Electric cars

[Leafable]

I don't think you understand the complexity of charging points in a high density environment like Singapore and what it entails to design power infrastructures. If even say 20-30% of people start driving EVs at typical MSCPs the lines will have to be laid to supply additional power requirements to meet these charging points. The step-down transformer in your neighbourhood will have to be upgraded to cater to these requirements. A typical MSCP is not built to carry these power infra, let alone have provisions for charging points and payment facilities.

 

There are also politics surrounding how the charging points work, how people pay for it, how to tax the usage. Very easy to say "just do it" but it will be a big, long discussion.

 

Charging a car battery up in 30 mins (32A) is no joke, it is like running several microwave ovens at the same time. A typical home plug is only 13A. Do you know the amount of *energy* required to move a vehicle? Fossil fuels have very high energy density and electric batteries are no where near that. And depending on the method used to generate power, it may or may *not* be more economical/green than traditional fossil fuel.

 

Building a power plant takes many, many years of planning. And for SG we need to decide where to put the next power plant. This means not building near people's home, possibly reclaiming land, building the infrastructure required to carry and distribute the power.

 

Remember MSCPs from Punggol to Tuas will have to be equipped. Think about the scale of such a deployment -- it's not $100-200 per point, it's at least $500k-1m per MSCP.

 

Even if they roll out in small phases, it is likely that only a small town is selected and several reserved parking lots are selected at newer and more spacious MSCPs. Now what about those guys living in old estates w/open space carparks?

 

What about landed property? How to tax?

 

How about law & enforcement, and people camping at the side of a road and sucking on somebody's power, e.g. a coffee shop that is closed @ night?

 

You need to look further than one's own selfish desires and need. Planning something like this on a national level is not like plugging a car into your private home garage. If everybody starts doing that in our population density we will have power outages.

 

I'm not saying they *can't* do it, but I can be certain there's going to be a big project to plan, test, refine before anything practical happens. And likely there will only be a select group of EV adopters and we might end up like the old CNG project -- FAIL.

 

Yes I do agree that Singapore is a lot denser than London. Thats still not an issue to lay out the infrastructure. 20-30% people switch to EV is not gonna happend overnight just like that, unless the government give the current incentive to the public.

 

You dont have to think about how complicate it will be. All you go to do is to learn from others city and adapt to your own environment.

 

My friend here you are wrong about so call density of fossil fuel vs electric. Yes fossil fuel in a car vs electric in the EV is a lot denser than the batteries can hold its energy. However the density end here, a typical ICE car use as much as 80% of it energy to push all the moving part like valve, piston, crank, alternator, etc. The list is endless. And all you get is heat, only very small margin to push the car. Where EV use its energy to push the car directly with 1 gear forward and same gear backward. Way more simple than an ICE car.

 

I'm afraid this is not just 1 person desired or own selfish need. Its necessity now. The fossil fuel is not gonna last my friend, I sure you aware of that.

[Tohto]

During my recent travel to Shenzhen I took a ride on a BYD electric taxi from airport to city. I was actually very impress by the full electric operate car.

Due to the high torque from 0rpm, moving off from traffic light was so easy and it was completely quiet, except road noise.

I was quite suprise on how far the Chinese car manufacture has go on electrical car progress.

 

http://www.byd.com/auto/e6.html#p6

Edited September 20, 2012 by Tohto

[Deckbuild]

During my recent travel to Shenzhen I took a ride on a BYD electric taxi from airport to city. I was actually very impress by the full electric operate car.

Due to the high torque from 0rpm, moving off from traffic light was so easy and it was completely quiet, except road noise.

I was quite suprise on how far the Chinese car manufacture has go on electrical car progress.

 

http://www.byd.com/auto/e6.html#p6

 

If I'm not wrong, SMRT have a few buses from BYD running electric. I use to sell BYD LEDS product, quite an establish company, warren buffet is a huge investor in this company.

 

China is moving towards green at a very fast pace now due to their high pollution from factories.

[Clash016]

Electric car now a days is really been a big role now in the world for saving energy.In fact in Finland country i seen many people use to do electric car charging and

[Diegoyork]

I would also love to have electric car but I know it's quite expensive. Well, have you heard about lithium-ion batteries? I have read from one article that the lithium-ion batteries used in electric and hybrid vehicles are secure, but do have some fire risk related to them. However, brand new research may create a better battery that creates an extended driving range by replacing liquid electrolytes with a solid form.

[Batlim]

Toyota Electric Vehicle

 

IQ EV

[Batlim]

 

Electric CAM-AM ??

[Whizzy]

It looks like T-Rex rather then Cam-Am.

[Spring]

Nation wide Electric car programme to start in mid 2017:

 

 

SINGAPORE: The Republic is set to launch a nationwide electric car-sharing programme by the middle of 2017, with all HDB towns to benefit from the initiative by 2020.

