Singapore Reckless Drivers XIII

[inlinesix]

26 minutes ago, Volvobrick said:

The stupid motorcyclist speeding 30 to 60km/h above speed limits and contributing to the accident only got composite fine instead of revoking his license? 

No wonder so many (drivers included) still speeding without worries. 

 

Driver got fine. Not motorcyclist

[Beehive3783]

11 hours ago, Atonchia said:

https://mothership.sg/2022/12/man-fined-5000-accident-daughter/

He should get a longer punishment.

Why son and 51 days old daughter not secure in car seats?

His own daughter died. The guilt and remorse is more than enough punishment for him for the rest of his life.

[Beehive3783]

2 hours ago, Volvobrick said:

The stupid motorcyclist speeding 30 to 60km/h above speed limits and contributing to the accident only got composite fine instead of revoking his license? 

No wonder so many (drivers included) still speeding without worries. 

 

If you look at it objectively:

M/C: speeding, going straight on main road, right of way

Car: stationary, turning right, must yield to oncoming traffic

Situation 1: car started turning without green arrow while light still in M/C favour, can you honestly fault the M/C for contributing to the accident even if he was speeding? At most he gets a speeding ticket. Even if it comes to insurance claims, the car will take more than 80% liability.

Situation 2: car started turning with green arrow on in his favour, M/C failed to stop in time or beat the red light and smashed into the car. This is the situation where the M/C will be penalized. Where the video recording of this situation is available, the M/C will probably get a ticket for careless/reckless riding, speeding and beating red light.

[Steptronic]

15 minutes ago, Beehive3783 said:

If you look at it objectively:

M/C: speeding, going straight on main road, right of way

Car: stationary, turning right, must yield to oncoming traffic

Situation 1: car started turning without green arrow while light still in M/C favour, can you honestly fault the M/C for contributing to the accident even if he was speeding? At most he gets a speeding ticket. Even if it comes to insurance claims, the car will take more than 80% liability.

Situation 2: car started turning with green arrow on in his favour, M/C failed to stop in time or beat the red light and smashed into the car. This is the situation where the M/C will be penalized. Where the video recording of this situation is available, the M/C will probably get a ticket for careless/reckless riding, speeding and beating red light.

When someone sees no one at (far) sight and starts to turn, suddenly a super bike or car which was never at sight appears in front at 150 km/hr. Speed limits are for reason. Many do not want to understand.

Another very bad practice is we need to be lower than the speed limit at junctions (at least ease of the gas pedal), but most of us speed at junctions.

[Beehive3783]

1 minute ago, Steptronic said:

When someone sees no one at (far) sight and starts to turn, suddenly a super bike or car which was never at sight appears in front at 150 km/hr. Speed limits are for reason. Many do not want to understand.

Another very bad practice is we need to be lower than the speed limit at junctions (at least ease of the gas pedal), but most of us speed at junctions.

For the points you bring forth, I can only say that those who do, probably learnt it the hard way. 

[DOBIEMKZ]

On 12/7/2022 at 8:46 AM, ER-3682 said:

All rushing Home for Dinner.?Tyres must not use "T" Brand,use "M or B" Brands best..Brakes need to upgrade the Ceramics Brakes...but just say..follow too close..none of the above really work.

But T-brand tyre company said that their tyres are World-Class Quality leh!
So probably the last car was on W-brand tyres instead.😁

[Beanoyip]

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[PSA]. Accident on CTE (towards AYE) after AMK Ave 5 Exit. Avoid lanes 1, 2 and 3

How the fark drivers drive these days until 3 lanes can close 

[ER-3682]

2 hours ago, inlinesix said:

Driver got fine. Not motorcyclist

The Motorcyclist also got Charged for Speeding.

[ER-3682]

9 minutes ago, DOBIEMKZ said:

But T-brand tyre company said that their tyres are World-Class Quality leh!
So probably the last car was on W-brand tyres instead.😁

Actually for the Price,already no comments...if "T" Brand Tyres as good as "M" or "B" Brands...then nobody will fork out $$$ to buy them.

[Volvobrick]

29 minutes ago, Beehive3783 said:

If you look at it objectively:

M/C: speeding, going straight on main road, right of way

Car: stationary, turning right, must yield to oncoming traffic

Situation 1: car started turning without green arrow while light still in M/C favour, can you honestly fault the M/C for contributing to the accident even if he was speeding? At most he gets a speeding ticket. Even if it comes to insurance claims, the car will take more than 80% liability.

Situation 2: car started turning with green arrow on in his favour, M/C failed to stop in time or beat the red light and smashed into the car. This is the situation where the M/C will be penalized. Where the video recording of this situation is available, the M/C will probably get a ticket for careless/reckless riding, speeding and beating red light.

