Putin starts “military operation” on Ukraine

[macrosszero]

1 hour ago, Ct3833 said:

The problem is russia has created so much damage to ukraine, even russia will to withdraw now, it will take ukraine decades to rebuid their country, letting alone where to find money. Anyway, one step at a time, just hope they could win the war soon with the weapon supply from  the western countries .

In my opinion, the cities and economies of Germany and Japan were devastated at the end of WW2 but became powerhouses because they were able to start on a clean slate.

[Ct3833]

1 hour ago, Macrosszero said:

In my opinion, the cities and economies of Germany and Japan were devastated at the end of WW2 but became powerhouses because they were able to start on a clean slate.

there are at least a few differences.

1. Both Germany and Japan were quite strong then, they were able to recouped after WW2 very quickly. Ukraine is different, there were already quite poor before russia invasion, the current war will sink them deeper into poverty,  getting money to run the nation is already tough, can forget about finding money to go into growing industry and technology evolution.

2. Technology were not as advance in the 40s, both Germany and Japan were able to focus and find breakthrough in engineering, automotive and electronic to bounce back very quickly. But in today's world, unless a country could find breakthrough in some area, it is very difficult to compete technology knowhow with economy power house like the US, Japan and China. 

3. a lot of their infra are now destroyed by russia, they will need huge sum of money to rebuild the infra, hopefully they wont fall into economy trap.

what we are see so far are the number of russin helicopters, tanks and trucks got taken down, we have not seen% the devastating effect of the Ukraine properties and infra got destroyed by russian's indiscriminate bombing. 

Edited April 23, 2022 by Ct3833

[Playtime]

2 hours ago, Ct3833 said:

there are at least a few differences.

1. Both Germany and Japan were quite strong then, they were able to recouped after WW2 very quickly. Ukraine is different, there were already quite poor before russia invasion, the current war will sink them deeper into poverty,  getting money to run the nation is already tough, can forget about finding money to go into growing industry and technology evolution.

2. Technology were not as advance in the 40s, both Germany and Japan were able to focus and find breakthrough in engineering, automotive and electronic to bounce back very quickly. But in today's world, unless a country could find breakthrough in some area, it is very difficult to compete technology knowhow with economy power house like the US, Japan and China. 

3. a lot of their infra are now destroyed by russia, they will need huge sum of money to rebuild the infra, hopefully they wont fall into economy trap.

what we are see so far are the number of russin helicopters, tanks and trucks got taken down, we have not seen% the devastating effect of the Ukraine properties and infra got destroyed by russian's indiscriminate bombing. 

 

if ukraine loses... of cos all is lost.

but if she recovers... even without crimea... the oil and gas in eastern ukraine will be developed with the support of EU and America to replace Russia. thats why russia is insisting on taking eastern ukraine and give up kyiv. cos without the oil gas hold on EU, russia is done.

now russia mindef say they want entire southern ukraine too and take transnistria (moldova)...  this means destroying ukraine and threatening europe itself.

NATO and europe is waking up  seeing that the war in ukraine is actually also theirs hence weapons are now really starting to flow.

id say its not  a mortal blow to ukraine, it'll be set back for a decade or 2, but it'll recover, the entire EU and America will back it. 

but for Russia... win or lose in ukraine, its probably done. will be slow death to a hostile west and a predatory china.

 

[Sosaria]

3 hours ago, Ct3833 said:

there are at least a few differences.

1. Both Germany and Japan were quite strong then, they were able to recouped after WW2 very quickly. Ukraine is different, there were already quite poor before russia invasion, the current war will sink them deeper into poverty,  getting money to run the nation is already tough, can forget about finding money to go into growing industry and technology evolution.

2. Technology were not as advance in the 40s, both Germany and Japan were able to focus and find breakthrough in engineering, automotive and electronic to bounce back very quickly. But in today's world, unless a country could find breakthrough in some area, it is very difficult to compete technology knowhow with economy power house like the US, Japan and China. 

