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6 minutes ago, Voodooman said:

Maybe China too. It is a lesson for the Taiwanese, don't count on the Americans to fight on your behalf. 

angmoh is shit stirrer and not fighter

just look at iraq and afghan war

stir ar stir with tens of billions business opportunity

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1 minute ago, Voodooman said:

This war will probably make Russia less trigger happy going forward.

Maybe China too. It is a lesson for the Taiwanese, don't count on the Americans to fight on your behalf. 

American has been vague with its commitment.  But, it has been selling weapons to Taiwan to protect itself.

 

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Just now, Wt_know said:

angmohs are the shit stirrer and not fighter

just look at iraq and afghan war

Both Iraq and Afghan was fought and won by American.

Unfortunately, these countries don't produce leaders that don't milk the country.

Iraq is plagued by infighting btw Sunni and Shia.

In Afghan, only Taliban can run this tribal country.  Unfortunately, women have to be sacrificed along the way.

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3 hours ago, inlinesix said:

Under Budapest Memorandum, Russia was supposed to provide a security guarantee to Ukraine.

Can Russia be trusted going forward in any peace deal?

Politically, it is a lose-lose battle for both Putin and Zalenskyy to agree to any peace deal now.

Never trust putin.

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Gepards will now get its needed ammo, previously blocked by Switzerland due to its neutrality law. More russian drones are going to fall out of the sky. 😀

 

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3658721-switzerland-plans-to-allow-reexport-of-its-weapons-to-ukraine.html

Switzerland plans to allow re-export of its weapons to Ukraine

The Swiss National Council's Security Policy Committee has supported a parliamentary initiative to allow the re-export of war materiel in certain cases, in particular in the case of the Russian-Ukrainian war.

The Swiss parliament's press service reported this on Tuesday, according to Ukrinform.

"The National Council's Security Policy Committee adopted, by 14 votes to 11, a motion and a parliamentary committee initiative relating to the re-export of war materiel," the report said.

According to the parliamentarians, "declarations of non-re-export" must be able to be revoked in the event of a violation of the international prohibition against the use of force, and specifically in the case of the Russian-Ukrainian war.

The parliamentary initiative also wants to amend Article 18 of the Federal Act on War Materiel to invalidate declarations of non-re-export if it is established that the re-export of war material to Ukraine is linked to the Russian-Ukrainian war. This amendment should be declared urgent and remain in force until December 31, 2025.

 

The Security Policy Committee believes that Switzerland should provide more support to Ukraine, and the proposed changes do not violate the law on neutrality, since it is not about the direct export of equipment. The minority of the committee fears that the re-export of Swiss weapons to Ukraine could pose a problem from the point of view of neutrality, in particular with regard to the principle of equal treatment.

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100 western tanks or more for Ukraine ?

Leopard 2 - many

Abrams - 50 ?

Challenger 2 - 14

Leclerc - maybe

russia will beat them all  [laugh]

 

https://news.yahoo.com/u-germany-poised-send-tanks-005457592.html

BERLIN/KYIV (Reuters) -Germany announced plans on Wednesday to deliver heavy tanks to Ukraine, and the United States was poised to do so too, a breakthrough hailed as a decisive military boost by Kyiv and condemned by Moscow as a reckless provocation.

Kyiv has been calling for months for Western main battle tanks that would give its forces greater firepower, protection and mobility to break through Russian defensive lines and potentially swoop through territory occupied by the invaders.

"A few hundred tanks for our tank crews .... This is what is going to become a real punching fist of democracy," Andriy Yermak, the head of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's administration, wrote on Telegram.

Germany will send an initial company of 14 Leopard 2 tanks from its own stocks and approve shipments by allies who field them, with the aim of supplying Ukraine with two battalions, typically comprising three-four companies each. Berlin would also provide training, ammunition and maintenance.

"This decision follows our well-known line of supporting Ukraine to the best of our ability. We are acting in a closely coordinated manner internationally," Cancellor Olaf Scholz said in a statement.

