Let's talk about Vaccine Booster Shots

[Wt_know]

45 minutes ago, Ender said:

My old folks in the 80s and those of my age, i strongly advise them to take mRNA.  For my children , i adopt a wait first til we have more options. Some just want to paint that we are either for or against mrna. Depend on context.

yup. depend on context. 

if the mRNA is not made by Pfizer/BNT but Pua Chu Kang Pte Ltd because of opportunistic and said they got a super smart doctor … i will not take lo

even for the old tech vaccine .. is it really super duper safe? yes, the method is old school but is is still a brand new vaccine … untested … the vaccine safety is as good as the company that make it

since the tech is so mature … can simply copy and paste bao jiak … why so many companies fail and give up 1/2 way

so based on context … to each his own what vaccine he or she choose

[Windwaver]

So best is ownself protect ownself?

[13177]

6 hours ago, Ender said:

My old folks in the 80s and those of my age, i strongly advise them to take mRNA.  For my children , i adopt a wait first til we have more options. Some just want to paint that we are either for or against mrna. Depend on context.

Just saw TV news reported that the vaccination rate for children is quite high le.

So how about those people age in the middle one? Should go take mRNA? Lol.

[Kb27]

10 minutes ago, 13177 said:

Just saw TV news reported that the vaccination rate for children is quite high le.

So how about those people age in the middle one? Should go take mRNA? Lol.

I think it's good. US has many children who died from COVID, although it's said they are less likely, but it still happens.

 

Children are hospitalized with Covid at record numbers

The number of children hospitalized with Covid-19 is soaring nationwide, especially as the highly transmissible omicron variant of the coronavirus spreads across the country.

According to an NBC News analysis, at least nine states have reported record numbers of Covid-related pediatric hospitalizations: Connecticut, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Maine, Missouri, Ohio and Pennsylvania, as well as Washington, D.C.

Some of those children were found to be Covid-positive through routine testing if they had to be hospitalized for other, unrelated issues. But many have been hospitalized specifically because of complications from Covid-19.

The spike in hospitalizations frustrates pediatric infectious disease doctors on the front lines treating children sick with the coronavirus.

"It seems like people have tried to downplay the significance of the disease in children," said Dr. Mark Kline, the physician-in-chief at Children's Hospital New Orleans. "We've spent two years rebutting myths pertaining to Covid and children, that it's 'harmless' for children. It's not."

As of Monday, Kline said, 14 children were sick enough with Covid-19 to be hospitalized at his facility, and three were in the intensive care unit.

The three children are under age 2. The youngest is just 8 weeks old.

At Texas Children's Hospital in Houston, pediatric hospitalization numbers, at close to 70 patients, have surpassed the peak of patients during the surge of the delta variant in the summer, Dr. Jim Versalovic, a pathologist who is a co-leader of the Covid-19 Command Center, said at a news briefing Monday. More than 90 percent of the cases are due to the omicron variant.

"More children infected with omicron still translates into a big number of children who may need hospital-based care," Versalovic said.

On Monday, the American Academy of Pediatrics reported a sharp rise in pediatric Covid-19 cases. At least 325,340 cases were reported during the week of Dec. 23, compared with 198,551 cases during the week of Dec. 16. While serious illness from Covid is still rare for younger children, the sheer number of new cases worries doctors.

As of Sunday, the number of pediatric Covid admissions had hit a new peak: 1,354 a day, based on a seven-day average, according to NBC News data.

We rarely see a vaccinated child in the hospital.

And the number of kids who simply occupied hospital beds each day, even if they ultimately weren't admitted to the hospital, reached a record average of 3,081 a day over the last seven-day period.

Kline co-authored a study, published last week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, that analyzed 915 Covid cases among children and teenagers hospitalized at six medical centers in July and August.

More than three-quarters — 78 percent — were hospitalized because of complications of Covid-19. About half needed help breathing, and nearly a third were placed in intensive care.

A third of the 915 patients were otherwise healthy, without any underlying health problems that would have put them at greater risk.

