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what planet is this guy living in??? The teachers my daughter's primary school EMPHASIZE keywords so much.... PSLE science today is just keywords. The marking scheme itself is keywords based... alternative answers... err are you going to risk it ??? 

PSLE can "show our moral character" ???? This guy really come across as full of ****

 

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On 3/28/2024 at 5:21 PM, Wind30 said:

 

what planet is this guy living in??? The teachers my daughter's primary school EMPHASIZE keywords so much.... PSLE science today is just keywords. The marking scheme itself is keywords based... alternative answers... err are you going to risk it ??? 

 

 

then ur dotter's sch is teaching the wrong way?

 

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guess they just have to make sure that cotton cannot harvest from sheep before launching of new syllabus 🙈🙉🙊

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tagging our edu minister @chanchunsing here, [email protected] 

so that he can see a parent's feedback

on why his dotter's sch is teaching one way

but yet the CM is saying its not just about that way

and then be labelled as a load of ?$WSX for sharing what do markers look out for in PSLE 🤧

 

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On 3/28/2024 at 5:48 PM, Theoldjaffa said:

tagging our edu minister @chanchunsing here, [email protected] 

so that he can see a parent's feedback

on why his dotter's sch is teaching one way

but yet the CM is saying its not just about that way

and then be labelled as a load of ?$WSX for sharing what do markers look out for in PSLE 🤧

 

Must also ask why got this issue in PSLE mathematics back in 2022. 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/psle-maths-algebra-full-credit-nan-hua-primary-forum-letter-seab-3131246

The examination board was responding to queries from CNA regarding a forum letter in Lianhe Zaobao.

The letter, which was published on Dec 1, was written by a group of parents of graduating Primary 6 students from Nan Hua Primary School.

The 11 parents said in the letter that their children had always scored 95 marks and above for their maths exams in school, or the equivalent of Achievement Level (AL) 1. 

But for this year’s PSLE maths paper, they were shocked to find that their children had scored AL 3, AL 4 or AL 5. 

“If a single child’s carelessness caused them to stumble on the exam, we have nothing to say. But when almost a third of the students in the class have a similar score gap, it’s hard not to be puzzled,” the letter read. 

 

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it's just PRIMARY school !!!

what the hell do you want from little kids other than they learn something ?

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On 3/28/2024 at 6:03 PM, noobcarbuyer said:

Must also ask why got this issue in PSLE mathematics back in 2022. 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/psle-maths-algebra-full-credit-nan-hua-primary-forum-letter-seab-3131246

The examination board was responding to queries from CNA regarding a forum letter in Lianhe Zaobao.

The letter, which was published on Dec 1, was written by a group of parents of graduating Primary 6 students from Nan Hua Primary School.

The 11 parents said in the letter that their children had always scored 95 marks and above for their maths exams in school, or the equivalent of Achievement Level (AL) 1. 

But for this year’s PSLE maths paper, they were shocked to find that their children had scored AL 3, AL 4 or AL 5. 

“If a single child’s carelessness caused them to stumble on the exam, we have nothing to say. But when almost a third of the students in the class have a similar score gap, it’s hard not to be puzzled,” the letter read. 

 

a school's prelim paper is never an apple to apple comparison to the actual paper in the first place.

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Keywords or in other words, technical terminology, is still important in a proper answer. Otherwise it can be hard for the markers to determine whether the student really grasped the concept or has a full understanding. Sure, they can use discretion or give benefit of doubt but this may affect marking consistency and uniformity among markers.

Teachers still emphasize keywords to inculcate good exam-answering practices right from the start. And also as insurance during high stakes exam like psle. In case there's a ngeow marker at least student can still be assured of getting good score with the proper keywords. More so if next time they use computer or AI-driven marking.

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On 3/28/2024 at 6:38 PM, Sosaria said:

Keywords or in other words, technical terminology, is still important in a proper answer. Otherwise it can be hard for the markers to determine whether the student really grasped the concept or has a full understanding. Sure, they can use discretion or give benefit of doubt but this may affect marking consistency and uniformity among markers.

Teachers still emphasize keywords to inculcate good exam-answering practices right from the start. And also as insurance during high stakes exam like psle. In case there's a ngeow marker at least student can still be assured of getting good score with the proper keywords. More so if next time they use computer or AI-driven marking.

exactly. This is what teachers in my daughters' are emphasizing. In school exams, no keywords no points. i am surprised this guy say completely opposite. Most schools are the same right?

