kobayashiGT Internal Moderator August 26, 2021 Share August 26, 2021 The combustion engine is living on borrowed time. https://www.motor1.com/photo/5822112/2022-mercedes-maybach-s680/ A recent (and rather shocking) proposal made by the European Commission calls for the end of new ICE car sales as early as 2035. That has to be voted by the 27 members of the European Union in order for the ban to come into effect, but in the meantime, automakers will likely be forced to shave off their gasoline and diesel offerings. Why? Euro 7 regulations are inbound. Expected to come into force in 2025, the more stringent CO2 emissions will put small cars powered by internal combustion engines in jeopardy. The reason being is that it will be tricky for automakers to still make a profit after tweaking the gasoline and diesel engines to make them comply with regulations. The same holds true for high-performance cars with their typically gas-guzzling engines. For these reasons, Mercedes is thinking ahead and it's planning to eliminate many engine variants. In an interview with Autocar, the three-pointed star's Chief operating officer Markus Schäfe admitted Mercedes will basically halve its engine variants later this decade: "[We] will reduce the number of engine variants, going through Euro 7, by about 50 percent." With the next-gen AMG C63 switching from a V8 to an electrified version of the AMG A45's four-cylinder engine, the transformation is about to start. How will Euro 7 change engines? According to proposals made by the European Commission's Consortium for Ultra Low Vehicle Emissions (Clove), cars could be fitted with a multi-stage "supercatalyst." The same British publication looked at the documents and found out gasoline-fueled cars could get a heated electric catalyst, dual three-way catalysts, a particulate filter, and an ammonia slip catalyst. Not only that, but Euro 7-compliant cars might feature a diagnostics system built into the car's computers to analyze the engine at all times and make sure it meets emissions for 150,000 miles (241,400 kilometers). It all sounds quite expensive to implement, which is why we'll be hearing from other automakers about their plans to simplify the engine portfolio. It would seem the Euro 7 will be another nail in the internal combustion engine's coffin, effectively forcing automakers to accelerate the switch to EVs. Several brands have already announced plans to transition to an all-electric lineup by the end of the decade, including Jaguar (2025), Opel (2028), Ford of Europe (2030), Volvo (2030), Bentley (2030), and others. ↡ Advertisement 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOBIEMKZ Turbocharged August 26, 2021 Share August 26, 2021 35 minutes ago, kobayashiGT said: The combustion engine is living on borrowed time. https://www.motor1.com/photo/5822112/2022-mercedes-maybach-s680/ A recent (and rather shocking) proposal made by the European Commission calls for the end of new ICE car sales as early as 2035. That has to be voted by the 27 members of the European Union in order for the ban to come into effect, but in the meantime, automakers will likely be forced to shave off their gasoline and diesel offerings. Why? Euro 7 regulations are inbound. Expected to come into force in 2025, the more stringent CO2 emissions will put small cars powered by internal combustion engines in jeopardy. The reason being is that it will be tricky for automakers to still make a profit after tweaking the gasoline and diesel engines to make them comply with regulations. The same holds true for high-performance cars with their typically gas-guzzling engines. For these reasons, Mercedes is thinking ahead and it's planning to eliminate many engine variants. In an interview with Autocar, the three-pointed star's Chief operating officer Markus Schäfe admitted Mercedes will basically halve its engine variants later this decade: "[We] will reduce the number of engine variants, going through Euro 7, by about 50 percent." With the next-gen AMG C63 switching from a V8 to an electrified version of the AMG A45's four-cylinder engine, the transformation is about to start. How will Euro 7 change engines? According to proposals made by the European Commission's Consortium for Ultra Low Vehicle Emissions (Clove), cars could be fitted with a multi-stage "supercatalyst." The same British publication looked at the documents and found out gasoline-fueled cars could get a heated electric catalyst, dual three-way catalysts, a particulate filter, and an ammonia slip catalyst. Not only that, but Euro 7-compliant cars might feature a diagnostics system built into the car's computers to analyze the engine at all times and make sure it meets emissions for 150,000 miles (241,400 kilometers). It all sounds quite expensive to implement, which is why we'll be hearing from other automakers about their plans to simplify the engine portfolio. It would seem the Euro 7 will be another nail in the internal combustion engine's coffin, effectively forcing automakers to accelerate the switch to EVs. Several brands have already announced plans to transition to an all-electric lineup by the end of the decade, including Jaguar (2025), Opel (2028), Ford of Europe (2030), Volvo (2030), Bentley (2030), and others. Bad for those countries and nations without extensive or feasible green-energy electricity generation infrastructure. :/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashiGT Internal Moderator August 26, 2021 Author Share August 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, DOBIEMKZ said: Bad for those countries and nations without extensive or feasible green-energy electricity generation infrastructure. 😕 But then again, those countries seldom will buy Mercs and BMW also. Sad is that we won't get to see another V8 roaring very soon le. 