Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set. What????

[Beregond]

24 minutes ago, Throttle2 said:

So its a sabo.  Someone put live rounds.  

anw is live round use in moving shooting??

maybe that gun is loaded with life. but the guy that pass the gun to alec assume its blank, he even shout to alec its blank. 

he assume is blank, alec assume is blank. and its live..........

its only sabo if there is not suppose to have life round in the shooting and somehow live round found itself into the gun. 

Edited October 23, 2021 by Beregond

[Lala81]

10 minutes ago, Beregond said:

anw is live round use in moving shooting??

maybe that gun is loaded with life. but the guy that pass the gun to alec assume its blank, he even shout to alec its blank. 

he assume is blank, alec assume is blank. and its live..........

its only sabo if there is not suppose to have life round in the shooting and somehow live round found itself into the gun. 

you think i thought who confirm?

That's what we learned during NS. It's almost always human errors. Not sure why is there even live round on set. It's not like military range training...

 

 

Edited October 23, 2021 by Lala81

[Playtime]

1 hour ago, Lala81 said:

you think i thought who confirm?

That's what we learned during NS. It's almost always human errors. Not sure why is there even live round on set. It's not like military range training...

 

 

Show to boss, say :" see la.. SEEEEEE!!!... multi task some more lah. Tell you I overloaded liao still don't listen... anything you answer hor."

[Beanoyip]

Question why was the person behind the camera shot? Was it part of a scene that he needs to point in a direction that needs to be shot?

[Shibadog]

3 hours ago, Beanoyip said:

Question why was the person behind the camera shot? Was it part of a scene that he needs to point in a direction that needs to be shot?

filming the target's perspective of being shot at. 

 

[Shibadog]

5 hours ago, Lala81 said:

you think i thought who confirm?

That's what we learned during NS. It's almost always human errors. Not sure why is there even live round on set. It's not like military range training...

 

 

human error or process failure. But processes are drawn up by human so one can say process failure is also human error.

also, let's not forget this sad incident happened in USA, not mediacorp studio. Gun laws and gun acceptance is very different there. So it might be accepted there to have live rounds around. Safety regulations are different there. Here, a single 5.56mm round is big deal. Over there, people won't bat an eyelid.

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/weapons-charges-new-mexico.htm

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New Mexico is an "open carry" state, which means that it's legal for most adults to openly carry guns and other deadly weapons in public without a license. But you do need a license to carry a concealed, loaded gun. And certain people aren't allowed to have any firearms. Read on for details of the state's restrictions on carrying, possessing, and using deadly weapons.

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also, they might have live rounds on set for the actors to practice live firing at a range on set. To get them used to it and to help them get in character.

[Throttle2]

9 hours ago, Beregond said:

anw is live round use in moving shooting??

maybe that gun is loaded with life. but the guy that pass the gun to alec assume its blank, he even shout to alec its blank. 

he assume is blank, alec assume is blank. and its live..........

its only sabo if there is not suppose to have life round in the shooting and somehow live round found itself into the gun. 

For filming leh. 
prop gun leh. Who would put live rounds in there? 
definitely will cost someones life

[Kb27]

someone pass him a gun and say it's cold (empty).

he never checks, he shoots....hmm....this is a gun, not a pen. how many minutes does it take to pull open and check ?

[Throttle2]

4 hours ago, Kb27 said:

someone pass him a gun and say it's cold (empty).

he never checks, he shoots....hmm....this is a gun, not a pen. how many minutes does it take to pull open and check ?

At a movie set while filming.

no actor would

To be fair

[Shibadog]

this speaks volumes https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

Hours before actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of “Rust” with a prop gun, a half-dozen camera crew workers walked off the set to protest working conditions.

The camera operators and their assistants were frustrated by the conditions surrounding the low-budget film, including complaints about long hours, long commutes and waiting for their paychecks, according to three people familiar with the matter who were not authorized to comment.

Safety protocols standard in the industry, including gun inspections, were not strictly followed on the “Rust” set near Santa Fe, the sources said. They said at least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to a production manager about gun safety on the set.

Three crew members who were present at the Bonanza Creek Ranch set on Saturday said they were particularly concerned about two accidental prop gun discharges.

Baldwin’s stunt double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was “cold” — lingo for a weapon that doesn’t have any ammunition, including blanks — two crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.

“There should have been an investigation into what happened,” a crew member said. “There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush.”

