Pennzoil Oil

[Tohto]

Any bros know any place selling Pennzoil oil locally. The below new oil from them seems very good.

 

http://www.pennzoil.com/#/motor-oil/pennzoil-ultra/

[Octopus]

Nice. The viscosity at 40deg.C is among the lowest, should be good for fuel economy. Only concern is the pricing. I hear Mx_trad_ing dropped Pennzoil Platinium due to increasing of pricing from source, I think this might be also quite expensive....

Edited March 4, 2010 by Octopus

[Darkblue]

Nothing to shout about...

 

Good / Better replacements are Amsoil, Mobil EP, Redline

[Nmnhnlm]

No point wasting your money on it. Get Amsoil instead. Its much cheaper and its good.

[Kr_toy]

No point wasting your money on it. Get Amsoil instead. Its much cheaper and its good.

Amsoil is only good for driving within speed limit, once you go NSH and cheong the oil will be gone case in no time.

[Tkseah]

Amsoil is only good for driving within speed limit, once you go NSH and cheong the oil will be gone case in no time.

 

what findings did u base this statement on?

[Deividz]

http://www.mycarforum.com/index.php?autoco...=11315#comments

 

Ask for Vincent.

[Nmnhnlm]

Amsoil is only good for driving within speed limit, once you go NSH and cheong the oil will be gone case in no time.

 

What car you drive and what oil you used? Any additional cooling like oil coolers etc?

[Chiangauto]

i can said it cheap and really value for money.

[Kr_toy]

what findings did u base this statement on?

 

Just from personal experience with toyota engine, the Amsoil is designed for long-drain but not for extreme duty. Also notes most Amsoil is not API rated due their additive pack, and their additive pack notoriously produce deposits when the oil is burnt off during extreme driving.

However if you always drive moderately, this oil is good for the long drain effectiveness.

[Octopus]

Just from personal experience with toyota engine, the Amsoil is designed for long-drain but not for extreme duty. Also notes most Amsoil is not API rated due their additive pack, and their additive pack notoriously produce deposits when the oil is burnt off during extreme driving.

However if you always drive moderately, this oil is good for the long drain effectiveness.

 

Most Amsoil, except for their group 3 XL series oil. The fully synthetic series are mostly PAO base oil, I had seen lab experiment posted on internet where PAO does leave deposit as compared to ester base oil when burnt off, but I don't think such extreme condition exist in a engine environment for it to leave deposit.

 

Anyway, just curious which Toyota extreme duty vehicle you refering to?

[Trex101]

Just from personal experience with toyota engine, the Amsoil is designed for long-drain but not for extreme duty. Also notes most Amsoil is not API rated due their additive pack, and their additive pack notoriously produce deposits when the oil is burnt off during extreme driving.

However if you always drive moderately, this oil is good for the long drain effectiveness.

 

Amsoil is designed for both long drain and extreme duty,

 

example is their SSO series which is design to last 28k km under severe condition yet have a Four-Ball Wear Test (extreme pressure additives) of 4.06mm with a Noack Volatility of 8.65%. This oil even met Honda HTO-06 spec, extreme heat stability for Honda turbo engine.

 

This is an old test using the lower end Amsoil ATM 10w30, API sequence IIIF

http://www.amsoil.com/performancetests/API...ceIIIFTest.aspx

 

The greatest overall load concentration and stress are placed on the piston skirts and rings on the thrust sides of the pistons as they move down, contributing to heavier deposits than the anti-thrust sides. Even after being subjected to the Sequence IIIF test for three times the standard test length, the pistons (above) lubricated by AMSOIL 10W-30 Motor Oil show minimal deposits and varnish. In fact, upon close inspection, the original piston machine markings are still visible on both sides of the pistons. This superior protection provided by AMSOIL Motor Oils extends the lives of both old and new vehicles, even in severe driving conditions.

 

What you claim that Amsoil additive pack notoriously produce deposits when the oil is burnt off during extreme driving is simply not true, perhaps you may want to include some link, research or documentation to support your claim?

Edited March 15, 2010 by Trex101

[Kr_toy]

Amsoil is designed for both long drain and extreme duty,

 

example is their SSO series which is design to last 28k km under severe condition yet have a Four-Ball Wear Test (extreme pressure additives) of 4.06mm with a Noack Volatility of 8.65%. This oil even met Honda HTO-06 spec, extreme heat stability for Honda turbo engine.

 

This is an old test using the lower end Amsoil ATM 10w30, API sequence IIIF

http://www.amsoil.com/performancetests/API...ceIIIFTest.aspx

 

 

 

The greatest overall load concentration and stress are placed on the piston skirts and rings on the thrust sides of the pistons as they move down, contributing to heavier deposits than the anti-thrust sides. Even after being subjected to the Sequence IIIF test for three times the standard test length, the pistons (above) lubricated by AMSOIL 10W-30 Motor Oil show minimal deposits and varnish. In fact, upon close inspection, the original piston machine markings are still visible on both sides of the pistons. This superior protection provided by AMSOIL Motor Oils extends the lives of both old and new vehicles, even in severe driving conditions.

