So is MSG good or bad for health?

[Lala81]

8 minutes ago, Etnt said:

If you wan artificial msg free in your jp food (still got natural occurring one hor) just look for 无添加（化学调味）。

Haha look at the various japanese names for MSG.

They have 6 different names to "mask" the presence of MSG in virtually every commercial pre-made sauce/dressing. 

Albeit their own culture has a lot of ways to boost umami. Whether it's fermented stuff like soya/miso, Kelp, dried bonito etc.

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MSG is most commonly referred to in Japanese as the amino acid "chyoumi-ryou (amino-san)" (調味料 (アミノ酸)). In order to identify whether a product has MSG, look for the bolded characters in the ingredients list of Japanese products. It is referred to “amino-acid” after theAji no Motoseasoning that was invented by Ikeda.MSG can also be found listed as the following: 

Kagaku choumi-ryou(化学調味料)

Kachou (化調)

Gurutaminnsann natoriumu(グルタミン酸ナトリウム)

Gurusou(グル曹)

Umami choumi-ryou (うまみ調味料)

For MSG-free products look forkagaku choumiryou mu tenn ka (化学調味料無添加) ormutennka (無添加) on product packaging. 

 

 

[Jamesc]

I never cook with MSG or salt.

I don't see a need for it.

[Jamesc]

Whoever need to cook with MSG

is a lousy cook.

[Lala81]

1 hour ago, PSP415 said:

That's why some kiddos no like homemade meals, prefer outside food. 

Cos homemade meals tend to be sans MSG or lesser amount. My friendly neighbour swears by DASHI powder. Says its better than MSG. Me no complaints cos all the food she prepared is heavenly best. 

😂😋😋

Dashi powder i also have. Albeit i not really used it after buying. 
It also has ground up dried bonito and other stuff, so yes she's right.

Bought it as an alternative to chicken cube stocks in case my wife wants to boil some stuff for the kids from scratch.
Her understanding of cooking is superficial, so she just sticks to recipe.

[Lala81]

12 minutes ago, mersaylee said:

MSG is good for those who donno how to cook well but have to cook for a living or to feed the herd at home 😁

That's why it was popularised by housewives who cook 2 meals a day. 

My MIL uses mushroom seasoning powder. If i have to cook so often, i may also use such aids more. Though i am more knowledgeable about food science and can boost umami without using this.

But glutamate is present in fish sauce, soy sauce, tomatoes, mushrooms etc etc etc. 

Before ketchup got b**tardised by Heinz to become what it is today, ketchup is actually fermented fish sauce in the late 1800s to early 1900s. Similarly worcestershire sauce which is common among brits/americans is using fermented anchovies + some molasses etc. 

 

 

[Etnt]

For dashi, try this https://hyoshirosg.com/products/ available at isetan.

the ingredients are crushed up inside the pack so just boil it. Afterwards, if you wan, you can optionally use the contents inside the pouch to make fried rice.

I used to stock up at Tobu in tokyo until the local isetan has a permanent counter.

[Blueray]

my $0.02.

if MSG is more processed than regular salt, then I'd stick to salt.

long ago also assperts say butter bad cos fatty, and margarine is betterer. decades later say margarine bad cos highly processed (hydrogenated).

[Ender]

2 hours ago, 13177 said:

True, nocebo effect. Lol. Like what we aways say, ignorance is a bliss. If dont know, no scare no worry no feel sick. But if after knowing, then feel scare, worry and sick, even though it might not be the thing that trigger it.

Like those who always kenna headache when they are near antenna or wifi router. Don't know what EMF sensitivity. If they don't see the router or big attenna, then fine.

[Thaiyotakamli]

Uncle roger still alive and kickin

[mersaylee]

35 minutes ago, Lala81 said:

That's why it was popularised by housewives who cook 2 meals a day. 

My MIL uses mushroom seasoning powder. If i have to cook so often, i may also use such aids more. Though i am more knowledgeable about food science and can boost umami without using this.

