Putin starts “military operation” on Ukraine

[Ender]

On 6/8/2023 at 10:08 AM, Ender said:

 

his long interview has nothing good to say about Russia MOD, Shoigu and Gerasimov.

 

[Volvobrick]

On 6/10/2023 at 3:47 PM, Ender said:

his long interview has nothing good to say about Russia MOD, Shoigu and Gerasimov.

 

He wants to be the saviour of Russia? Since he has all the solutions already. Got chance. 

 

Unless accidentally falls from window from high floor first. 

 

Edited June 10 by Volvobrick

[Ender]

 

Attacking a russian trench with humvee.  Grenade throwing have to be zhun. 

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[Ender]

On 6/10/2023 at 4:34 PM, Volvobrick said:

He wants to be the saviour of Russia? Since he has all the solutions already. Got chance. 

 

Unless accidentally falls from window from high floor first. 

 

He can hao lian, coz during the Russian winter offensive, only his wagner group made slow advance to finally capture bakhmut after almost 9 months.. Russia's onw army wasn't successful with their winter offensive.   SO I guess now he feels his is immune to putins tea and windows.

[Ho2786]

its a kiddy ukraine counter offensive.

need min 3 to 1 advantage to attack.

with 60,000 men against maybe 100,000 men, its like banzai charge.

 

 

 

[Ender]

So far the first 3 days, the only info for the counter offensive comes from Pro russia sources, due to opspec from the Ukrianian army.

Slowly i am beginning to see info from the Ukrianian side. They only release of info after a location is captured.  So far good news. Still watch your fav YouTuber for these info to be compiled and verified.

Edited June 10 by Ender

[Ender]

On 6/10/2023 at 10:42 PM, Ho2786 said:

its a kiddy ukraine counter offensive.

need min 3 to 1 advantage to attack.

with 60,000 men against maybe 100,000 men, its like banzai charge.

 

 

 

I don't think this counter offensive is to drive out every russians. Probably recaptured some lands at the donesk region, Bakhmut. And zaporizhzhia region towards Melitopol. 

[Kb27]

seems like Ukrainian forces has made some progress.

 

[yishunite]

On 6/11/2023 at 6:17 AM, Ender said:

So far the first 3 days, the only info for the counter offensive comes from Pro russia sources, due to opspec from the Ukrianian army.

Slowly i am beginning to see info from the Ukrianian side. They only release of info after a location is captured.  So far good news. Still watch your fav YouTuber for these info to be compiled and verified.

On one hand it doesnt seem as fast as last year Kharkiv offensive... though by that time Russians were pulling back

On the other hand it is much faster than Russian Bakhmut offensive.... can imagine how the Russians feel when they took months and thousands killed to capture a few km that Ukraine took back in 2-3 days

[Singa]

On 6/11/2023 at 6:23 AM, Ender said:

I don't think this counter offensive is to drive out every russians. Probably recaptured some lands at the donesk region, Bakhmut. And zaporizhzhia region towards Melitopol. 

when Ukraine cuts the land bridge for Russia between Crimea and Donetsk, the Russian will have no choice but to withdraw their minions at some point, again leaving behind their heavy machinery as the Crimean bridge will be targetted and rendered unpassable for their armoured vehicles.

[Singa]

On 6/11/2023 at 6:17 AM, Ender said:

So far the first 3 days, the only info for the counter offensive comes from Pro russia sources, due to opspec from the Ukrianian army.

Slowly i am beginning to see info from the Ukrianian side. They only release of info after a location is captured.  So far good news. Still watch your fav YouTuber for these info to be compiled and verified.

Russia wasted their winter offensive on Bakhmut, now the (war) initiatives return to the Ukrainian to choose and decide where  and when the offensive operations will happen. It's exam time for the Ruzzis, the defensive work then have done, the training of their own troops etc. wish them all the bad luck for their exam 😁

and they can't even count on the chicoms to support them, so sad.

[Kb27]

I could watch this whole day. 😀

 

[Kb27]

On 6/11/2023 at 1:49 PM, Kb27 said:

I could watch this whole day. 😀

 

They are saying it's a HIMARS kill with M30A1 rocket, airburst, 180k tungsten balls, good for killing soft targets. That truck looks intact, but it won't be able to move anymore. The tungsten balls would have killed the engine and anything that has no hard armour.

[Kb27]

this is funny 

 

[Ender]

Russian shelling of civilians and rescue workers, now experienced by UN personnel. Just kick russia out of UN, since their target includes UN personnel.

 

 

[Playtime]

On 6/11/2023 at 1:11 PM, Singa said:

when Ukraine cuts the land bridge for Russia between Crimea and Donetsk, the Russian will have no choice but to withdraw their minions at some point, again leaving behind their heavy machinery as the Crimean bridge will be targetted and rendered unpassable for their armoured vehicles.

Losing Crimea means losing the naval base and control of the black sea. Plus entry to azov sea. Worse than losing Afghanistan,  that already caused the downfall of USSR.

Imo... unless absolutely no choice,  Ukraine will choose to shut the railway cos it can bring in huge Russian military supplies, but will rather keep the vehicle portion of the  bridge open as a exit route for not just the Russian army,  but also for the huge number of Russian settlers to leave. Ukraine don't want to have so many Russian citizens stay there and be a repeated future problem. 

But at the same time, if Ukraine land forces don't enter Crimea,  Russians will resort to using barges even if the bridge is fully destroyed because Ukraine will be hard pressed to attack Crimea through the tiny land bridge without serious losses.  

BUT... once Ukraine main force manages to enter Crimea, then all bets are off. Russian forces will be forced to leave or die there,  and once they leave,  Ukraine will completely destroy the bridge.

[yishunite]

On 6/11/2023 at 6:48 AM, Kb27 said:

seems like Ukrainian forces has made some progress.

 

I had hard time trying to tell if this is the same spot or diff spot:

But now I think is different spot... Ukraine counteroffensive seem to be punching some big holes already

[Singa]

On 6/11/2023 at 4:50 PM, Playtime said:

Losing Crimea means losing the naval base and control of the black sea. Plus entry to azov sea. Worse than losing Afghanistan,  that already caused the downfall of USSR.

Imo... unless absolutely no choice,  Ukraine will choose to shut the railway cos it can bring in huge Russian military supplies, but will rather keep the vehicle portion of the  bridge open as a exit route for not just the Russian army,  but also for the huge number of Russian settlers to leave. Ukraine don't want to have so many Russian citizens stay there and be a repeated future problem. 

But at the same time, if Ukraine land forces don't enter Crimea,  Russians will resort to using barges even if the bridge is fully destroyed because Ukraine will be hard pressed to attack Crimea through the tiny land bridge without serious losses.  

BUT... once Ukraine main force manages to enter Crimea, then all bets are off. Russian forces will be forced to leave or die there,  and once they leave,  Ukraine will completely destroy the bridge.

the rail part of the Crimean bridge was damaged by the blast previously, not sure if fully repaired.

the vehicular portion will need to be degraded to the point of unusable by heavy armoured vehicles, while allowing an escape route for the Russians (both civilians and troops). yes, I think escape route for troops as well, so as to demoralize the Ruszis and keep them thinking of desertion and escape via the bridge. the ukrainians probably don't want to corner them into a fight or die situation.

barges also have limited capacities and vulnerable to attacks, so yeah, good luck to those invaders who got stuck in Crimea at that stage.

Edited June 11 by Singa