BlueSG, a subsidiary of French conglomerate Bollore Group, signed an agreement with the Land Transport Authority (LTA) and Economic Development Board (EDB).

The programme, also named BlueSG, will see 1,000 electric vehicles being deployed progressively in Singapore, with the first batch of 125 electric cars and 250 charging points to be introduced in towns like Ang Mo Kio, Jurong East and Punggol by mid next year.

Under the agreement, BlueSG will operate the programme for 10 years and install 2,000 charging points for electric vehicles island-wide. Up to 20 per cent of these will be available for public use, LTA and EDB said. 

After this period, the Government will take over all charging points and make them available to the public, the authorities added. 

Speaking at the signing ceremony, Transport Minister Khaw Boon Wan said the programme would lay a foundation for the greater use of electric vehicles in Singapore.

"The programme will promote our car-lite and green-car vision," said Mr Khaw, adding that 2,000 parking lots would be set aside for the programme in each HDB town, and the CBD and key industrial areas.

"We have embarked on this electric vehicle trial because we see some potential in more widespread adoption of electric vehicles in Singapore. However, electric vehicles are not truly emissions-free," added Mr Khaw.

"The power they consume produces emissions at the power station, but most electric vehicles are quieter than conventional vehicles, and do not have tail-pipe emissions. This makes for a better living environment, particularly in a dense city like ours."

BlueSG is the first large-scale car sharing programme of its kind that will allow users the flexibility of picking up a car at the starting point and returning it at their destination, unlike the more conventional model where users have to return the car to its original pick up location, LTA and EDB said. 

LTA chief executive Chew Men Leong said the BlueSG programme will provide commuters with an additional form of point-to- point mobility, especially for trips where taking public transport or taxis may not be as convenient. 

"It will play an important role in our efforts to create a car-lite society, as car-sharing enables more people to have occasional access to the use of a car, without having to own one. At the same time, it enables us to move towards a greener and more sustainable transport system, by laying the foundations of a nationwide EV charging infrastructure to support wider adoption of EVs," said Mr Chew. 

LTA and EDB said Bollore Group was selected out of 13 operators that responded to a request for information exercise in December 2014 based on the quality of its proposal and its strong track record.

In partnership with EDB, BlueSG will also undertake new "high-value" economic activities and create about 250 jobs in the first five years of the programme, set up a Global Innovation Centre to undertake research and development work in the areas of mobility and energy management solutions and establish its Asia-Pacific headquarters in Singapore to oversee its e-mobility, energy management and system integration business for the region, the authorities said. 

- CNA/mz

 

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/nation-wide-electric-car/2918570.html

[Mockngbrd]

Tok so much still no incentive for ppl to buy electric

[Wt_know]

1/2 hr to charge to 100% ... too freaking slow

Edited July 1, 2016 by Wt_know

[Watwheels]

Tok so much still no incentive for ppl to buy electric

 

You want something that runs on electricity and got incentives? Got. Take MRT....

[inlinesix]

Tok so much still no incentive for ppl to buy electric

 

They talk about sharing only le.

[zipping]

https://www.techspot.com/news/72781-ferrari-building-electric-supercar.html

 

 

Ferrari is building an electric supercar CEO believes the time is right for a shift in the industry By Shawn Knight  on Jan 16, 2018, 4:28 PM

Ferrari, one of the industry’s premiere exotic car manufacturers, is planning to build a battery-powered supercar to compete with Tesla at the high-end of the market.

In a recent interview with Bloomberg, Ferrari Chairman and CEO Sergio Marchionne praised Tesla and Elon Musk for what they’ve done for the industry but said that it’s now “doable by all of us.” If there is an electric supercar to be built, he added, then Ferrari will be the first.

Indeed, after being skeptical of technological advancements related to alternative power and autonomy, Marchionne said he believes the time is right for a shift in the auto industry. The executive, who plans to retire in April 2019, estimates that by 2025, fewer than half the cars sold will be powered by traditional combustion-based engines.

Tesla in November announced a new version of its Roadster that it promises will be the fastest production car ever. The car will allegedly do 0-60 mph in just 1.9 seconds, hit 100 mph in 4.2 seconds and smash the quarter mile in just 8.9 seconds en route to a top speed of more than 250 mph.

If Tesla can deliver on those numbers, the Roadster could have no equal for a long time.

Marchionne also said Ferrari will introduce its first SUV – the fastest on the market – by late 2019 or early 2020.

Unfortunately, details on Ferrari’s first electrified vehicle aren’t yet known – and likely won’t be shared anytime soon. In the interim, we have to turn to homebrew projects like this 1987 Ferrari 308 to get an idea of what an all-electric Ferrari looks like in the flesh.

 

[Jamesc]

I have solved the range problem with EVs.

 

Its very simple really but no car manufacturer has thought about it yet.

 

It came to me when I remember playing with my remote control car when

 

I was young.