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On 3/28/2024 at 6:59 PM, Wind30 said:

exactly. This is what teachers in my daughters' are emphasizing. In school exams, no keywords no points. i am surprised this guy say completely opposite. Most schools are the same right?

Don't know nowadays [laugh]

Mine finished with the psle before this AL thingy kicked in. That time still get points.

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On 3/28/2024 at 6:59 PM, Wind30 said:

exactly. This is what teachers in my daughters' are emphasizing. In school exams, no keywords no points. i am surprised this guy say completely opposite. Most schools are the same right?

I think you need to calm down, take a deep breath, and watch the video again.

The CM said: “Marking schemes don’t focus on keywords. Marking schemes focus a lot more on conceptual understanding”.

That means, even if the student doesn’t provide the keyword, it is ok. As long as the student demonstrates the understanding, marks are still given.

This is actually beneficial to the students as they are not penalized for not knowing, or stating the keywords.

He did not mention that keywords are NOT accepted in the marking scheme.

He is a school principal who had undergone rigorous criteria, training and experience to get to his position today.

I don’t think it’s proper etiquette for you to write off “this guy” as a load of <whatever you mean> just because you misconstrued the meaning of his words in your anger.

 

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On 3/28/2024 at 5:33 PM, Inlinefour said:

guess they just have to make sure that cotton cannot harvest from sheep before launching of new syllabus 🙈🙉🙊

so the keywords are cotton, harvest and sheep? got all 3 got marks? :D:D:D

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On 3/28/2024 at 8:59 PM, Theoldjaffa said:

I think you need to calm down, take a deep breath, and watch the video again.

The CM said: “Marking schemes don’t focus on keywords. Marking schemes focus a lot more on conceptual understanding”.

That means, even if the student doesn’t provide the keyword, it is ok. As long as the student demonstrates the understanding, marks are still given.

This is actually beneficial to the students as they are not penalized for not knowing, or stating the keywords.

He did not mention that keywords are NOT accepted in the marking scheme.

He is a school principal who had undergone rigorous criteria, training and experience to get to his position today.

I don’t think it’s proper etiquette for you to write off “this guy” as a load of <whatever you mean> just because you misconstrued the meaning of his words in your anger.

 

Err.. I understand perfectly well that he is saying. U need to understand what I am saying…. Since when did I say keywords are not accepted???? I said no keywords no points, ie keywords are essential for marks to be given and are heavily emphasized in school. 

I am saying the school marking schemes focus on keywords. No one focus on conceptual understanding, maybe his neighbourhood school does what he says but I wonder how well his students fair in science psle if they don’t focus on key words…

I don’t think who he is matters at all as to whether what he is saying is *** . 

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Btw, I know this very well because three years ago my daughter pri6 prelim science mark was 70/100… psle was 2 months away and I had to learn primary school science and tuition her. Her problem was she phrase everything her own way, no keywords. I reviewed her school marking schemes in depth. Primary science is highly structured with fixed words u need to use. 

 

She got A* in the end for science so I know keywords work. 

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I am personally close to a teacher in a primary school and I have many friends who have been teaching for more than 30 years.
 

Even in parents group chats..my juniors show them to me sometimes.. from the way I see their msgs.. yeah “know-it-all” parents are aplenty.

These parents think they are always right. The school is fked up. The teachers are lousy. Never inward looking, always blaming others and the system.

I got to know another today here, and it only serves as a lesson for my grandson to not become someone like that when he becomes a parent.

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On 3/28/2024 at 5:21 PM, Wind30 said:

 

what planet is this guy living in??? The teachers my daughter's primary school EMPHASIZE keywords so much.... PSLE science today is just keywords. The marking scheme itself is keywords based... alternative answers... err are you going to risk it ??? 

PSLE can "show our moral character" ???? This guy really come across as full of ****

 

Yup with reference to science, its total nonsense, fixated on using key words, pwui lah, they should just go f**k themselves as teachers if they cant fight the system that they are suppose to represent.   The more important thing is that the students have learnt and understood the concepts and theories. If they are able to use other words to answer the question, its even better as it shows true understanding.   

 

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