A colleague was so alarmed by the prop gun misfires that he sent a text message to the unit production manager. “We’ve now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe,” according to a copy of the message reviewed by The Times.

“The safety of our cast and crew is the top priority of Rust Productions and everyone associated with the company, " Rust Movie Productions said in a statement. “Though we were not made aware of any official complaints concerning weapon or prop safety on set, we will be conducting an internal review of our procedures while production is shut down. We will continue to cooperate with the Santa Fe authorities in their investigation and offer mental health services to the cast and crew during this tragic time.”

 

[Mustank]

On 10/23/2021 at 12:29 AM, Volvobrick said:

Never trust anyone loading a gun on your behalf..... It could also blow up in your hand.

Totally agree

[BabyBlade]

1 hour ago, Shibadog said:

this speaks volumes https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

Hours before actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of “Rust” with a prop gun, a half-dozen camera crew workers walked off the set to protest working conditions.

The camera operators and their assistants were frustrated by the conditions surrounding the low-budget film, including complaints about long hours, long commutes and waiting for their paychecks, according to three people familiar with the matter who were not authorized to comment.

Safety protocols standard in the industry, including gun inspections, were not strictly followed on the “Rust” set near Santa Fe, the sources said. They said at least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to a production manager about gun safety on the set.

Three crew members who were present at the Bonanza Creek Ranch set on Saturday said they were particularly concerned about two accidental prop gun discharges.

Baldwin’s stunt double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was “cold” — lingo for a weapon that doesn’t have any ammunition, including blanks — two crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.

“There should have been an investigation into what happened,” a crew member said. “There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush.”

A colleague was so alarmed by the prop gun misfires that he sent a text message to the unit production manager. “We’ve now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe,” according to a copy of the message reviewed by The Times.

“The safety of our cast and crew is the top priority of Rust Productions and everyone associated with the company, " Rust Movie Productions said in a statement. “Though we were not made aware of any official complaints concerning weapon or prop safety on set, we will be conducting an internal review of our procedures while production is shut down. We will continue to cooperate with the Santa Fe authorities in their investigation and offer mental health services to the cast and crew during this tragic time.”

 

Maybe there was some disgruntled employee unhappy about the working conditions. Too much of a coincidence? Anw it's easy for me to just speculate. 

[Didu]

6 hours ago, Kb27 said:

someone pass him a gun and say it's cold (empty).

he never checks, he shoots....hmm....this is a gun, not a pen. how many minutes does it take to pull open and check ?

After receiving the prop gun, Alec did not physically open cylinder to check for rounds,  show sergeant empty weapon and shout "CLEAR!" arh?  Why liddat??!?  😁

After which sergeant will say, "Repeat after me,...I...rank name and IC number....declare that.....I do not possess...."

[Camrysfa]

21 hours ago, Beanoyip said:

Question why was the person behind the camera shot? Was it part of a scene that he needs to point in a direction that needs to be shot?

 

 

[Datsun366]

1. Buay song work environment.

2. Sabotage by impotent staff.

3. Ever seen pinhole punctures at where pinhole leaks should almost never be.

4. Thats why Hong Kong filmsets always worship and serve roast pig and other hearty food for a positive work environment. 

5. That kung fu director if he had firearms, might have similar incident by the way he can squeeze water from rocks.

6. Diversity creates the environment for conflict.

If applied racism is to be used then go all the way, dont have different columns and expect to work together while expecting or visualizing self to be a Julius.

*Things change, people change...old formulas fail because materiel composition change.*

7. Old bird hanging to past achievement. What made a general can sia suay you no end in a new playground with new playmates.

8. Good wartime leaders make poor peacetime leaders as well as the converse. Eg. Douglas Macarthur.

9. Alec Baldwin must have pissed off a very intelligent and evil person(s). No horse run liao.

10. Really handed weapon direct to weapon master? Most likely dropped the gun.

 

[Datsun366]

Presser just in.

 

[Macrosszero]

https://www.tmz.com/2021/10/27/nicolas-cage-yelled-hannah-gutierrez-reed-rust/

Pay peanuts get monkeys - this girl too young and too dumb to know she was stupid. As the armourer for the show, her lawyers claimed "“Hannah has no idea where the live rounds came from,” :

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/29/movies/hannah-gutierrez-reed-rust-armorer.html

 

 

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