to say this 1000s is really a looker... [thumbsup]  [thumbsup] 

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10 hours ago, Carbon82 said:

DKW started off as a company producing steam fitting in 1916. The founder, Jorgen Skafte Rasmussen, a Danish engineer, created a two-stroke engine in 1919, called Des Knaben Wunsch – "the boy's wish" after a failed attempt to produce a steam-driven car. He put a slightly modified version of this engine into a motorcycle and called it Das Kleine Wunder – "the little wonder", under the DKW brand (initial from its name). DKW become the world's largest motorcycle manufacturer in the late 1920s. DKW started producing car only from 1928, which always used a two-stroke engines, to reflect the company's position as the world's largest producer of motorcycles.

In September 1924, DKW bought Slaby-Beringer, saving them from German's hyperinflatione conomic crisis. In 1932, DKW merged with Audi, Horch and Wanderer to form Auto Union. After World War II, DKW moved to West Germany. Auto Union came under Daimler-Benz ownership in 1957 and was purchased by the Volkswagen Group in 1964. The last German-built DKW car was the F102, which ceased production in 1966. Its successor, the four-stroke F103, was marketed under the Audi brand, another Auto Union marque.

Their first car was a small and rather crude Typ P, which emerged on 7 May 1928 and the model continued to be built at the company's Spandau (Berlin) plant, first as a roadster and later as a stylish if basic sports car, until 1931.

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F1 model were born, after DKW become the majority owner in Audi Werke AG.

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In 1939, DKW made a prototype with the first three-cylinder engine, with a displacement of 900 cc and producing 30 hp (22 kW). With a streamlined body, the car could run at 115 km/h (71 mph). It was put into production after World War II, which was named 3=6 (aka F91 in some market).

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@Turboflat4, the 1000s is technically a product of Auto Union, instead of DKW. It is a luxury compact front-wheel drive automobile manufactured by Auto Union GmbH between 1958 and 1965. It was the first (and in many markets the last) model branded as an Auto Union by the manufacturer since the 1930s, and replaced the paradoxically named DKW 3=6. The two cars were broadly similar, but the new car had its two-stroke engine enlarged to 981 cc yielding a 10% - 37% power increase.

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Have to say this 1000s is really a looker... [thumbsup]  [thumbsup] 

Truly amazing! 

I will take the time to read through every detail. I appreciate this. 🙏

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On 7/14/2021 at 7:29 AM, Turboflat4 said:

Truly amazing! 

I will take the time to read through every detail. I appreciate this. 🙏

I just confirmed that 1000s was also available in 4 door variant but not many were produced.

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Another fun fact: The 1st MPV from Audi made it appearance >55 years before the 1st generation Q7 (2005)... 

DKW Schnellaster-800 (1949 - 1962)

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If I were to ask you to name one of the world oldest automobile company, I am very sure 99.999% of the people will give me one of the following:

  • Mercedes-Benz (1883)
  • Skoda (1895)
  • Land Rover (1896)
  • Renault (1899)
  • Fiat (1899)

But there is one more, and the company was found more than 30 years earlier than Mercedes-Benz...

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Tatra is a Czech vehicle manufacturer in Kopřivnice, owned by the Tatra Trucks company, and the third oldest auromobile company in the world producing cars with an unbroken history. It was founded in 1850 as Ignatz Schustala & Comp., and renamed Nesselsdorfer Wagenbau-Fabriksgesellschaft (Geman) in 1890 when it became a wagon and carriage manufacturer. In 1897, Tatra produced the first motor car in central Europe, the Präsident automobile. In 1918, it changed its name to Kopřivnická vozovka a.s., and in 1919 changed from the Nesselsdorfer marque to the Tatra badge, named after the nearby Tatra Mountains on the Czechoslovak-Polish border (now on the Polish-Slovak border).

Production of passenger cars ceased in 1999, but the company still produces a range of primarily all-wheel-drive trucks, from 4×4 to 18×18. The brand is also known as a result of Czech truck racer Karel Loprais, as he won the off-road race Dakar Rally six times with a Tatra 815 between 1988 to 2001.

Tatra Präsident (1897)

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Tatra Rennzweier Race car (1900)

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Tatra 70 (1931)

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Tatra V570 (1933) For those that find the shape very familiar, the original VW Beetle design was heavily influenced by this V570.

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Tatra T77 / T77A (1935)

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Tatra T600 (1948)

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Tatra T603 (1956)

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Tatra T613 (1973)

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MTX Tatra V8 (1993)

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Tatra T700 (1996)

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