3. a lot of their infra are now destroyed by russia, they will need huge sum of money to rebuild the infra, hopefully they wont fall into economy trap.

what we are see so far are the number of russin helicopters, tanks and trucks got taken down, we have not seen% the devastating effect of the Ukraine properties and infra got destroyed by russian's indiscriminate bombing. 

The population appears to be hands-on and skilled, they should be able to re-build their lives. But you are right, from the start even before the war, Ukraine was one of the poorer nations in Europe with instability in their government, here there protest and remove elected officials, additionally corruption problem hampering their growth. 

[Bhtan]

@Playtime 
Is there oil and gas in eastern ukraine?  are you sure ? 
...or only crops and some out-of-date heavy industry

 

Edited April 23, 2022 by Bhtan

[Kb27]

Another 2 bites the dust

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3465606-ukraine-army-destroys-enemy-command-operations-center-eliminates-two-russian-generals.html

Ukraine Army destroys enemy command operations center, eliminates two Russian generals

 

The Armed Forces of Ukraine have destroyed a command operations center of the 49th Combined Arms Army of the Russian Armed Forces, eliminating two enemy generals.

Edited April 23, 2022 by Kb27

[Etnt]

8 hours ago, Sosaria said:

The population appears to be hands-on and skilled, they should be able to re-build their lives. But you are right, from the start even before the war, Ukraine was one of the poorer nations in Europe with instability in their government, here there protest and remove elected officials, additionally corruption problem hampering their growth. 

Nothing unites the people like a common enemy.

Many countries are doing it anyway, look no further than zhuguo.

[Kb27]

 

[Playtime]

8 hours ago, Bhtan said:

@Playtime 
Is there oil and gas in eastern ukraine?  are you sure ? 
...or only crops and some out-of-date heavy industry

 

Big ones in the east,  west (smallest) and off shore near Crimea. 

They finally got funding and issued permits to western firms and were about to start drilling off Crimea in early 2010s, which would have forecasted full production in early 2020.

Suddenly all the nonsense started. Now you can see why russia still want east and cut off Ukraine from the sea. 

O&G is supposedly about 40% of Russian state income. They got nothing else economically and population stats is very bad. Imagine if Ukraine even 50% replacing Russia as preferred supplier, its game over. Follow the $$$.

[yishunite]

This video damn funny... helicopter flare flare flare flare flare flare flare flare ... phew made it safe over water... then...

 

[Ender]

4 hours ago, Playtime said:

Big ones in the east,  west (smallest) and off shore near Crimea. 

They finally got funding and issued permits to western firms and were about to start drilling off Crimea in early 2010s, which would have forecasted full production in early 2020.

Suddenly all the nonsense started. Now you can see why russia still want east and cut off Ukraine from the sea. 

O&G is supposedly about 40% of Russian state income. They got nothing else economically and population stats is very bad. Imagine if Ukraine even 50% replacing Russia as preferred supplier, its game over. Follow the $$$.

Simi NATO made him angry or fed up, denazify, all excuses... This is likely the real reason of the  invasion.

[Bhtan]

@Playtime 
hahaha

[Bhtan]

Compare to  2003's  call for Iraq invasion ... today  news(real and fake) people get are so much more plentiful and  diverse.


 

[Throttle2]

3 hours ago, yishunite said:

This video damn funny... helicopter flare flare flare flare flare flare flare flare ... phew made it safe over water... then...

 

Dont understand what the chopper is doing.

deserves to be taken down

[Etnt]

46 minutes ago, Throttle2 said:

Dont understand what the chopper is doing.

deserves to be taken down

Announcing itself as a target, scared -pple cannot find it

[yishunite]

1 hour ago, Throttle2 said:

Dont understand what the chopper is doing.

deserves to be taken down

Maybe is rookie pilot? So many shot down liao I think their vets is very few left 

[inlinesix]

10 minutes ago, yishunite said:

Maybe is rookie pilot? So many shot down liao I think their vets is very few left 

Maybe searching for target 

[Thaiyotakamli]

7 hours ago, yishunite said:

This video damn funny... helicopter flare flare flare flare flare flare flare flare ... phew made it safe over water... then...

 

Maybe pilot listening to this in his spotify