 

 

When the battery ran out I just changed it

 

 

So all we need to do is keep spare batteries at the petrol station and swap them out.

 

Problem solved.

 

 

 

 

[zipping]

https://www.techspot.com/news/73348-aspark-owl-electric-hypercar-breaks-sub-2-second.html

 

 

 

 

Aspark Owl electric hypercar breaks the sub-2 second 0-60 barrier Granted, it's a prototype and it was outfitted with slicks By Shawn Knight  on Feb 19, 2018, 12:40 PM

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=101&v=7H6uhtbwx1k

 

 

Tesla CEO Elon Musk late last year claimed the company’s second generation Roadster would be able to accelerate from zero to 60 mph in just 1.9 seconds (the Model S P100D sedan was able to do so in 2.28 seconds last February).

Many believed the Roadster was destined to be the first production vehicle to break the sub-2 second 0-60 barrier… and it still could be, but Tesla had better hurry up.

The Aspark Owl, a street-legal hypercar out of Japan, recently managed to lay down a sub-2 second 0-60 time and has the video footage to prove it.

As Jalopnik highlights, the Owl was able to accelerate to 60 mph in just 1.921 seconds in a recent test run. Granted, it did so on Hoosier racing tires (that aren’t legal on ordinary streets) and a burnout was conducted beforehand to heat the tires up and shed them of debris which is a standard practice. Nevertheless, a 1.921 second 0-60 is a 1.921 second 0-60 and that’s damn quick.

A few tenths of a second quicker to 60 mph may not sound like much but at this level, any improvement is incredibly difficult to achieve.

Aspark says it will continue to tweak its vehicle until the feat can be accomplished on street-legal rubber. You can hear the slicks struggling for grip in the test run; getting comparable grip on street-legal tires will be a challenge.

The company is planning a small production run of 50 units soon with each priced around $4.4 million.

 

Edited February 20, 2018 by zipping

[DACH]

422k for a Porsche electric car in Thailand..

Still what are the incentives here to buy an electric vehicle here? 

 

$422k Porsche up in flames as battery charging goes wrong

http://www.asiaone.com/asia/422k-porsche-flames-battery-charging-goes-wrong

 

Plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEV), which have been growing in popularity, suffered their latest high-profile casualty yesterday when a Bt10-million (S$422,000) Porsche Panamera caught fire while recharging its battery in Bangkok's Taling Chan district.

The fire also damaged the owner's luxury home where the vehicle was being recharged overnight.

AAS Auto Service Co, the authorised distributor of Porsche in Thailand, said the damaged car had not been purchased from the firm but from an independent importer.

 

The firm said it was not sure if the buyer had been advised by the seller about how to properly install and use the charging system.

 

The electrical cords, sockets and other equipment of the charging system of vehicles imported by independent firms may not match the specifications for use in Thailand, according to a company spokesperson.

As the authorised distributor, the firm has engineers certified by Porsche of Germany to install the system and equipment for recharging the plug-in hybrid vehicles which are powered by both electricity and petrol, but they are required to be plugged in at home overnight to recharge the battery, he said.

Police and firefighters were summoned at 6.30am yesterday even as the luxury sports car was already engulfed in fire with the flames reaching the nearby living room of the house.

Homeowner Natthawut Kritaya-ayanont said the drawing room and home-theatre system were badly damaged. The cost of repairs were estimated at Bt6 million.

He said his mother had bought the car last September. She had taken it out on Thursday evening for some errands and returned home at around 10pm. As per her routine, she plugged in the home battery-recharging kit and went to bed.

Natthawut said he heard an explosion at 6am when the family was still in bed.

They rushed downstairs to find the car ablaze and the fire spreading.

Porsche encourages Panamera owners to frequently recharge the battery with the home kit because the car's electronic components use a lot of power. The car was insured, Natthawut said.

Car specialist Pattanadesh Asasappakij, who also owns a Porsche plug-in hybrid vehicle, said several factors could have caused the fire.

"We still don't know the details of the electrical system so it is difficult to pinpoint the exact cause," he said.

However, Pattanadesh noted that if the vehicle had been purchased from the authorised importer - AAS Auto Service Co Ltd - they would have installed the charging box, which comes with a good level of safety systems.

"Apart from the charging system in the car, we must also consider the home electrical system as well as the size of the cables," he said, adding that in his home, the charging box was separate from the house's main board.

"I also use a larger diameter cable just to be sure. I've never had any problems, even when I've left the charging cable connected for days."

Pattanadesh said the fire could affect public confidence in new technology like PHEVs, but not for long.

"Thais respond to everything and this will be no different from news of smartphone batteries exploding. They'll be scared for a while before everything returns to normal," he said.

Edited March 18, 2018 by DACH

[kdash]

oops... not good for public perception... wonder whether is it Li Ion battery which is the cause?