 

 

“I think a lot of parents have been relying on the narrative that if you have a healthy child, it’s very unlikely that your child can get sick from Covid. That’s not true,” said Dr. Amy Edwards, a pediatric infectious disease expert at University Hospitals Rainbow Babies & Children’s Hospital in Cleveland.

"It is true that statistically speaking, your kid probably won’t have severe Covid, but statistics don't matter when it's your child who ends up getting sick," she said.

Edwards said she and her colleagues have noted a "significant uptick" in the number of children admitted to the hospital recently with Covid-19, as well as an increase in the number of such children needing IV fluids, oxygen support and, in some cases, ventilation.

Majority are unvaccinated

And doctors say that overwhelmingly, the vast majority of children hospitalized with Covid-19 are unvaccinated, because either they are too young to be eligible or their parents declined to get them vaccinated.

"We rarely see a vaccinated child in the hospital," Kline said.

Kline conducted his research during the height of the delta variant's spread last summer. Although some studies have suggested that the omicron variant may result in milder illness overall, Kline said the sheer number of omicron cases inevitably will lead to more hospitalizations.

 

 

"It's a bit of wishful thinking to say, 'Well, it's mild,' or 'It's going to be OK,' but if there are 10 times as many cases, that still equates with a lot of hospitalizations and a lot of ICU admissions and, unfortunately, deaths," he said.

Other pediatric infectious disease physicians, too, are concerned that the speed at which the omicron variant is spreading will increase the number of children sick enough to be hospitalized.

"I have never seen an infection sweep an entire country in a matter of a week or two," said Dr. David Kimberlin, a co-director of the division of pediatric infectious diseases at the University of Alabama at Birmingham.

"The rate of cases in my portion of Alabama is like a rocket ship," Kimberlin said. "It reflects how much virus is out there in the community. With that, we’re going to see increasing hospitalization numbers."

Even if children are hospitalized for other reasons and test positive for Covid-19 during routine screenings, it doesn't mean the impact is any less significant.

Dr. Chethan Sathya, a pediatric surgeon at Cohen Children's Medical Center in New York, part of Northwell Health, said that "literally every child" whom he and his team operated on or treated otherwise over the weekend was Covid-positive. Even if their illnesses weren't specific to the coronavirus, they stretched resources nevertheless.

A young patient rushed into the operating room because of a burst appendix, for example, must be put into an isolation room to recover from surgery if he or she is found to be Covid-positive.

"That just slows the whole system down and severely limits our ability to keep things moving," Sathya said.

What are Covid symptom warning signs for children?

Although many pediatric Covid cases are mild enough to be cared for at home, doctors say there are some warning signs that a child isn't improving and should be seen by a doctor.

Edwards, of UH Rainbow Babies & Children's Hospital, said signs to watch for include:

Trouble breathing.

Dehydration.

Persistent pain or pressure in the chest.

"As soon as you're having trouble getting them to drink or their diapers are drying up or they're not going to the bathroom as much and they look like they're having a harder time breathing, that's when we want to get them evaluated," Edwards said.

Edited January 7, 2022 by Kb27

[Ender]

15 minutes ago, 13177 said:

Just saw TV news reported that the vaccination rate for children is quite high le.

So how about those people age in the middle one? Should go take mRNA? Lol.

Ownself weigh the risk.. under 30, with no underlying condition, zero death.  Some need oxygen supplementation. Vaccine injury unknown.

Under 18, zero death, don't know have any under oxygen supplementation Even have, it hardly register as a blip in a graph compare to older age group. Vaccine injury got one fully claim the Vifab, i.e permanent injury.

 

[Ender]

13 minutes ago, Kb27 said:

I think it's good. US has many children who died from COVID, although it's said they are less likely, but it still happens.

 

Children are hospitalized with Covid at record numbers

The number of children hospitalized with Covid-19 is soaring nationwide, especially as the highly transmissible omicron variant of the coronavirus spreads across the country.