 

What you claim that Amsoil additive pack notoriously produce deposits when the oil is burnt off during extreme driving is simply not true, perhaps you may want to include some link, research or documentation to support your claim?

 

The ATM is different from SSO and ASM on the add pack, that is why they never publish the test for extreme duty on ASM and SSO.

4 ball wear does not mean anything for burnt off oil, and most EP additive is not ashless when it is burnt off.

If you think SSO has no such issue, please provide info what EP they use to get such good 4 ball wear test.

[TangoElite]

Amsoil is only good for driving within speed limit, once you go NSH and cheong the oil will be gone case in no time.

 

 

got to agree with you on this

 

I am on Amsoil now, previously on KIC

immediately after the switch over, felt Amsoil much smoother and quiet and FC improve, probably bcos i switch from 5w30 to 0w30.... (theoretically shouldnt have much difference as viscosity still the same... only cold start different.)

 

 

however honey moon period over very soon, after 5k mileage and lots of high revs, i feel that Amsoil deteriorates a lot already. (KIC always felt consistent throughout, from immediately after changing, all the way to 10k interval up. yet KIC recommends 8k change, will amsoil states their oil can use up to 25k!!)

 

thinking of trying redline for next servicing

 

btw which oil would you recommend for NA 1.8 engine but with very frequent high revs??

 

 

 

[Kr_toy]

got to agree with you on this

 

I am on Amsoil now, previously on KIC

immediately after the switch over, felt Amsoil much smoother and quiet and FC improve, probably bcos i switch from 5w30 to 0w30.... (theoretically shouldnt have much difference as viscosity still the same... only cold start different.)

 

 

however honey moon period over very soon, after 5k mileage and lots of high revs, i feel that Amsoil deteriorates a lot already. (KIC always felt consistent throughout, from immediately after changing, all the way to 10k interval up. yet KIC recommends 8k change, will amsoil states their oil can use up to 25k!!)

 

thinking of trying redline for next servicing

 

btw which oil would you recommend for NA 1.8 engine but with very frequent high revs??

Motul 300V/Redline should be more suitable for you but Redline is also not for extended drain as well

[TangoElite]

Motul 300V/Redline should be more suitable for you but Redline is also not for extended drain as well

 

 

thanks, will try it out

 

i dont need extended drain, as long can last 10k without deteriorating good enough for me

[Octopus]

I am on Amsoil now, previously on KIC

immediately after the switch over, felt Amsoil much smoother and quiet and FC improve, probably bcos i switch from 5w30 to 0w30.... (theoretically shouldnt have much difference as viscosity still the same... only cold start different.)

 

According to information from the internet,

 

KIC 5w30

40deg.C = 64.49 cts

100deg.C = 10.96cts

 

Amsoil SSO 0w30

40deg.C = 56.6cts

100deg.C = 10.3cts

 

This should explain the smoother and better FC? How much you purchase the KIC oil?

 

however honey moon period over very soon, after 5k mileage and lots of high revs, i feel that Amsoil deteriorates a lot already. (KIC always felt consistent throughout, from immediately after changing, all the way to 10k interval up. yet KIC recommends 8k change, will amsoil states their oil can use up to 25k!!)

 

I'm surprise SSO can deteriorate so soon? It should be top of the range from Amsoil....

I'm now on Schaeffer #9000 5w30, so far 7k km still feel nice. Perhaps I don't go high rev much.... Next on my list is Amsoil ATM and ASL, I already purchased.

 

 

[TangoElite]

I am on Amsoil now, previously on KIC

immediately after the switch over, felt Amsoil much smoother and quiet and FC improve, probably bcos i switch from 5w30 to 0w30.... (theoretically shouldnt have much difference as viscosity still the same... only cold start different.)

 

According to information from the internet,

 

KIC 5w30

40deg.C = 64.49 cts

100deg.C = 10.96cts

 

Amsoil SSO 0w30

40deg.C = 56.6cts

100deg.C = 10.3cts

 

This should explain the smoother and better FC? How much you purchase the KIC oil?

 

however honey moon period over very soon, after 5k mileage and lots of high revs, i feel that Amsoil deteriorates a lot already. (KIC always felt consistent throughout, from immediately after changing, all the way to 10k interval up. yet KIC recommends 8k change, will amsoil states their oil can use up to 25k!!)

 

I'm surprise SSO can deteriorate so soon? It should be top of the range from Amsoil....

I'm now on Schaeffer #9000 5w30, so far 7k km still feel nice. Perhaps I don't go high rev much.... Next on my list is Amsoil ATM and ASL, I already purchased.

 

 

I cant rem what price i got it... used to buy it at $95... then found a shop selling cheaper at $80...

 

u got better price than that?

 

 

yes i am surprised too. when i started to feel and hear the difference and deterioration, i thought it was my mind playing tricks on me,

until i read this thread, my suspicion is confirmed.... think Amsoil not really good for high revs....

 

but for low revs and low FC driving i believe it is a one of the best...