Nissan Claims Toyota RAV4 Hybrid Fuel Economy Estimates Are Unrealistic

[kobayashiGT]

Source: https://www.motor1.com/news/653238/nissan-says-rav4-hybrid-economy-unrealistic/

Automakers are not above taking shots at each other for performance claims like real-world fuel economy. Most recently, Nissan took aim at Toyota's RAV4 hybrid indicating the fuel economy ratings on the popular small SUV are exaggerated. 

Case in point, the Nissan X-Trail e-Power uses a gasoline engine to recharge the onboard lithium-ion battery and gets an estimated 6.1 liters per 100km, or about 38.6 mpg. By comparison, the Toyota RAV4 uses a conventional hybrid system that delivers an estimated 4.7 liters per 100 km, or the equivalent of 50 mpg, a fuel economy increase of about 30 percent. 

Nissan indicates that the fuel economy differences between the two vehicles are not as far apart as the estimates suggest and believe the real-world performance is closer. "I think with the fuel economy, it's a tricky one. We'll leave it in your hands to do the real-world testing. But from a lot of the articles I've seen for RAV4 Hybrid, you can't get anywhere near 4.8 (liters per hundred kilometers)," says Aleksandar Pecanac, Nissan Australia's product manager for X-Trail.

Nissan goes on to claim that its X-Trail e-Power system delivers a superior driving experience. According to Adam Robertson, deputy director of the Nissan Technical Center in Europe, the X-Trail drives "More like an EV, and we know from our experience with EVs that customers love it." 

Robertson goes on to say, "EVs have the highest level of satisfaction for acceleration, and that's not just the outright performance for a car like the Porsche Taycan. That's all EVs. "We also know that traditional hybrids have the lowest satisfaction. We wanted to capture the customer experience that they really like and bring that in with e-Power." 

The Nissan X-Trail e-Power launched last fall in Japan and Europe as an electrified version of the Rogue. The automaker has not yet indicated if and when it will bring the e-Power version of the Nissan Rogue to the US. Currently, Nissan's US website only mentions the e-Power on the Nissan Leaf. 

[Soya]

Who cares? The rav4 drives like a typical Toyota. Good or bad, u decide.....

 

[ER-3682]

Nissan e-Power,some one said,long distance climbing like Genting could drain out the Battery before the Engine could charge it up..i wonder how true is it.?

[inlinesix]

3 minutes ago, ER-3682 said:

Nissan e-Power,some one said,long distance climbing like Genting could drain out the Battery before the Engine could charge it up..i wonder how true is it.?

I think it is somewhere inside Serena thread. Limp mode up Genting

Battery same size as Toyota Hybrid without engine connected.

Edited February 20, 2023 by inlinesix

[ER-3682]

Then Nissan will be nice for City or Short Distance with not so High Load & Speed Driving...not for Highspeed Long Distance driving.

[Inlinefour]

my friend asking power bank and cable included bo 🙈🙉🙊

[inlinesix]

1 minute ago, Inlinefour said:

my friend asking power bank and cable included bo 🙈🙉🙊

That’s worst than Limp mode

🤦🏻‍♀️

[kobayashiGT]

24 minutes ago, ER-3682 said:

Nissan e-Power,some one said,long distance climbing like Genting could drain out the Battery before the Engine could charge it up..i wonder how true is it.?

Erm. in therory, i think yes. in a higher torque driving setting like climbing genting, the power from the generator might not be able to charge faster enough for the battery. Do in trenches. there is half mountain in genting. go there rest abit charge charge abit then go up and casino! hhahaha. 

 

[Watwheels]

These 2 cars are rivals for a long time, like rivalry between wrx and evo. 

X-trail before this epower the cvt gearbox is crap, so are their lineup of other models, many in the US comprain after warranty the cvt gb in the Nissan cars up lorry. On the road here in sg you can overtake this car easily. That's why now Nissan is trying to get back market share.

Previously there was a thread that Nissan(US) placed a rav4 in their showroom so that buyers can have a comparison. I dunno if that has worked but I doubt it.

You got to think why Nissan is trying so hard.

[Mkl22]

Nissan used to produce good cars. Mixed with Renault and now produce shittier products. Losers always make up crap to smear the leaders. Toyota and Honda still tier1 Japanese manufacturers. Nissan, Mazda, Mitsubishi etc all one level lower. 

[D3badge]

For me, The only success from Nissan is GTR😂

[inlinesix]

37 minutes ago, kobayashiGT said:

Erm. in therory, i think yes. in a higher torque driving setting like climbing genting, the power from the generator might not be able to charge faster enough for the battery. Do in trenches. there is half mountain in genting. go there rest abit charge charge abit then go up and casino! hhahaha. 

As the battery is small and engine cannot charge as fast as the output, stopping half mountain also useless.

It is NOT PHEV

[kobayashiGT]

18 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

As the battery is small and engine cannot charge as fast as the output, stopping half mountain also useless.

It is NOT PHEV

haha. Just park and rev and charge the battery? 

[Ct3833]

37 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

As the battery is small and engine cannot charge as fast as the output, stopping half mountain also useless.

It is NOT PHEV

stop half way, switch on engine and let it charge lor, just make sure park somewhere that have no landslide . 😄

[Watwheels]

24 minutes ago, kobayashiGT said:

haha. Just park and rev and charge the battery? 

Have to make sure the petrol tank got fuel?

If you see where this is going, what's the point of the whole EV thing they are trying to sell?

I dunno, to me the epower system is still very reliant on petrol as the primary source of charging. Makes you wonder why they do it at all?

[inlinesix]

29 minutes ago, kobayashiGT said:

haha. Just park and rev and charge the battery? 

 

9 minutes ago, Ct3833 said:

stop half way, switch on engine and let it charge lor, just make sure park somewhere that have no landslide . 😄

As the battery is about 2kwh, maybe 10minutes is enough.

Once the road, it could be depleted in 5 minutes.

How fast the battery charge has nothing to do with engine rev

[Ct3833]

19 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

 

As the battery is about 2kwh, maybe 10minutes is enough.

Once the road, it could be depleted in 5 minutes.

How fast the battery charge has nothing to do with engine rev

interesting, when a driver press the accelerator pedal on the road, the electric motor will spin harder, so how to rev the engine when the accelerator pedal is not controlling the engine? i mountain tortise.

[inlinesix]

18 minutes ago, Ct3833 said:

interesting, when a driver press the accelerator pedal on the road, the electric motor will spin harder, so how to rev the engine when the accelerator pedal is not controlling the engine? i mountain tortise.

Nissan epower is the similar to BEV with range extender.

The only difference are no charging port and super small battery