According to an NBC News analysis, at least nine states have reported record numbers of Covid-related pediatric hospitalizations: Connecticut, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Maine, Missouri, Ohio and Pennsylvania, as well as Washington, D.C.

Some of those children were found to be Covid-positive through routine testing if they had to be hospitalized for other, unrelated issues. But many have been hospitalized specifically because of complications from Covid-19.

The spike in hospitalizations frustrates pediatric infectious disease doctors on the front lines treating children sick with the coronavirus.

"It seems like people have tried to downplay the significance of the disease in children," said Dr. Mark Kline, the physician-in-chief at Children's Hospital New Orleans. "We've spent two years rebutting myths pertaining to Covid and children, that it's 'harmless' for children. It's not."

As of Monday, Kline said, 14 children were sick enough with Covid-19 to be hospitalized at his facility, and three were in the intensive care unit.

The three children are under age 2. The youngest is just 8 weeks old.

At Texas Children's Hospital in Houston, pediatric hospitalization numbers, at close to 70 patients, have surpassed the peak of patients during the surge of the delta variant in the summer, Dr. Jim Versalovic, a pathologist who is a co-leader of the Covid-19 Command Center, said at a news briefing Monday. More than 90 percent of the cases are due to the omicron variant.

"More children infected with omicron still translates into a big number of children who may need hospital-based care," Versalovic said.

On Monday, the American Academy of Pediatrics reported a sharp rise in pediatric Covid-19 cases. At least 325,340 cases were reported during the week of Dec. 23, compared with 198,551 cases during the week of Dec. 16. While serious illness from Covid is still rare for younger children, the sheer number of new cases worries doctors.

As of Sunday, the number of pediatric Covid admissions had hit a new peak: 1,354 a day, based on a seven-day average, according to NBC News data.

We rarely see a vaccinated child in the hospital.

And the number of kids who simply occupied hospital beds each day, even if they ultimately weren't admitted to the hospital, reached a record average of 3,081 a day over the last seven-day period.

Kline co-authored a study, published last week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, that analyzed 915 Covid cases among children and teenagers hospitalized at six medical centers in July and August.

More than three-quarters — 78 percent — were hospitalized because of complications of Covid-19. About half needed help breathing, and nearly a third were placed in intensive care.

A third of the 915 patients were otherwise healthy, without any underlying health problems that would have put them at greater risk.

 

 

“I think a lot of parents have been relying on the narrative that if you have a healthy child, it’s very unlikely that your child can get sick from Covid. That’s not true,” said Dr. Amy Edwards, a pediatric infectious disease expert at University Hospitals Rainbow Babies & Children’s Hospital in Cleveland.

"It is true that statistically speaking, your kid probably won’t have severe Covid, but statistics don't matter when it's your child who ends up getting sick," she said.

Edwards said she and her colleagues have noted a "significant uptick" in the number of children admitted to the hospital recently with Covid-19, as well as an increase in the number of such children needing IV fluids, oxygen support and, in some cases, ventilation.

Majority are unvaccinated

And doctors say that overwhelmingly, the vast majority of children hospitalized with Covid-19 are unvaccinated, because either they are too young to be eligible or their parents declined to get them vaccinated.

"We rarely see a vaccinated child in the hospital," Kline said.

Kline conducted his research during the height of the delta variant's spread last summer. Although some studies have suggested that the omicron variant may result in milder illness overall, Kline said the sheer number of omicron cases inevitably will lead to more hospitalizations.

 

 

"It's a bit of wishful thinking to say, 'Well, it's mild,' or 'It's going to be OK,' but if there are 10 times as many cases, that still equates with a lot of hospitalizations and a lot of ICU admissions and, unfortunately, deaths," he said.

Other pediatric infectious disease physicians, too, are concerned that the speed at which the omicron variant is spreading will increase the number of children sick enough to be hospitalized.

"I have never seen an infection sweep an entire country in a matter of a week or two," said Dr. David Kimberlin, a co-director of the division of pediatric infectious diseases at the University of Alabama at Birmingham.

