RadX Moderator January 17 Share January 17 On 1/17/2025 at 2:23 PM, Chipsahoy8919 said: @Tohto Thanks for chipping in as a fellow EV owner. You are right on about the 'better than paper' energy consumption of EVs, which while some may say is due to the fact that your EV is new (well, same logic can be applied to ICE & Hybrids as well), my EV fuel consumption is averaging at 5km/kwh, better than the claimed 4.66 km/kwh. And the perk of EVs (which goes against traditional ICE ingrained mindset) is that the more you drive, the more you save! As an ex-ICE user, petrol costs is definitely the biggest recurring denominator (after car depreciation) when it comes to car utilisation, and this is why most cars are going hybrid + PHEV now as the next evolution of the venerable ICE cars. So, it is not unusual for the thought process to only use the car when really necessary, either to save petrol costs or keep mileage low for warranty/resale value. Thus, it is not a stretch to say that some may choose to walk, car pool, use public transport even when they have a car at their disposal. At least, I am guilty of such cost savings measure. In an EV, one can say that you can drive the car 'guilt-free' as the usage cost per km is really low and the counterintuitive fact is that the more you drive, the more you save! In city-stated driving where there are plenty of start-stop traffic, EVs are definitely easier to drive (with 1-pedal driving) and in the past, I would lament every red light stoppage or traffic jams as it meant burning up petrol needlessly, which is a lot considering I was driving a very fuel guzzling Alphard. Nowadays, I am sincerely more zen when it comes to slow traffic or stopping at the lights, knowing that nothing more than a few watts of electricity is being used. Furthermore, when you 'brake' the car in slow traffic (not really brake as you just let go of the accelerator to let the motor regen itself), you are adding range to the battery thus one can really take further comfort in that except for time loss, you are not really losing anything else. Just 3 years ago when I bought the Alphard, I had considered EV which was coming to the fore at that point in time. But lukewarm government support, hefty road tax, uncertain utilisation costs (like charging options), insurance and the usual EV myths (spontaneous combustion, no resale value) deterred me from taking the plunge. Like many of the EV owners here, I am now 100% converted in that EVs are the future of the automotive world. At the very least, I put my money where my mouth is (or fingers in this sense) by purchasing a $300k China made EV (again, the old me would say over my dead body for a $300K China product) but hey, even a Honda Accord costs the same amount now. Truly, one just needs to drive into Leng Kee to see this wave of transformation taking place. In the past, the showrooms are hogged by German makes. Today, at the junction of Leng Kee and Alexandra Road, the Audi building is giving way to Xpeng and this is the first thing any car owner sees driving into this famed stretch of car showrooms. Next to IKEA Queensway, Ford and Peugeot had lost their showroom to BYD and Denza. Recently, Eurokars (link: https://www.straitstimes.com/life/motoring/eurokars-group-bets-big-on-mg-as-part-of-47-million-showroom-and-facility-revamp) is pouring $47 million into a new showroom for MG (another China brand). If one were to digest these news carefully, the Kwees and other automotive bigwigs have been in this game for the longest time. Does the EV (or even China EV) naysayers really believe that these industry tycoons who have seen it all, will invest millions of dollars into what the anti-EV camp says are doomed investments? After so many years as a working adult, I can say 1 thing I learnt is that the rich will only get richer, thus I would hedge that these automotive moguls are latching on to the next big thing. In the future (or in my overimaginative figment of reality), I would hazard that the resale of ICE would decrease or have lower value as compared to resale EV. The next wave of car buyers are those in the 18s - 25s now, who have been exposed to tech use since young so like what Doug Demuro (car Youtuber said a few years ago), owning a Tesla is now trendier than owning a BMW. So take for you will, EVs are here to stay so for both EV and ICE camps, let's just enjoy our respective rides and respectfully 'agree to disgree' with facts/personal experiences. Yah dun talk abt road tax to me ccb lta 😂😂. .. ↡ Advertisement 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rskc 5th Gear January 17 Share January 17 On 1/17/2025 at 11:08 AM, Chipsahoy8919 said: @Sandpapa From first-hand owner experience (not some tia gong or EV doomsday non-EV owner naysayers), yes, definitely EV insurance premiums are higher than the ICE. For reference, for a driver profile with >10 years experience and 50% NCD, my very dinosaur age premium for the Alphard was at $735 while the EV premium is at $1500. It is made worst as a new EV car buyer as you are forced to take up the dealer in-house insurer thus one cannot source from the open market for a competitive quote. And it is made triple worst by the fact that the Sealion (an exceptional car by the way) is a new car thus premiums are always gonna be higher. However, it is not all gloom and doom. In terms of insurance costs, EV owner are most likely (at least in my case) required to pay more. However, once you broaden up the horizon, there are plenty of cost savings to be reaped for which the most obvious would be petrol cost. Thus, the best way to calculate is to determine your annual mileage, and base on your EV's km/kwh consumption, calculate the total charging costs for the entire year (can based on $0.6 per kwh) versus that of your current/comparative ICE car fuel consumption costs for the entire year. In most cases for an annual mileage of at least 15,000km, one should be able to get quite substantial savings. Once you are onboard the EV train, there is also a very satisfying