60km/h above speed limits should not be a simple speeding ticket.  Definitely the M/C bears some responsibilities.  I am not saying the car driver is 100% innocent, or the M/C 100% at fault, but I am saying that the light punishments for speeding way above speed limits (and especially when it contributed to a fatal accident) serves no deterrent value.  Other drivers/MC will continue to think that as long as they have right of way they can speed pass traffic junctions.

(This case is very similar to the female undergraduate dying at Commonwealth junction. Both parties are at fault.)

[inlinesix]

13 minutes ago, Volvobrick said:

60km/h above speed limits should not be a simple speeding ticket.  Definitely the M/C bears some responsibilities.  I am not saying the car driver is 100% innocent, or the M/C 100% at fault, but I am saying that the light punishments for speeding way above speed limits (and especially when it contributed to a fatal accident) serves no deterrent value.  Other drivers/MC will continue to think that as long as they have right of way they can speed pass traffic junctions.

(This case is very similar to the female undergraduate dying at Commonwealth junction. Both parties are at fault.)

"He had the right of way, but he was estimated to be going at 97kmh to 129kmh, according to a post-accident report by the Health Sciences Authority (HSA). The speed limit on both roads is 70kmh."

It is likely it is "insufficient proof" to charge motorcyclist for excessive speeding.  TP likely issue composite fine.

 

Edited December 8, 2022 by inlinesix

[ER-3682]

2 hours ago, inlinesix said:

Driver got fine. Not motorcyclist

This Motorcycle must be a very heavy powerful Bike,hit a Car can killed the Baby inside.

[inlinesix]

Just now, ER-3682 said:

This Motorcycle must be a very heavy powerful Bike,hit a Car can killed the Baby inside.

Baby likely not secured properly in baby seat.  51 days old baby skull is very soft.

[DOBIEMKZ]

On 11/29/2022 at 11:56 AM, Jellandross said:

I didn't run away from accident sir. I actually stopped my car and went for a jog.

 

 

Might be the driver was desperately urgent to take a dump; there's a big field there..😁

[commonjunks]

2 hours ago, Beehive3783 said:

If you look at it objectively:

M/C: speeding, going straight on main road, right of way

Car: stationary, turning right, must yield to oncoming traffic

Situation 1: car started turning without green arrow while light still in M/C favour, can you honestly fault the M/C for contributing to the accident even if he was speeding? At most he gets a speeding ticket. Even if it comes to insurance claims, the car will take more than 80% liability.
If someone is riding almost double the road speed limit then it doesn't matter much if person who was trying to execute turn and road was clear while he was doing it. It would be too late till he realize that someone wearing flash cape is there although it was clear.
MORAL of the story, never move even nothing is coming "unless you can see far ahead, very far".

Situation 2: car started turning with green arrow on in his favour, M/C failed to stop in time or beat the red light and smashed into the car. This is the situation where the M/C will be penalized. Where the video recording of this situation is available, the M/C will probably get a ticket for careless/reckless riding, speeding and beating red light.

I am glad LTA is adding more and more red arrow on junctions but they should change it to intelligent than static timing.
It is double edge sword near my place, they installed arrow (allow only 4-5 vehicle to turn right at a time) but those b**tard coming strait (especially at night) keep on driving  while their light turned red and it only allow 2-3 vehicle turn right and then red with 5-6 move vehicles waiting for next turn.

[commonjunks]

5 hours ago, inlinesix said:

Driver got fine. Not motorcyclist

ST noted that Saharuddin was issued a composition fine for speeding.

15 hours ago, Atonchia said:

https://mothership.sg/2022/12/man-fined-5000-accident-daughter/

He should get a longer punishment.

Why son and 51 days old daughter not secure in car seats?

There are score of parents allowed their kids to sit in without any restraint. Not only they don't use children seat but their kids are jumping around while they are driving. Sometime seen kids popping their head near gear box from back seat, ebreak=flying to windscreen.

[Beanoyip]

Child seat not enforced is it? Seen so many vehicles with kids in there, no child seat at all.

1 hour ago, commonjunks said:

ST noted that Saharuddin was issued a composition fine for speeding.

There are score of parents allowed their kids to sit in without any restraint. Not only they don't use children seat but their kids are jumping around while they are driving. Sometime seen kids popping their head near gear box from back seat, ebreak=flying to windscreen.

 

[commonjunks]

40 minutes ago, Beanoyip said:

Child seat not enforced is it? Seen so many vehicles with kids in there, no child seat at all.

 

There was a time when SPF came very hard on fines but then after that back to normal.
If too much enforcement then people will complain POLICE STATE, but again there are arswipes who leave drink cans in lift after drinking rather throwing in garbage bin (knowing there is lift camera) how you expect people to follow law when they know police will not be always there to catch them.
You can stand at any junction and see how many car would pass with kids and not properly secured, again more enforcement is needed to keep people in check.