"The rate of cases in my portion of Alabama is like a rocket ship," Kimberlin said. "It reflects how much virus is out there in the community. With that, we’re going to see increasing hospitalization numbers."

Even if children are hospitalized for other reasons and test positive for Covid-19 during routine screenings, it doesn't mean the impact is any less significant.

Dr. Chethan Sathya, a pediatric surgeon at Cohen Children's Medical Center in New York, part of Northwell Health, said that "literally every child" whom he and his team operated on or treated otherwise over the weekend was Covid-positive. Even if their illnesses weren't specific to the coronavirus, they stretched resources nevertheless.

A young patient rushed into the operating room because of a burst appendix, for example, must be put into an isolation room to recover from surgery if he or she is found to be Covid-positive.

"That just slows the whole system down and severely limits our ability to keep things moving," Sathya said.

What are Covid symptom warning signs for children?

Although many pediatric Covid cases are mild enough to be cared for at home, doctors say there are some warning signs that a child isn't improving and should be seen by a doctor.

Edwards, of UH Rainbow Babies & Children's Hospital, said signs to watch for include:

Trouble breathing.

Dehydration.

Persistent pain or pressure in the chest.

"As soon as you're having trouble getting them to drink or their diapers are drying up or they're not going to the bathroom as much and they look like they're having a harder time breathing, that's when we want to get them evaluated," Edwards said.

Why use USA? Their covid death rate is among one the highest in develop country. Don't know what's going on with their Covid task force..

[therock]

William Shakespeare came to get vaccinated.
💉 
Nurse: Which arm?
W.Shakespeare: As you like it

Nurse: Was that painful?
Shakespeare:Much ado about nothing.

Nurse: You will have to have a second jab.
Shakespeare: Measure for measure?

Nurse: So, how was the experience?
Shakespeare: A midsummer night's dream!

Nurse: So what do you think of the govt handling of Covid?
 Shakespeare:  Comedy of Errors.

Shakespeare now began asking the nurse.
Shakespeare: When will my quarantine end?
Nurse: On the Twelfth Night.

Shakespeare: Who will foot my quarantine bill?
Nurse: The Merchant of Venice.

Shakespeare: Where will I be put up for my quarantine?
Nurse: In a Hamlet.

Shakespeare: Thank you for helping me
Nurse: All's Well That Ends Well.

🌿

[Voodooman]

23 minutes ago, Ender said:

Why use USA? Their covid death rate is among one the highest in develop country. Don't know what's going on with their Covid task force..

Many unvax (62% vaccinated) and a lot of people are  refusing to wear masks. Too much freedom to die. 

As Omicron swept through US, their ICUs are at full capacity again, leaving people to die unnecessarily.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/chicago-cancels-school-record-setting-omicron-wave-spurs-more-disruptions-2022-01-05/

[Ender]

1 minute ago, Voodooman said:

Many unvax (62% vaccinated) and a lot of people are  refusing to wear masks. Too much freedom to die. 

As Omicron swept through US, their ICUs are at full capacity again, leaving people to die unnecessarily.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/chicago-cancels-school-record-setting-omicron-wave-spurs-more-disruptions-2022-01-05/

There proabably other reasons too. Our 12 - 18 didn't get vax til june last year, many were still unvax when Delta hit us in July-Sept. So were the children under 12. If see the stats, our chidlren were doing very well.  Singapore children in general I feel are healthier than other countries, the health checks done by MOE since birth til Primary 6 and madantaory vaccine program helps, I guess.

Talking about many refusing to wear maks,  EU death rate is alot lower, remember the ah pek youtiber present the comparison before.

[Voodooman]

59 minutes ago, Ender said:

There proabably other reasons too. Our 12 - 18 didn't get vax til june last year, many were still unvax when Delta hit us in July-Sept. So were the children under 12. If see the stats, our chidlren were doing very well.  Singapore children in general I feel are healthier than other countries, the health checks done by MOE since birth til Primary 6 and madantaory vaccine program helps, I guess.