smirk when you drive past those petrol stations and how those cartels will never ever earn a dime from you again. Today, I received a SMS from SPC about 23% fuel off. In the past, it would bring a grin to my face on the savings but now, I do not ever need to depend on their sympathy and pathetic discounts. I am more of a reader than contributor in this forum, and in my opinion, the 2 camps of ICEs versus EVs are very polarising and toxic. And there is plenty of misinformation on EV ownership where I even highly doubt that the contributor of those lopsided EV opinions are EV owners themselves to begin with. To them, 1. EVs combust spontaneously when you hit a curb/or get into fender bender accidents, 2. there is a high probability that your EV will BBQ itself every time you plug it in to charge - like illegally modified PMDs, 3. you get ZERO PARF at the end of 10 years - which is really nonsense as car ownership is looking at annual depreciation and not the PARF rebates, 4. insurance is x 3 or x 4 of ICE cars, road tax is a killer - true to a certain extent, so advice is stay below 250k kw motors, 5. you will never find an empty charging point in your lifetime - on the contrary, I always see empty chargers thus its really how one plan your charging schedule, if you can plan a holiday, planning a charging schedule isn't rocket science, 6. Tyres wear out after 6 months of use - will provide more personal user experience in time to come 7. You need to sell your EV at 50% loss after 1 - 1.5 years of use - again, I have presented the Atto 3 resale prices for direct reference in my 'Electric MPV thread' to counter these naysayers. I really cannot understand the rationale behind these EV naysayers. I mean if you are a genuine EV owner, then yes, you are qualified to say your piece as back up by true ownership experiences. But from the way they write, one can safely assume they are ICE owners. If so, why the continued barbs in EV related threads? Just let potential EV owners do their own research and due diligence. I really don't see any EV owners go on a tirade and whack ICE cars bigtime in ICE related threads so hoping for some peace and balance to the 2 camps. Hahaha. I happen to be in both camps so it qualifies me to speak for both camp. 😁 Got a Blue propeller ICE and a cheapo chinese EV at home. Cut the story short...come weekend outing, I ask wife and son, which car? Ans: EV pls. 😄 Wife now also prefers to drive the EV on a daily basis. I will "snatch" to drive the EV when I can too. Lol. 6 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartlander Turbocharged January 17 Share January 17 On 1/17/2025 at 5:04 PM, Chipsahoy8919 said: @Heartlander And this is why i am more of a reader than contributor. Avoiding situations like this which sooner or later degrades into name calling and the likes. I think the situation is that the EV naysayers actively and intentionally wades into EV related thread spewing out misinformation and advice like they have owned EVs for years to reliably give their 5 cents worth of opinion. I mean one needs not be an owner to give a measured and considered opinion, but from the way I see it, some are borderline 'scams' like saying EVs depreciate 50% in 1-1.5 years when no numbers in the marketplace can ever consistently substantiate such claims. I need not go further as my post earlier today already calls out many of the points that paints EVs negatively but are not 100% true. As I said, we do not see EV owners going actively and intentionally into ICE threads to try to convert non-believers to join them but the reverse is happening consistently in this forum thus just taking it upon myself to try and balance things out. A good forum should be mature enough to accommodate voices from both camps. and not operate like 95FM. Do you agree? When in any forum, learn to relax and keep your cool. Case in point there are many pap ccb kind of people in this forum and nowadays i just relax and give them space to vent their frustration and feel shiok. This does not mean what they say is true but no point arguing. If I talk abit, it does not balance things out and would invite response which might ruin my day. But this is not important anymore as I try to respect their opinions. Don't worry most of us have mellowed over the years and very hard to degenerate into name calling and such lah. If you think some people try to give wrong or misleading info, then just correct them to embarrass them lor. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadX Moderator January 17 Share January 17 Eh… shd be 90.5fm? ”only hear the good stuff!?😂” 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartlander Turbocharged January 17 Share January 17 On 1/17/2025 at 7:14 PM, RadX said: Eh… shd be 90.5fm? ”only hear the good stuff!?😂” Thanks for correcting for me and trying to embarrass me. Too bad my skin is very thick now. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadX Moderator January 17 Share January 17 … obviously some ppl can’t be taught. What was meant to be intent to put the right in place lest the individual be deemed ignorant turns to be a defensive stance agst the good intentions. oh well… education is wasted on such individuals 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeder Hypersonic January 18 Share January 18 (edited) On 1/18/2025 at 6:19 AM, RadX said: … obviously some ppl can’t be taught. What was meant to be intent to put the right in place lest the individual be deemed ignorant turns to be a defensive stance agst the good intentions. oh well… education is wasted on such individuals Hopefully their expiry date will be near soon.. waste of oxygen n water as everything is sexpensive nowadays… Why SMLJ PAP also in EV discussion 😂? To co-exist with this kind of easily triggered , iron teeth n haolian individual on a daily basis really not easy unless in nursing home yah… Really part and parcel of a greying society..haizzzz.. WTF.. Edited January 18 by Freeder 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beregond Supersonic January 18 Share January 18 I cannot verify this as i dun drive ev. But if its real. 