But glutamate is present in fish sauce, soy sauce, tomatoes, mushrooms etc etc etc. 

Before ketchup got b**tardised by Heinz to become what it is today, ketchup is actually fermented fish sauce in the late 1800s to early 1900s. Similarly worcestershire sauce which is common among brits/americans is using fermented anchovies + some molasses etc. 

 

 

You should seriously consider quitting your gp role and be a specialist in nutrition with your own setup and sell your service to diet conscious tai tai with deep pockets...kaching kaching...🤑

they love to put lemons and cucumbers over the face and body anyway...maybe can also include mushrooms...truffle no less 😁

[Kb27]

2 hours ago, Lala81 said:

Some people have glutamate sensitivity. And also it's nocebo effect. If i tell u there's MSG in the food, people will think it makes them unwell.

Proven before in blinded tests.

 

I had an ex-colleague quite seriously affected by msg. When we go out for company dinner, she would insist a dish or so cooked without msg.

One time she took a bite of a vegetable dish and her face flushed red She would have difficulty breathing. Straightaway pointed to msg as the cause. Her immediate relief is a glass of coke. Dunno why, but that's how it affects her.

[Lala81]

1 minute ago, Kb27 said:

I had an ex-colleague quite seriously affected by msg. When we go out for company dinner, she would insist a dish or so cooked without msg.

One time she took a bite of a vegetable dish and her face flushed red She would have difficulty breathing. Straightaway pointed to msg as the cause. Her immediate relief is a glass of coke. Dunno why, but that's how it affects her.

Lol so can she explain how does the coke relieve the symptoms?

 

[Lala81]

7 minutes ago, mersaylee said:

You should seriously consider quitting your gp role and be a specialist in nutrition with your own setup and sell your service to diet conscious tai tai with deep pockets...kaching kaching...🤑

they love to put lemons and cucumbers over the face and body anyway...maybe can also include mushrooms...truffle no less 😁

"chin chai eat" advice also can also be a specialist meh? lol

[Kb27]

31 minutes ago, Ender said:

Like those who always kenna headache when they are near antenna or wifi router. Don't know what EMF sensitivity. If they don't see the router or big attenna, then fine.

I worked with VHF transmitter before. I'd sit near, maybe a metre as it's connected to a dummy load. A 150W transmitting into a dummy load and I get a serious headache. It's no joke.

A dummy load is sort of an anti-antenna, it absorbs the EMF instead of transmitting it. The load impedance is usually 50ohm and has to match with the transmitter.

Edited October 6, 2022 by Kb27

[Kb27]

11 minutes ago, Lala81 said:

Lol so can she explain how does the coke relieve the symptoms?

 

She can't explain, but she had found out how to deal with accidentally ingesting msg. All of us at the table witness the on/off effect. 😁

[kobayashiGT]

3 hours ago, Inlinefour said:

can you inform PMO to suck our money in moderation bo 🤑

When you ask ppl to suck you, you will ask to suck in moderation one meh? 

Suck money ah. Don't think too far. hahahaha 

[kobayashiGT]

5 hours ago, Fitvip said:

Including marijuana and other drugs?

Whichever your morale lies I don't judge. I don't support also. hahaha. 

[Kxbc]

I am not sure how many of you watch the cna video on msg. I watched it around 2 months ago and this is what I remember. 

Commercial Msg is made from casava, a kind of tuber. You can find many SEA desserts made from casava. 

Msg has approx 20% of sodium compared to the same quantity of table salt. Together with other umami components in msg, it lifts the flavour of food so you can actually replace some of the salt with msg. If you do that, your overall sodium consumption reduces which is a good thing because most of us consume too much sodium and thus, leads to high blood pressure and heart issues.

Note: Don't mix up sodium with table salt. Sodium is a component of salt. I believe recommended daily consumption is 2000mg which is the equivalent of 1 teaspoon of ordinary table salt. 

And umami exists in various foods, eg cheese, tomatoes, mushrooms, sea weed. 

 

Edited October 6, 2022 by Kxbc