Talking about many refusing to wear maks,  EU death rate is alot lower, remember the ah pek youtiber present the comparison before.

I agree that the risk and benefits of vaccination for young kids is less clear although the statistics appears to favor vaccination but the risk overall on both fronts (vaccination and severe illness from Covid infection) remains low. The young and healthy are not dying from Covid in big numbers. 

I thought wearing of mask (and social distancing) is mandatory indoors in many European countries (France, Germany, Spain, etc during big outbreaks but less so in UK, Hungary and a few countries).  US, due to their politics, is finding it challenging to even impose mask mandate and Covid passport and that is why people are dying.

Europe generally have higher vaccination rate too. 

The other main determinating factor is probably adequate medical care for those infected, I think. 

[Blueray]

87% vaxxed

44% boosted

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/777-new-covid-19-cases-in-spore-weekly-infection-growth-rate-rises-to-169

[Windwaver]

12 hours ago, Voodooman said:

I agree that the risk and benefits of vaccination for young kids is less clear although the statistics appears to favor vaccination but the risk overall on both fronts (vaccination and severe illness from Covid infection) remains low. The young and healthy are not dying from Covid in big numbers. 

I thought wearing of mask (and social distancing) is mandatory indoors in many European countries (France, Germany, Spain, etc during big outbreaks but less so in UK, Hungary and a few countries).  US, due to their politics, is finding it challenging to even impose mask mandate and Covid passport and that is why people are dying.

Europe generally have higher vaccination rate too. 

The other main determinating factor is probably adequate medical care for those infected, I think. 

Proper mask wearing is important in reducing infection to start off with.

Many people doesn't know what a good mask is and even worse, wear them wrongly.

 

[Blueray]

'Too early' to determine if additional COVID-19 vaccine doses needed: Ong Ye Kung

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SINGAPORE: Health Minister Ong Ye Kung on Friday (Jan 7) said that it was "too early" to determine if further doses of the COVID-19 vaccine would be required. 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-additional-vaccine-booster-doses-too-early-ong-ye-kung-2421506

[Fcw75]

43 minutes ago, Blueray said:

'Too early' to determine if additional COVID-19 vaccine doses needed: Ong Ye Kung

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-additional-vaccine-booster-doses-too-early-ong-ye-kung-2421506

Sure will have la.

Can always smell what they are cooking. 🙄

[inlinesix]

39 minutes ago, Fcw75 said:

Sure will have la.

Can always smell what they are cooking. 🙄

Every 9 months lo.

No different from annual flu jab

[Fcw75]

13 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

Every 9 months lo.

No different from annual flu jab

Big difference even though both are not mandatory.

Status will become UNVACCINATED if you don’t take it after 9 months. One can’t do anything and can even lose job.

I don’t see the same with influenza jab.

[Windwaver]

5 hours ago, Blueray said:

'Too early' to determine if additional COVID-19 vaccine doses needed: Ong Ye Kung

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-additional-vaccine-booster-doses-too-early-ong-ye-kung-2421506

"It is too early to answer that question. If we look at an endemic disease like Influenza, people take annual vaccines to protect themselves. This is because the Influenza virus keeps mutating so a new vaccine dose is necessary every year," he said.

 

The big difference is not taking a flu vaccine doesn't make you lose your job.

[Lethalstrike]

11 hours ago, Fcw75 said:

Big difference even though both are not mandatory.

Status will become UNVACCINATED if you don’t take it after 9 months. One can’t do anything and can even lose job.

I don’t see the same with influenza jab.

A friend of mine got a heart attack just 2 days after his Moderna booster. First 2 shots Moderna, luckily his wife was at home when he fell unconscious. Not discouraging people from boosting, but first 2 shots OK, doesn't mean booster will be fine. Doesn't mean booster OK, 4th shot will be fine. He has been a healthy individual all along with yearly check ups. No high cholesterol, no underlying heart or health conditions. 

Pretty damn scary at the unknowns...