Two sources in the United States said Washington would also provide dozens of its Abrams M1 tanks.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said any U.S. tanks sent to Ukraine would "burn like all the rest".

Twenty armies worldwide field Leopards, which Germany has made in their thousands. Poland and Finland have already pledged them once Berlin agrees, and several other countries are expected to follow swiftly. Britain has already offered a company of its comparable Challengers and France is considering sending its Leclercs.

Mark Hertling, a former commander of U.S. ground forces in Europe, estimated Leopards could reach Ukraine's battlefields as soon as March. The turbine-powered U.S. tanks, which need more logistical support, could be more than eight months away.

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26 minutes ago, Kb27 said:

100 western tanks or more for Ukraine ?

Leopard 2 - many

Abrams - 50 ?

Challenger 2 - 14

Leclerc - maybe

russia will beat them all  [laugh]

 

https://news.yahoo.com/u-germany-poised-send-tanks-005457592.html

BERLIN/KYIV (Reuters) -Germany announced plans on Wednesday to deliver heavy tanks to Ukraine, and the United States was poised to do so too, a breakthrough hailed as a decisive military boost by Kyiv and condemned by Moscow as a reckless provocation.

Kyiv has been calling for months for Western main battle tanks that would give its forces greater firepower, protection and mobility to break through Russian defensive lines and potentially swoop through territory occupied by the invaders.

"A few hundred tanks for our tank crews .... This is what is going to become a real punching fist of democracy," Andriy Yermak, the head of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's administration, wrote on Telegram.

Germany will send an initial company of 14 Leopard 2 tanks from its own stocks and approve shipments by allies who field them, with the aim of supplying Ukraine with two battalions, typically comprising three-four companies each. Berlin would also provide training, ammunition and maintenance.

"This decision follows our well-known line of supporting Ukraine to the best of our ability. We are acting in a closely coordinated manner internationally," Cancellor Olaf Scholz said in a statement.

Two sources in the United States said Washington would also provide dozens of its Abrams M1 tanks.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said any U.S. tanks sent to Ukraine would "burn like all the rest".

Twenty armies worldwide field Leopards, which Germany has made in their thousands. Poland and Finland have already pledged them once Berlin agrees, and several other countries are expected to follow swiftly. Britain has already offered a company of its comparable Challengers and France is considering sending its Leclercs.

Mark Hertling, a former commander of U.S. ground forces in Europe, estimated Leopards could reach Ukraine's battlefields as soon as March. The turbine-powered U.S. tanks, which need more logistical support, could be more than eight months away.

Watch on YT. The comments are damn funny......

 

 

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wonder if the western tanks will be de-modded before passing to the Ukraines?

in case the tanks were captured and technology leaked to the russkies.

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5 hours ago, inlinesix said:

Abrams NG for muddy terrain 

I read one US officer say Abrams don't care about mud or deep snow, it's engine is so powerful, it just runs over it like nothing.

However, its logistical supply of fuel will have problem catching up.

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22 minutes ago, Kb27 said:

I read one US officer say Abrams don't care about mud or deep snow, it's engine is so powerful, it just runs over it like nothing.

However, its logistical supply of fuel will have problem catching up.

Leopard 2 engine also as powerful leh. 

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28 minutes ago, Kb27 said:

Even without DU armour the default armour configuration is a pretty solid passive protection already.

And protection can be enhanced if fitted with active protection system.

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3 hours ago, Xefera said:

wonder if the western tanks will be de-modded before passing to the Ukraines?

in case the tanks were captured and technology leaked to the russkies.

thats normal, some parts will definitely be removed. its up to the supplying nation.

even the M777 arty is different from what the US army itself uses, the gun is same, but got certain gun laying electronics removed.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-supplied-howitzers-ukraine-lack-accuracy-aiding-computers/story?id=84840798

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1 hour ago, inlinesix said:

Gas turbine is more powderful than diesel

But need to drink jet fuel is a logistical nightmare in a protracted war.. cannot even use any captured supplies...

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