👍 we are making progress. 5 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadX Moderator January 18 Share January 18 On 1/18/2025 at 9:44 AM, Freeder said: Hopefully their expiry date will be near soon.. waste of oxygen n water as everything is sexpensive nowadays… Why SMLJ PAP also in EV discussion 😂? To co-exist with this kind of easily triggered , iron teeth n haolian individual on a daily basis really not easy unless in nursing home yah… Really part and parcel of a greying society..haizzzz.. WTF.. The thick skin comes w a thick skull preventing learning or postulating a guarded approach until every damn thing is an affront to it whilst i tried to broker a peace narrative by making inroads , nothing changes For such stalwarts so be it! Ok end of advertisement back to ev o 2 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartlander Turbocharged January 19 Share January 19 Faster go buy Skyworth EV, can live 30 years longer as claimed by its founder in Beijing Auto Show in May/2024. "Skyworth cars can relieve high blood pressure, improve immunity, and eliminate habitual diarrhea. Since driving Skyworth electric cars, my high blood pressure, diabetes and other problems have been cured," continued the founder, according to a news piece by mydrivers.com. The company seems to really only have one model the Skyworth EV6 which was previously known as the Skywell ET5. Last year the car managed to score one star in the C-NCAP crash safety test. The EV6 is an all electric car and there is a PHEV version sold as the HT-i which features BYD‘s DM-i system. https://www.wapcar.my/news/can-fly-can-swim-now-this-china-brand-says-it-can-cure-your-diarrhoea-skyworth-ev6-coming-to-malaysia-in-q3-2024-ckd-79317 https://carnewschina.com/2024/05/09/buy-a-skyworth-ev-live-to-100-says-founder/ 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartlander Turbocharged January 19 Share January 19 (edited) In the video got feature the famous words from Skyworth founder. As well as other dubious claims that seems to tarnish the good name of Chinese EV makers. Take with a pail of salt. Come to think about it, these Chinese EV owners really should be ashamed of themselves for spreading untruth information that caused the EV car makers to sue them whenever they spread any issues on social media, to the tune of few millions RMB. Think the 3 letter company has been most eager to use this approach though it has been very well bahaved over here. Maybe is really untruths.. Edited January 19 by Heartlander 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkl22 Supersonic January 19 Share January 19 On 1/19/2025 at 2:04 PM, Heartlander said: In the video got feature the famous words from Skyworth founder. As well as other dubious claims that seems to tarnish the good name of Chinese EV makers. Take with a pail of salt. Come to think about it, these Chinese EV owners really should be ashamed of themselves for spreading untruth information that caused the EV car makers to sue them whenever they spread any issues on social media, to the tune of few millions RMB. Think the 3 letter company has been most eager to use this approach though it has been very well bahaved over here. Maybe is really untruths.. $$$ more important. Whatever to make a sale. You not in sales I gather….. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atonchia Supersonic January 19 Share January 19 Dream comes true for BYD. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/byd-tops-2024-new-car-sales-in-spore-first-for-a-chinese-ev-brand 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic January 19 Share January 19 When the power is cut, Honda can save your house and essentially 6 - 7 digits. Don't think a Tesla can lol. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic January 19 Share January 19 On 1/19/2025 at 3:28 PM, Lala81 said: When the power is cut, Honda can save your house and essentially 6 - 7 digits. Don't think a Tesla can lol. Some EV can be used to power electric water pump. Not different from home appliances Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic January 19 Share January 19 On 1/19/2025 at 1:58 PM, Heartlander said: Faster go buy Skyworth EV, can live 30 years longer as claimed by its founder in Beijing Auto Show in May/2024. "Skyworth cars can relieve high blood pressure, improve immunity, and eliminate habitual diarrhea. Since driving Skyworth electric cars, my high blood pressure, diabetes and other problems have been cured," continued the founder, according to a news piece by mydrivers.com. The company seems to really only have one model the Skyworth EV6 which was previously known as the Skywell ET5. Last year the car managed to score one star in the C-NCAP crash safety test. The EV6 is an all electric car and there is a PHEV version sold as the HT-i which features BYD‘s DM-i system. https://www.wapcar.my/news/can-fly-can-swim-now-this-china-brand-says-it-can-cure-your-diarrhoea-skyworth-ev6-coming-to-malaysia-in-q3-2024-ckd-79317 https://carnewschina.com/2024/05/09/buy-a-skyworth-ev-live-to-100-says-founder/ 這是圈$$$. Like that also believe 🤭 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic January 19 Share January 19 (edited) On 1/19/2025 at 3:46 PM, inlinesix said: Some EV can be used to power electric water pump. Not different from home appliances The electricity was cut already. Power cuts are pretty standard to stop any fallen power lines electrical fires making the fires worse. Got ever see SAF bring powerbanks to go outfield? Lol. Edited January 19 by Lala81 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic January 19 Share January 19 On 1/19/2025 at 3:49 PM, Lala81 said: The electricity was cut days ago... Battery size usually about 50kwh. That’s like my 3 days of consumption with air conditioning. Petrol stations may not functioning during fire ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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