😥 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOBIEMKZ Turbocharged August 26, 2021 Share August 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, kobayashiGT said: But then again, those countries seldom will buy Mercs and BMW also. Sad is that we won't get to see another V8 roaring very soon le. 😥 If all car makers follow suit and discontinue ICE models then NG. :/ For many nations and countries , the time frame is still not feasible or ripe yet for EVs. :l Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fast1 Supersonic August 26, 2021 Share August 26, 2021 They can't do this, it's too soon for Singapore. Our gahmen will need time to study this extensively and figure out how to maximally squeeze EV motorists dry before they can implement the scheme. Won't anyone think of our poor wonderful gahmen? 😁 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watwheels Supersonic August 26, 2021 Share August 26, 2021 But what if hydrogen fuel is made widely available for cars in future? It is ICE nevertheless. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkl22 Twincharged August 26, 2021 Share August 26, 2021 looks like EV will be a must. more added stuff to spoil with the new emissions requirements. gonna make a combustion vehicle super expensive. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOBIEMKZ Turbocharged August 26, 2021 Share August 26, 2021 1 hour ago, kobayashiGT said: The combustion engine is living on borrowed time. https://www.motor1.com/photo/5822112/2022-mercedes-maybach-s680/ A recent (and rather shocking) proposal made by the European Commission calls for the end of new ICE car sales as early as 2035. That has to be voted by the 27 members of the European Union in order for the ban to come into effect, but in the meantime, automakers will likely be forced to shave off their gasoline and diesel offerings. Why? Euro 7 regulations are inbound. Expected to come into force in 2025, the more stringent CO2 emissions will put small cars powered by internal combustion engines in jeopardy. The reason being is that it will be tricky for automakers to still make a profit after tweaking the gasoline and diesel engines to make them comply with regulations. The same holds true for high-performance cars with their typically gas-guzzling engines. For these reasons, Mercedes is thinking ahead and it's planning to eliminate many engine variants. In an interview with Autocar, the three-pointed star's Chief operating officer Markus Schäfe admitted Mercedes will basically halve its engine variants later this decade: "[We] will reduce the number of engine variants, going through Euro 7, by about 50 percent." With the next-gen AMG C63 switching from a V8 to an electrified version of the AMG A45's four-cylinder engine, the transformation is about to start. How will Euro 7 change engines? According to proposals made by the European Commission's Consortium for Ultra Low Vehicle Emissions (Clove), cars could be fitted with a multi-stage "supercatalyst." The same British publication looked at the documents and found out gasoline-fueled cars could get a heated electric catalyst, dual three-way catalysts, a particulate filter, and an ammonia slip catalyst. Not only that, but Euro 7-compliant cars might feature a diagnostics system built into the car's computers to analyze the engine at all times and make sure it meets emissions for 150,000 miles (241,400 kilometers). It all sounds quite expensive to implement, which is why we'll be hearing from other automakers about their plans to simplify the engine portfolio. It would seem the Euro 7 will be another nail in the internal combustion engine's coffin, effectively forcing automakers to accelerate the switch to EVs. Several brands have already announced plans to transition to an all-electric lineup by the end of the decade, including Jaguar (2025), Opel (2028), Ford of Europe (2030), Volvo (2030), Bentley (2030), and others. I have been thinking that all these Euro regulations on car emission specification are all part of a grand plan by the European Union or Western European countries to get rid of their reliance on petroleum producing countries or not be held hostage by them in production cuts, curfews or embargoes whatsoever if there happens to be some kind of political conflicts like the Oil Crisis in the 1970s. I think that is their primary rationale. The reason of reducing vehicular emissions contribution to greenhouse gases is just a secondary thought given that globally, transportation (and that encompasses road, rail, air, and marine transportation) accounts for only about 15 percent of greenhouses gases. The EC could have draw up likewise stringent regulations for their industry and energy sectors but those are not so. The adoption of green energy by their goods producing industry and electricity/heat generation sector is still at quite a lacklustre pace. The US auto industry regulations are currently also more focused on improving fuel efficiency and emissions in the long term rather than aiming to kill off ICE vehicles. To me, it is like in Singapore context, our government mandates the reduction or even stoppage of feeder bus services in housing estates when LRT networks are not feasibly functional. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashiGT Internal Moderator August 26, 2021 Author Share August 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, DOBIEMKZ said: I have been thinking that all these Euro regulations on car emission specification are all part of a grand plan by the European Union or Western European countries to get rid of their reliance on petroleum producing countries or not be held hostage by them in production cuts, curfews or embargoes whatsoever if there happens to be some kind of political conflicts like the Oil Crisis in the 1970s. I think that is their primary rationale. The reason of reducing vehicular emissions contribution to greenhouse gases is just a secondary thought given that globally, transportation (and that encompasses road, rail, air, and marine transportation) accounts for only about 15 percent of greenhouses gases. The EC could have draw up likewise stringent regulations for their industry and energy sectors but those are not so. The adoption of green energy by their goods producing industry and electricity/heat generation sector is still at quite a lacklustre pace. The US auto industry regulations are currently also more focused on improving fuel efficiency and emissions in the long term rather than aiming to kill off ICE vehicles. To me, it is like in Singapore context, our government mandates the reduction or even stoppage of feeder bus services in housing estates when LRT networks are not feasibly functional. Yeah. I also think so. Who really cares about the earth? We only care about power and money. hahah. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ct3833 Supersonic August 26, 2021 Share August 26, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, kobayashiGT said: Yeah. I also think so. Who really cares about the earth? We only care about power and money. hahah. We do and do have to care about earth for ourselves and our next generation by reducing carbon footprint but not to the extent of cutting every good things in life . So reducing car usage is the way to go, zero car usage?.I don't think so. The automobile experts have to solve the emmission problem, be it producing better EV or hydrogen V etc. By imposing tighter emissions rules would force the expert to think harder and to be more innovative. Edited August 26, 2021 by Ct3833 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkl22 Twincharged August 26, 2021 Share August 26, 2021 1 hour ago, DOBIEMKZ said: I have been thinking that all these Euro regulations on car emission specification are all part of a grand plan by the European Union or Western European countries to get rid of their reliance on petroleum producing countries or not be held hostage by them in production cuts, curfews or embargoes whatsoever if there happens to be some kind of political conflicts like the Oil Crisis in the 1970s. I think that is their primary rationale. The reason of reducing vehicular emissions contribution to greenhouse gases is just a secondary thought given that globally, transportation (and that encompasses road, rail, air, and marine transportation) accounts for only about 15 percent of greenhouses gases. The EC could have draw up likewise stringent regulations for their industry and energy sectors but those are not so. The adoption of green energy by their goods producing industry and electricity/heat generation sector is still at quite a lacklustre pace. The US auto industry regulations are currently also more focused on improving fuel efficiency and emissions in the long term rather than aiming to kill off ICE vehicles. To me, it is like in Singapore context, our government mandates the reduction or even stoppage of feeder bus services in housing estates when LRT networks are not feasibly functional. Unfortunately we had and are making lots of money from having the refineries here. Will be a big hole in our GDP if all is gone 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashiGT Internal Moderator August 26, 2021 Author Share August 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, Ct3833 said: We do and do have to care about earth for ourselves and our next generation by reducing carbon footprint but not to the extent of cutting every good things in life . So reducing car usage is the way to go, zero car usage?.I don't think so. The automobile experts have to solve the emmission problem, be it producing better EV or hydrogen V etc. By imposing tighter emissions rules would force the expert to think harder and to be more innovative. Erm. I always find corporation and govt all have their own agenda rather than saving the earth. If the agenda is same, then they will go green. If not, they will ask you to dig more fossil fuel. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Supersonic August 26, 2021 Share August 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mkl22 said: Unfortunately we had and are making lots of money from having the refineries here. Will be a big hole in our GDP if all is gone I heard Exxon retrenched staff recently. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Supersonic August 26, 2021 Share August 26, 2021 Recently, Ferrari launched 296GTB. That's a sign that V8 will be history soon. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkl22 Twincharged August 26, 2021 Share August 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, inlinesix said: I heard Exxon retrenched staff recently. Worldwide. Aggressive chopping 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartbreakid 6th Gear August 26, 2021 Share August 26, 2021 4 hours ago, kobayashiGT said: But then again, those countries seldom will buy Mercs and BMW also. Sad is that we won't get to see another V8 roaring very soon le. 😥 Happy also in a way, we don't get nuisance drivers revving their V8 roaring cars late at night. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOBIEMKZ Turbocharged August 27, 2021 Share August 27, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, Heartbreakid said: Happy also in a way, we don't get nuisance drivers revving their V8 roaring cars late at night. Well.... I don't hear v8 cars roaring late at night but I heard neighbours moaning like v8 cars. Edited August 27, 2021 by DOBIEMKZ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniu82 Supercharged August 27, 2021 Share August 27, 2021 1 hour ago, DOBIEMKZ said: Well.... I don't hear v8 cars roaring late at night but I heard neighbours moaning like v8 cars. Can someone also remove roaring motorbikes from the roads too? These are getting more and more on the roads. Dunno if it’s because the border is closed and they are all stuck here. ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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